Dude, did you even READ his base stats? Or did you just Look at his conditional ability?
The only card that efficiently deals with him on that list is Mizzium Mortars. If you are wasting a sweeper on one guy you are in a really bad spot. Before anyone quotes me going EDICT EFFECTS! They don't do it efficiently because of the nature of their variance.
Well I would argue in the current standard format the best answer to this card is Thragtusk.
Even if you remove the Thragtusk he can still block with the beast token made and use a selesnya charm to kill it or a kessig wolf run.
I have seen Obzedat take over a game even when he can't attack for whatever reason. Right now getting through on the ground is pretty damn tough since everyone is littering the ground with tons of fatties or tons of weenies. Against some decks he can get through easily on the ground like The Aristocrats but most decks have many ways to block this guy. I guess against Naya Blitz he is a decent wall but at 5 mana you could be dead before he hits.
Obzedat drains, doesn't dies to sweepers, dies to majority of black removal and selesyna charm, and burn has to be a 2 for 1, and can be a UW chamred.
Blood baron has life link, does to sweepers, doesn't die to black/white removal, can't be hit by those charms, burn 2 for 1 minus mortars, and gets through a lot of creatures that obzedat can't.
The charm wont work because it is white and most black white decks can deal with thragtusk before it becomes an issue.
He meant using the charm to pump the beast token up to 5/5. But still, you would gain 4 life out of this (and could cast spells as well, duh), fair enough.
It's a nice card, but "Pro XY color" seems like really lazy design to me. It's like antithetical to what a Mythic should be, because it isn't unique in the slightest. It's just: "Look here spikes! This is a card your opponent can't interact with! Buy it now!"
I could be mistaken but he's a Baron - he might be a renegade - which is why he's pro Orzhov colors and why he's at Mythic - because that's quite unique.
See my previous post about the Baron/Ob race. If you're playing Baron, and you swing, you can't block, which means Ob is smashing in for 5 and also stealing 2. The Ob player slowly wins that race. If you don't swing and hang out on defense, Ob just...doesn't attack, blanking Baron's lifelink. This is all assuming no other relevant creatures, of course.
Actually, Advent is useless vs. Baron not because of pro W (token is indeed green), but because the wurm doesn't FLY! No elephant ambushes here.
Ob, on the other hand, gets eaten. Mid-combat. No lifelink to soften the blow, do not pass go, do not collect 200 mana. And in this case, a flat out race does indeed favor the Baron.
Okay here's how I see it, assuming all we have are lands with just creatures we are talking about. You have Obz only in deck and I have Barons only in my deck. We have 5 lands and two of each creature in opening hand and you are on the play:
Skipping to turn 5 since it's just lands coming in.
Turn 5: Play Obz, drain me for 2 and you gain 2, exiles him and pass. You can choose not to exile him but why wouldn't you?
My turn 5: Play Baron and pass
Your turn 6: Obz comes back, it gains haste and drain me for 2 and you gain 2
I am down to 16 and you are up 24.
Two options:
A) Obz swings in or not
If he swings in, I block. I would get back the 4 life (back to 20) and baron still lives. You won't get in 5 damage to me or Baron and have no blockers when I swing back with Baron. You still be up 24. It's a bad idea for Obz to be swinging in.
B) Obz exiles or not
You would exile him. You want that ETB effect. That is all you can do. Leaving him as a blocker is not an option since you can't block the Baron with the Obz. You want the drain and gain 2 life.
My turn 6: I swing in with my Baron. Gaining 4 and you losing 4. We both are now back at 20.
Why wouldn't I?
Then play another Baron. Pass it back to you.
Your turn 7: Obz comes back. Drain/gain 2. You are at 22 and I am at 18. You are looking down two barons, one is tapped while the other is not. All you have is one Obz in hand and another in the field.
Do you see where Obz gets outclassed?
Even if we had other spells to put in the deck, I don't think this situation would be reverse at all (unless you are playing something off color of your b/w splash). I can swing with Baron on turn 5 and put down a cheap chump blocker for obz AND have a cheap instant removal for him ready.
On the last note: Baron only has flying and his pump ONLY when you meet his conditions. So you can ambush him with Advent well. Also, advent will be out before you can play baron. So Advent eats lots of creatures and gets in a lot of damage.
If I am playing against the Advent, I would go with Obz since at least I can trade and prevent that trample damage from coming. Plus the drain for 2 and gain 2.
That blood baron is very awesome, but I am not certain that I can use it in any of my decks. It is essentially a more powerful version of Divinity of Pride, but its threshold ability has much stricter requirements for when it activates, which is a fairly severe drawback, for me. If only its threshold ability would activate under more lenient circumstances, I would have used it, but it is slightly too costly for me to use it, as it is.
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That blood baron is very awesome, but I am not certain that I can use it in any of my decks. It is essentially a more powerful version of Divinity of Pride, but its threshold ability has much stricter requirements for when it activates, which is a fairly severe drawback, for me. If only its threshold ability would activate under more lenient circumstances, I would have used it, but it is slightly too costly for me to use it, as it is.
I tend to agree. The double protection makes him awesome, but his second ability just has me scratching my head. Why on Earth would they add such a difficult to activate ability?
I tend to agree. The double protection makes him awesome, but his second ability just has me scratching my head. Why on Earth would they add such a difficult to activate ability?
I think maybe it is wotc's way of preventing the card from always being "live" in edh the way Felidar Sovereign and Serra Ascendant are.
They went too far with it here, imo. You obviously already won the game 99/100 times if this thing turns on.
I think maybe it is wotc's way of preventing the card from always being "live" in edh the way Felidar Sovereign and Serra Ascendant are.
They went too far with it here, imo. You obviously already won the game 99/100 times if this thing turns on.
