Am I the only one annoyed that the adjective "indestructible" is the keyword instead of one of its noun forms - "indestructibility" and "indestructibleness"? I mean, sure, not all keywords are nouns ("trample" is a verb, for example), but "Creature X has indestructible" sounds kind of weird compared to "Creature X has indestructibility".
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of the change but it's still possible to deal with Thrun. It's GoST that should worry everyone since he's cheaper and hits harder.
Those colors didn't have access to clone effects anyways. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a red/green clone effect.
Kiki can't use his ability on legendary creatures, Splinter Twin is horrible to use as a clone for the opponents creature since the creature has the ability.
Some of the cards you listed require blue mana or are not "true clone effects".
So basically from the list cards that would interact favorably with legendary creatures potentially.
Am I the only one annoyed that the adjective "indestructible" is the keyword instead of one of its noun forms - "indestructibility" and "indestructibleness"? I mean, sure, not all keywords are nouns ("trample" is a verb, for example), but "Creature X has indestructible" sounds kind of weird compared to "Creature X has indestructibility".
No weirder than "X had flying" or "X has Intimidate"
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Oh no! the new rule make a handfull of cards more powerful than they originaly where? Betrayal!!
Is not like there's a banlist that deals with these sort of things, or house ruling, no no no. It's not like legendary hexproof creatures will get houseruled out and possibly banned in EDH.
This awesome new rule with tons of new potential must be rolled back to the previous, unintuitive, simplistic, flavor fail version, simply on behalf of keeping said handful of cards in check and using clones as kill spells..
Think back to the era of Big Jace. What was the BEST way to beat big Jace? Play little Jace, and either Jace first, or Jace follow up. Using PW's to beat other PW's has always been VERY important because there aren't a ton of ways to beat them. It's infuriating that Wizards keeps making changes to things that don't need to be changed. It's very annoying. They could have left it at you get to choose which one lives, but taking it that extra step and allowing both you and your opponent to have the same PW in play? That's absurd.
The other changes are negligible. The Sideboard change was actually long over due in my opinion, bringing it in tune with Limited is important, to prevent potential confusion.
If the legend/walker rule worked this way to begin with and then they changed it so both cards obliterate themselves immediately, I'm pretty sure people would be even more upset. I mean, look at it this way- Pretend tibalt was playable. Ha. Anyway, pretend tibalt was playable. And a tournament powerhouse. If we switched from the new way to the old way people would whine about how "the player who wins the die-roll wins the match" since he'd get his activation and you wouldn't.
I am 100% behind these changes.
As for Thrun and Geist, it's not the rules changes that are a problem, it was the stupid decision to make hexproof a thing that was a problem. "Players love all upside" mentality needs to go into corner and die.
Am I the only one annoyed that the adjective "indestructible" is the keyword instead of one of its noun forms - "indestructibility" and "indestructibleness"? I mean, sure, not all keywords are nouns ("trample" is a verb, for example), but "Creature X has indestructible" sounds kind of weird compared to "Creature X has indestructibility".
I'm still waiting for them to allow the words "are" and "is" to supplement "have" and "has". So something can say "is hexproof."
Kiki can't use his ability on legendary creatures, Splinter Twin is horrible to use as a clone for the opponents creature since the creature has the ability.
Some of the cards you listed require blue mana or are not "true clone effects".
So basically from the list cards that would interact favorably with legendary creatures potentially.
Think back to the era of Big Jace. What was the BEST way to beat big Jace? Play little Jace, and either Jace first, or Jace follow up. Using PW's to beat other PW's has always been VERY important because there aren't a ton of ways to beat them. It's infuriating that Wizards keeps making changes to things that don't need to be changed. It's very annoying. They could have left it at you get to choose which one lives, but taking it that extra step and allowing both you and your opponent to have the same PW in play? That's absurd.
The other changes are negligible. The Sideboard change was actually long over due in my opinion, bringing it in tune with Limited is important, to prevent potential confusion.
That WAS the best way to answer Jace. The new best way to answer Jace is to play one of your own and get value from your own. Before the first person to play Jace had a huge advantage because they got at least one activation and got to kill a Jace. Now the 2nd person to play a Jace isn't as far behind because they can get more than just a 4 mana Dreadbore.
It's this kind of lack of actual thought which is rampant in this thread. It takes just a LITTLE thought to see that playing your own Jace and getting to actually use Jace is significantly better than just playing Jace to kill theirs.
Played 4 games of EDH last night and decided to test out these rules. It was...interesting. Wasn't really game breaking or anything. But it did get annoying at times. 3 Lazav's on board at once was pretty stupid. Same with 2 Taimayo's. But nothing that made us all rage or flip any tables. Just another dynamic to play around. Of course this was a very limited test, 4 games in one meta.
Played 4 games of EDH last night and decided to test out these rules. It was...interesting. Wasn't really game breaking or anything. But it did get annoying at times. 3 Lazav's on board at once was pretty stupid. Same with 2 Taimayo's. But nothing that made us all rage or flip any tables. Just another dynamic to play around. Of course this was a very limited test, 4 games in one meta.
Glad to see someone say this with a little testing, since really that second-to-last sentence is exactly what it is.
I have missed triggers sometimes. It doesn't mean I think wotc should remove them from the game though.
I appreciate the honesty. But what I was getting at is that the basic philosophy of the IPG points to the fact that things like missing triggers is a common place occurrence even at the competitive tier of Magic. Missing a trigger is an easy thing to do so unless their is fraud involved there isn't a strict penalty.
