Not sure if anyone knows this other than wizards yet. If it went on the same schedule as normal sets then they'd probably start this week, but with a type of product that they haven't done in something like 18 years who knows!
No, if anything it will be the week after. Now that DGM is out, they still bring out the hype train for it for another week at least to help sales. They don't want to put out a new product on Friday and then make people forget about it. Remember, there are whole groups of people who ONLY go to the mothership for Magic news, and they are very careful about cramming too much down people's throats because of that. If anything, we'll have booster box images, or something very simple that might give us info, but I would HIGHLY doubt any actual spoilers till closer to M-day.
It isn't too powerful. It actually even gets SIDED OUT a lot in legacy. It's in game one so you don't auto lose to combo. The problem with Force is that there isn't really a good way to reprint it. If you put it in standard at less than mythic, it could tank to $5 since it isn't that good against "fair" decks. It would also piss a lot of people off because you can't play around it short of your opponent having fewer than 2 cards in hand. You can't print it in most products because they'll never make it to store shelves due to the FOW being ripped out of them. If you make it a judge foil, the price will be astronomical and it accomplishes nothing other than it being really pretty.
The problem with Force is that there isn't really a good way to reprint it. If you put it in standard at less than mythic, it could tank to $5 since it isn't that good against "fair" decks.
That sounds like a perfect way to reprint it. Put it in a set as an uncommon. It wouldn't actually be good in standard unless it becomes a format where the advantage is better than the innate card disadvantage (actually, it would probably be pretty good against BTE decks). Development is scared of it being in standard though.
The problem here is they crash the secondary market, which they've admitted is a concern, hence the backdoor reserve list. It's probably a likely candidate for FTV: Twenty, but that won't alter it's value.
No, if anything it will be the week after. Now that DGM is out, they still bring out the hype train for it for another week at least to help sales. They don't want to put out a new product on Friday and then make people forget about it. Remember, there are whole groups of people who ONLY go to the mothership for Magic news, and they are very careful about cramming too much down people's throats because of that. If anything, we'll have booster box images, or something very simple that might give us info, but I would HIGHLY doubt any actual spoilers till closer to M-day.
@NGW - There you go, four posts above your last one.
Edit - Can't count. For what it's worth, I agree with Pandafarmer - it'll be another week at least before we get any spoilers on the mothership.
I have to think they are going to about spoilers a bit differently
There's nothing new in Modern Masters, they very well might just spoil the whole thing in a few batches rather than over a couple of weeks
The way they used to spoil core sets and Masters Edition speaks otherwise.
This is a booster product, they will hype it just like any other set IMO, even if it doesn't necessarily need the help.
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Question: If you had the opportunity to purchase a box of MM at MSRP for the sole purpose of value (aka eventually reselling the sealed box/packs or selling the cards individually...NOT keeping the cards yourself), would it be worthwhile? This decision would have to be made before any other cards are spoiled.
You would probably break even. I never think that you should be buying sealed product hoping for profit. It's not in good spirit and also is a lousy investment. Go buy some scratch off tickets instead. If you were instead buying to hold and reselling a year down the line go for it...it's still in bad spirit but it's not as outrageously stupid as cracking the packs and hoping you get stuff.
Anyways....we'll probably get an announcement on twitter or from the mothership that spoilers will starts. So it was kinda silly to expect spoilers this week. But I'm still hyped nonetheless.
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With the way sealed product tends to rise in value over time, it's probably worth it. Look at what JTMS did to Worldwake boxes. Tarmogoyf is going to do the same to this.
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As long as this is limited print and desirable, yes it is a great idea to pick up at MSRP. Limited run sets with highly sought-after cards are always free money (Commander's Arsenal was such BANK), its just a matter of sitting on it for a bit. Obviously CA and FtV are more extreme examples, but as long as MM isn't garbage (like recent duel decks), it'll spike past MSRP within the year.
I find that hoarding product that was intended to help control card prices in a new format to be a little out of line with the manufacturer's intent. But it's not something to be reviled for. It's like celebrating christmas for the gifts and not the holiday itself. If that makes sense...Everyone does it and no one's going to really hate you for it. It's just not in the right taste.
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Yes. In fact I'd pay up to probably $200. It's very possible boxes will be worth $400 - $500 in a year but without any other cards spoiled I would not pay more than $200. MSRP or below is auto-buy if you have the money. (I already got my boxes below MSRP).