They probably could have just gone with an "if you have 10 more life than an opponent" clause... but I guess they wanted 20+. As is, the card is still strong. It just won't hit its huge finisher role often.
The point is you can gg while your opponent is at 10 life and no presence and you're at thirty life with this dude instead of giving them two more turns to topdeck an answer. It's not a winmore, it's a "hey let me lock up this win instead of having it up in the air like a lot of lifegain decks do"
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4/4 pro white, pro black for 5? Yeah, that's good.
Lifelink too? Yikes.
That people are even considering the comparison with Obzedat? That's just another sign of how powerful this card is.
So blood baron is much stronger than obzedat against any deck that doesn't run wraths.
Think about it, this common effects that hit it in stardared are
Liliana
turn/burn (assuming it sees play)
far/away
devour flesh
domri rade+ thragtusk.
Um yeah thats it, dodges sphere, o-ring, terror varients, burn, etc.
Chant seems like fun however I don't like the idea of physically using it in some reanimator type deck because of the need to randomise your graveyard. I like keeping mine neat and tidy!
You don't have to randomize your graveyard. Roll dice.
I think blood baron is awesome, made an esper control deck just so that i have an excuse to play him. ( Also got him in my prerelease sealed and he wrecked faces)
Blood Baron has his win-more ability because "Lifelink, protection from white, protection from black" just isn't mythic enough.
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Well I would argue in the current standard format the best answer to this card is Thragtusk.
Even if you remove the Thragtusk he can still block with the beast token made and use a selesnya charm to kill it or a kessig wolf run.
I have seen Obzedat take over a game even when he can't attack for whatever reason. Right now getting through on the ground is pretty damn tough since everyone is littering the ground with tons of fatties or tons of weenies. Against some decks he can get through easily on the ground like The Aristocrats but most decks have many ways to block this guy. I guess against Naya Blitz he is a decent wall but at 5 mana you could be dead before he hits.
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Obzedat drains, doesn't dies to sweepers, dies to majority of black removal and selesyna charm, and burn has to be a 2 for 1, and can be a UW chamred.
Blood baron has life link, does to sweepers, doesn't die to black/white removal, can't be hit by those charms, burn 2 for 1 minus mortars, and gets through a lot of creatures that obzedat can't.
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I think that person is referring to everyone who is calling these two cards trash. Not just you in particular.
The charm wont work because it is white and most black white decks can deal with thragtusk before it becomes an issue.
And Victim of Night.
He meant using the charm to pump the beast token up to 5/5. But still, you would gain 4 life out of this (and could cast spells as well, duh), fair enough.
hint: It doesn't mean ridiculously overpowered card.
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Mythic Rarity is awesome
Charm does work if I block this guy with a 3/3 beast then PUMP my own creature.
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Okay here's how I see it, assuming all we have are lands with just creatures we are talking about. You have Obz only in deck and I have Barons only in my deck. We have 5 lands and two of each creature in opening hand and you are on the play:
Skipping to turn 5 since it's just lands coming in.
Turn 5: Play Obz, drain me for 2 and you gain 2, exiles him and pass. You can choose not to exile him but why wouldn't you?
My turn 5: Play Baron and pass
Your turn 6: Obz comes back, it gains haste and drain me for 2 and you gain 2
I am down to 16 and you are up 24.
Two options:
A) Obz swings in or not
If he swings in, I block. I would get back the 4 life (back to 20) and baron still lives. You won't get in 5 damage to me or Baron and have no blockers when I swing back with Baron. You still be up 24. It's a bad idea for Obz to be swinging in.
B) Obz exiles or not
You would exile him. You want that ETB effect. That is all you can do. Leaving him as a blocker is not an option since you can't block the Baron with the Obz. You want the drain and gain 2 life.
My turn 6: I swing in with my Baron. Gaining 4 and you losing 4. We both are now back at 20.
Why wouldn't I?
Then play another Baron. Pass it back to you.
Your turn 7: Obz comes back. Drain/gain 2. You are at 22 and I am at 18. You are looking down two barons, one is tapped while the other is not. All you have is one Obz in hand and another in the field.
Do you see where Obz gets outclassed?
Even if we had other spells to put in the deck, I don't think this situation would be reverse at all (unless you are playing something off color of your b/w splash). I can swing with Baron on turn 5 and put down a cheap chump blocker for obz AND have a cheap instant removal for him ready.
On the last note: Baron only has flying and his pump ONLY when you meet his conditions. So you can ambush him with Advent well. Also, advent will be out before you can play baron. So Advent eats lots of creatures and gets in a lot of damage.
If I am playing against the Advent, I would go with Obz since at least I can trade and prevent that trample damage from coming. Plus the drain for 2 and gain 2.
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I tend to agree. The double protection makes him awesome, but his second ability just has me scratching my head. Why on Earth would they add such a difficult to activate ability?
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I think maybe it is wotc's way of preventing the card from always being "live" in edh the way Felidar Sovereign and Serra Ascendant are.
They went too far with it here, imo. You obviously already won the game 99/100 times if this thing turns on.
They probably could have just gone with an "if you have 10 more life than an opponent" clause... but I guess they wanted 20+. As is, the card is still strong. It just won't hit its huge finisher role often.
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With the nonfoils going for $10 already,
a foil playset is going to cost somewhere around $100 at first.
If the card sees competitive play, it won't get any cheaper for quite some time
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Uh, why. Obzedat barely sees actual play.
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Think about it, this common effects that hit it in stardared are
Liliana
turn/burn (assuming it sees play)
far/away
devour flesh
domri rade+ thragtusk.
Um yeah thats it, dodges sphere, o-ring, terror varients, burn, etc.
You don't have to randomize your graveyard. Roll dice.
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