The uniqueness rules comes up much less (with the exception of maybe Legends in Commander and Jace-on-Jace crime in Legacy) then missed triggers. Sure players should be aware of their own triggers, the creatures on their opponent's side of the board. However, Magic can often create both complex board states and complex interactions of the cards in your hand and the permanents on the battlefield.
It can be easy to miss a trigger and it can even be easy to forget when planning your plays for the turn that your opponent has the same legend that you have. Or heck even players can derp and forget about the legend rule as it exists now in those thought processes. I think this new rule does a good job at helping with this rule as it doesn't come up in great frequency in all magic games.
I am really angry about this change cause it means they are nerfing Kokusho which is not fair. Before this stupid rule you could cast Right of Replication and then kill all your opponents when all the Kokushos you make go to the graveyard but now only four Kokushos will go to the graveyard so it will not be as strong. They must be doing this on purpose because they are finally reprinting Kokusho and then Wizards pulls this rules crap. I am so upset about this! Why would they do such a mean thing to Kokusho!?!
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I am really angry about this change cause it means they are nerfing Kokusho which is not fair. Before this stupid rule you could cast Right of Replication and then kill all your opponents when all the Kokushos you make go to the graveyard but now only four Kokushos will go to the graveyard so it will not be as strong. They must be doing this on purpose because they are finally reprinting Kokusho and then Wizards pulls this rules crap. I am so upset about this! Why would they do such a mean thing to Kokusho!?!
Yep, you figured it out. Wizards is implementing a rules change that hugely impacts every single format because they wanted to nerf one very specific interaction in an unsanctioned format.
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Yep, you figured it out. Wizards is implementing a rules change that hugely impacts every single format because they wanted to nerf one very specific interaction in an unsanctioned format.
Yep, you figured it out. Wizards is implementing a rules change that hugely impacts every single format because they wanted to nerf one very specific interaction in an unsanctioned format.
Those colors didn't have access to clone effects anyways. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a red/green clone effect.
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Kiki can't use his ability on legendary creatures, Splinter Twin is horrible to use as a clone for the opponents creature since the creature has the ability.
Some of the cards you listed require blue mana or are not "true clone effects".
So basically from the list cards that would interact favorably with legendary creatures potentially.
Everything else requires things to go right works with only tokens or just clones itself.
Unfortunately for red/green both of those effects require a target which Geist of St. Traft and Thrun are very good at avoiding anyways.
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penetrates our facades, even the most
perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
Please tell me you've never missed a trigger. Never ever not once. Because unless you're that one person that has never missed a trigger...
Is not like there's a banlist that deals with these sort of things, or house ruling, no no no. It's not like legendary hexproof creatures will get houseruled out and possibly banned in EDH.
This awesome new rule with tons of new potential must be rolled back to the previous, unintuitive, simplistic, flavor fail version, simply on behalf of keeping said handful of cards in check and using clones as kill spells..
I just don't get this community at all...
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I have missed triggers sometimes. It doesn't mean I think wotc should remove them from the game though.
Think back to the era of Big Jace. What was the BEST way to beat big Jace? Play little Jace, and either Jace first, or Jace follow up. Using PW's to beat other PW's has always been VERY important because there aren't a ton of ways to beat them. It's infuriating that Wizards keeps making changes to things that don't need to be changed. It's very annoying. They could have left it at you get to choose which one lives, but taking it that extra step and allowing both you and your opponent to have the same PW in play? That's absurd.
The other changes are negligible. The Sideboard change was actually long over due in my opinion, bringing it in tune with Limited is important, to prevent potential confusion.
I am 100% behind these changes.
As for Thrun and Geist, it's not the rules changes that are a problem, it was the stupid decision to make hexproof a thing that was a problem. "Players love all upside" mentality needs to go into corner and die.
I'm still waiting for them to allow the words "are" and "is" to supplement "have" and "has". So something can say "is hexproof."
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you said clone effects. clone effect is to copy a creature
if you where asking for cards that do the same as clone then be more specific
That WAS the best way to answer Jace. The new best way to answer Jace is to play one of your own and get value from your own. Before the first person to play Jace had a huge advantage because they got at least one activation and got to kill a Jace. Now the 2nd person to play a Jace isn't as far behind because they can get more than just a 4 mana Dreadbore.
It's this kind of lack of actual thought which is rampant in this thread. It takes just a LITTLE thought to see that playing your own Jace and getting to actually use Jace is significantly better than just playing Jace to kill theirs.
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Glad to see someone say this with a little testing, since really that second-to-last sentence is exactly what it is.
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I appreciate the honesty. But what I was getting at is that the basic philosophy of the IPG points to the fact that things like missing triggers is a common place occurrence even at the competitive tier of Magic. Missing a trigger is an easy thing to do so unless their is fraud involved there isn't a strict penalty.
The uniqueness rules comes up much less (with the exception of maybe Legends in Commander and Jace-on-Jace crime in Legacy) then missed triggers. Sure players should be aware of their own triggers, the creatures on their opponent's side of the board. However, Magic can often create both complex board states and complex interactions of the cards in your hand and the permanents on the battlefield.
It can be easy to miss a trigger and it can even be easy to forget when planning your plays for the turn that your opponent has the same legend that you have. Or heck even players can derp and forget about the legend rule as it exists now in those thought processes. I think this new rule does a good job at helping with this rule as it doesn't come up in great frequency in all magic games.
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Yep, you figured it out. Wizards is implementing a rules change that hugely impacts every single format because they wanted to nerf one very specific interaction in an unsanctioned format.
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perceptive would still be fundamentally
unprepared for the truth of House Dimir."
yeah Clone being a kill machine
You totally missed the joke
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