I find that hoarding product that was intended to help control card prices in a new format to be a little out of line with the manufacturer's intent. But it's not something to be reviled for. It's like celebrating christmas for the gifts and not the holiday itself. If that makes sense...Everyone does it and no one's going to really hate you for it. It's just not in the right taste.
So every single dealer and online magic retailer is not in the right taste. Gotcha.
Producing a set where Tarmogoyf is a Mythic Rare isn't intended to help control card prices, is intended to sell as much as they can still placing a bunch of them on the market.
Pretty much this.
Wizards knows what they are doing, and this set is BRILLIANT from a buisness perspective.
So every single dealer and online magic retailer is not in the right taste. Gotcha.
That's a gross over simplification of the argument and kind of childish. Most online retailers and brick and mortar shops ARE unscrupulous and mark up product 50-100%. Look at FTV, CA and some other limited print run product ON release day. And hoarding cards as players as "investment ventures" is in worse taste than what shops do (social contract and all that jazz). But that's an argument I don't want to get in to because it gets ugly really fast. Let's just say my upbringing wasn't as gung-ho about capitalism and libertarianism as the vast majority of people on MTGS was.
Producing a set where Tarmogoyf is a Mythic Rare isn't intended to help control card prices, is intended to sell as much as they can still placing a bunch of them on the market.
You're using a single card to evaluate the purpose of an entire set. You don't think finks(uncommon: 8 dollars), path to exile (Uncommon : 5 dollars), aether vial (uncommon: 12 dollars) is a little bit silly for people wanting to get into the format? Besides, that's not a very good argument. Any amount of increased supply is good for price control.
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Until the moth finally hits the flame and dies. Then from a business perspective you have no more business.
Once again, short term brilliance and profits, long term death.
At a certain point enough people will get fed up, tired, go broke, and otherwise walk away.
Magic has a record high player base. How about Wizards try a little harder to keep them instead of making brilliant new ways to screw them.
if you think modern masters will kill magic, you're nuts.
Only people getting "screwed" are people who don't have the cash to buy a box, and to be fair if you don't have 200 bucks, modern isin't the format for you anyways.
So every single dealer and online magic retailer is not in the right taste. Gotcha.
The retailers aren't hoarding it. They're trying to buy and sell it as fast as possible, which is perfectly within "the right taste" - they're getting the cards into circulation. Where the cards go after that isn't their concern.
if you think modern masters will kill magic, you're nuts.
Only people getting "screwed" are people who don't have the cash to buy a box, and to be fair if you don't have 200 bucks, modern isin't the format for you anyways.
I don't think Modern Masters will kill Magic. I do, however, think it may be representative of short term strategy with long term implications.
This was in response to the idea that Modern Masters won't lower Modern staple prices, and that any value cards will, like Goyf, be shifted up in rarity to decrease our chances of getting them.
Again, let's see the spoiled list first, but I do have a general overall worry that Wizards is not addressing the issue of player retention, and is getting very greedy in the short term profits that can be had from a booming player base.
Modern Masters may or may not be another indicator of this. It may be an indicator of the opposite. It ain't going to kill Magic (but it might help kill a lot of player's interest in it).
Me? I'm actually quite excited for it. I love Modern and am in favor of anything that attracts attention to the format. I am just worried about the idea of these shifting rarities and lack of decreasing staple prices.
I wish my 4/4s with haste and first strike that acted as Goblin Warchiefs were better and didn't die to instants and overshadowed all other 4 drops in the format. And that they had evasion too, and some way to dodge wrath effects.
Given that he mentioned euros, he probably meant 50 euros.
No, if anything it will be the week after. Now that DGM is out, they still bring out the hype train for it for another week at least to help sales. They don't want to put out a new product on Friday and then make people forget about it. Remember, there are whole groups of people who ONLY go to the mothership for Magic news, and they are very careful about cramming too much down people's throats because of that. If anything, we'll have booster box images, or something very simple that might give us info, but I would HIGHLY doubt any actual spoilers till closer to M-day.
Do people still use "bucks" when they're talking about euros? I've always thought it meant usd.
It isn't too powerful. It actually even gets SIDED OUT a lot in legacy. It's in game one so you don't auto lose to combo. The problem with Force is that there isn't really a good way to reprint it. If you put it in standard at less than mythic, it could tank to $5 since it isn't that good against "fair" decks. It would also piss a lot of people off because you can't play around it short of your opponent having fewer than 2 cards in hand. You can't print it in most products because they'll never make it to store shelves due to the FOW being ripped out of them. If you make it a judge foil, the price will be astronomical and it accomplishes nothing other than it being really pretty.
That sounds like a perfect way to reprint it. Put it in a set as an uncommon. It wouldn't actually be good in standard unless it becomes a format where the advantage is better than the innate card disadvantage (actually, it would probably be pretty good against BTE decks). Development is scared of it being in standard though.
The problem here is they crash the secondary market, which they've admitted is a concern, hence the backdoor reserve list. It's probably a likely candidate for FTV: Twenty, but that won't alter it's value.
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@NGW - There you go, four posts above your last one.
Edit - Can't count. For what it's worth, I agree with Pandafarmer - it'll be another week at least before we get any spoilers on the mothership.
There's nothing new in Modern Masters, they very well might just spoil the whole thing in a few batches rather than over a couple of weeks
The way they used to spoil core sets and Masters Edition speaks otherwise.
This is a booster product, they will hype it just like any other set IMO, even if it doesn't necessarily need the help.
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You would probably break even. I never think that you should be buying sealed product hoping for profit. It's not in good spirit and also is a lousy investment. Go buy some scratch off tickets instead. If you were instead buying to hold and reselling a year down the line go for it...it's still in bad spirit but it's not as outrageously stupid as cracking the packs and hoping you get stuff.
Anyways....we'll probably get an announcement on twitter or from the mothership that spoilers will starts. So it was kinda silly to expect spoilers this week. But I'm still hyped nonetheless.
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With the way sealed product tends to rise in value over time, it's probably worth it. Look at what JTMS did to Worldwake boxes. Tarmogoyf is going to do the same to this.
As long as this is limited print and desirable, yes it is a great idea to pick up at MSRP. Limited run sets with highly sought-after cards are always free money (Commander's Arsenal was such BANK), its just a matter of sitting on it for a bit. Obviously CA and FtV are more extreme examples, but as long as MM isn't garbage (like recent duel decks), it'll spike past MSRP within the year.
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Yes. In fact I'd pay up to probably $200. It's very possible boxes will be worth $400 - $500 in a year but without any other cards spoiled I would not pay more than $200. MSRP or below is auto-buy if you have the money. (I already got my boxes below MSRP).
So every single dealer and online magic retailer is not in the right taste. Gotcha.
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Pretty much this.
Wizards knows what they are doing, and this set is BRILLIANT from a buisness perspective.
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That's a gross over simplification of the argument and kind of childish. Most online retailers and brick and mortar shops ARE unscrupulous and mark up product 50-100%. Look at FTV, CA and some other limited print run product ON release day. And hoarding cards as players as "investment ventures" is in worse taste than what shops do (social contract and all that jazz). But that's an argument I don't want to get in to because it gets ugly really fast. Let's just say my upbringing wasn't as gung-ho about capitalism and libertarianism as the vast majority of people on MTGS was.
You're using a single card to evaluate the purpose of an entire set. You don't think finks(uncommon: 8 dollars), path to exile (Uncommon : 5 dollars), aether vial (uncommon: 12 dollars) is a little bit silly for people wanting to get into the format? Besides, that's not a very good argument. Any amount of increased supply is good for price control.
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Until the moth finally hits the flame and dies. Then from a business perspective you have no more business.
Once again, short term brilliance and profits, long term death.
At a certain point enough people will get fed up, tired, go broke, and otherwise walk away.
Magic has a record high player base. How about Wizards try a little harder to keep them instead of making brilliant new ways to screw them.
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if you think modern masters will kill magic, you're nuts.
Only people getting "screwed" are people who don't have the cash to buy a box, and to be fair if you don't have 200 bucks, modern isin't the format for you anyways.
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The retailers aren't hoarding it. They're trying to buy and sell it as fast as possible, which is perfectly within "the right taste" - they're getting the cards into circulation. Where the cards go after that isn't their concern.
Who wants to tell wizards eef you?
I don't think Modern Masters will kill Magic. I do, however, think it may be representative of short term strategy with long term implications.
This was in response to the idea that Modern Masters won't lower Modern staple prices, and that any value cards will, like Goyf, be shifted up in rarity to decrease our chances of getting them.
Again, let's see the spoiled list first, but I do have a general overall worry that Wizards is not addressing the issue of player retention, and is getting very greedy in the short term profits that can be had from a booming player base.
Modern Masters may or may not be another indicator of this. It may be an indicator of the opposite. It ain't going to kill Magic (but it might help kill a lot of player's interest in it).
Me? I'm actually quite excited for it. I love Modern and am in favor of anything that attracts attention to the format. I am just worried about the idea of these shifting rarities and lack of decreasing staple prices.
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