Well! That was informative! Since we're on the subject of Event Decks, we should also mention that starting with Dragon's Maze, there will be only one Event Deck per set, not two. Which means it's going to take a pretty long time before we can construct a full 32-deck bracket to see which one's the most powerful!
I guess people got fed up with Duel Decks: Aggro vs. Thragtusk. I hope the change is for the best and that they will start making real decks out of these.
I'd imagine this is likely in response to feedback from retailers about the product. There's invariably a 'good' and 'bad' event deck from players' perspective, and retailers really don't care for three half-empty event deck boxes sitting around, with customers still coming in asking for the other one.
It could also mean that one singular event deck comes in a set of six, rather than 2 different ones in sets of 3.
Since we know that they are doing one event deck for Dragon's Maze, and subsequent sets, any guesses what the DGM event deck will be? Cough, ahem, Azorius.
It seems that my 2 color intro pack prediction is becoming more true, with the Orzhov, Dimir, Izzet, Gruul, and Selesnya guilds.
I don't know. Would this lead us to the:
1- shockland
1- chase rare (ala Thragtusk)
5 others rare cards that will make the deck more or less playable
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I don't know maybe they could have made the event decks using meta archetypes trying to make a good deck , not a lot of ramdon cards with 2 or more chasecards and a lot more of crappy
Putting "value" into the decks was never the point, and never will be. These are meant to be moderately playable FNM decks to help players who want to start playing Standard, not cheap ways to get access to valuable cards.
I'm guessing these aren't selling enough to warrant printing two per set.
Possibly realizing they screw the pooch on 1 of the event decks every time (just a pile of non-cohesive jank). My guess is that if they have to only worry about 1 they can make sure it will be more balanced. No clue, but seeing as there is always 1 bad one and 1 good one it would not surprise me since I am sure shops always complain about the bad one preventing any re-orders.
Putting "value" into the decks was never the point, and never will be. These are meant to be moderately playable FNM decks to help players who want to start playing Standard, not cheap ways to get access to valuable cards.
If that is the case, how close might they be to completely canceling event decks?
Not likely. They contain very useful standard cards, and are generally pretty good starters for FNM. They've always been popular around my area, even if most people buy them and strip them of the 10-15 most useful cards. The problem (from the retailer's perspective) is that one is almost always more popular than the other and they can't order them separately. This means the retailer quickly sells out of half their stock, and the other half lingers on for a long time after, taking up shelf space and generally being a waste of money. Moving to one deck per release is a good solution. Players get expesive standard cards for a reasonable price, and retailers don't have extra stock haning around.
Yes. If it's meant to be a cheap and easy way to access expensive cards, speculators and resellers will buy them all up immediately and casual FNMers will never get a chance to lay their hands on them.
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This could potentially lead to one always being good or one being very bad, but with twice the time to build a better deck, rather than the same time needing to get two, whoever does it will be able to make better lists on a consistent basis.
Putting "value" into the decks was never the point, and never will be. These are meant to be moderately playable FNM decks to help players who want to start playing Standard, not cheap ways to get access to valuable cards.
The "value" of a card is closely tied to its playability. Event Decks were described by WOTC as decks that would be competitive at the FNM level. This means that the decks should be fairly consistent, and filled with playable cards to live up to that statement. Obviously we aren't expecting playsets of chase mythics, but including playsets of great uncommons like Boros Charm etc. shouldn't be out of the question. Not to mention some playable, competitive rares that fit with the deck (Inn Lands, Thragtusk, Boros Reckoner etc.)
Please don't give Wizards ANY notion we need more Thragtusk when there are plenty of decent rares out there. Thragtusk is only this "expensive" because that card basically carries most of the value of the entire M13 set because it contains almost no good Standard-worthy cards. But RTR is full of good rares and GTC also includes some decent ones, before we talk about the shocklands.
I don't understand your point... are you saying that if there were more playable cards in M13, Thragtusk wouldn't cost as much? I disagree with this. A cards value is tied to how much it's played (very much in standard) and it's availability (rare, uncommon, etc) and has nothing to do with how good the rest of the cards in M13 are.
Please don't give Wizards ANY notion we need more Thragtusk when there are plenty of decent rares out there. Thragtusk is only this "expensive" because that card basically carries most of the value of the entire M13 set because it contains almost no good Standard-worthy cards. But RTR is full of good rares and GTC also includes some decent ones, before we talk about the shocklands.
i only put the Thragtusk like a exemple ( because like you pointed: there are 3 E decks with it) there is a lot of cards that can be put in ( Snapcaster Mage thats see play in modern. etc..)
what im saying is : maybe they will make good decks with some value , not a creeppy deck with some value in
Yeah I hope so too. Basically they were never able to get both decks to sell evenly, there was always one favorite, value-wise or deck-wise.
I hope they actually venture outside the realm of the current event decks and try to improve on the recipe. For instance a random foil or two per deck, a really "good" deck (not just a bunch of one-of's) or maybe they should release them on a monthly basis with deck lists submitted by the community.
Remember, we're talking about WotC here. There's every possibility that the one deck they print will be just as unplayable as the worse of the two that have been in recent sets, and it'll languish on shelves too, just in larger numbers.
Please don't give Wizards ANY notion we need more Thragtusk when there are plenty of decent rares out there. Thragtusk is only this "expensive" because that card basically carries most of the value of the entire M13 set because it contains almost no good Standard-worthy cards. But RTR is full of good rares and GTC also includes some decent ones, before we talk about the shocklands.
Are you familiar with the term "a la" he was in no way saying put a Thragtusk in every event deck. You even bolded it which means you must have read it.
Now that they sell one event deck per set, now the next step is to NOT associate event decks with a main set.
They could still sell 8 event decks per year, but they just had to associate them with a set, that they have to release them 4 times a year, in groups of 2. This leads to the whole shelf-warmer thing, where one sells out and the other doesn't. They fixed it by releasing one event deck per set, but they could have still released 8 per year. I just don't get why they have to be associated with a set, and with that set's game day.
They could release event decks in January, March, April, June, August, September, November, and December, making 8 event decks released in months that main sets aren't released, but do they do that? Oh no. They just had to confuse players by selling Magic 2013 event decks, in which the deck is never legal any time it is 2013.
Event decks aren't even trying to explore the set. Intro packs do that. I just don't get why they just have to associate event decks with a set, when it could have been a side product like duel decks and from the vault.
I am very disappointed. If there is just 1 event deck and they want it to be tournament viable then it will probably be blue. I do not play blue except in extenuating circumstances so I guess in the future I will have to just stick to Limited. Tis a sad day.
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Since we know that they are doing one event deck for Dragon's Maze, and subsequent sets, any guesses what the DGM event deck will be? Cough, ahem, Azorius.
It seems that my 2 color intro pack prediction is becoming more true, with the Orzhov, Dimir, Izzet, Gruul, and Selesnya guilds.
1- shockland
1- chase rare (ala Thragtusk)
5 others rare cards that will make the deck more or less playable
?
I don't know maybe they could have made the event decks using meta archetypes trying to make a good deck , not a lot of ramdon cards with 2 or more chasecards and a lot more of crappy
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Possibly realizing they screw the pooch on 1 of the event decks every time (just a pile of non-cohesive jank). My guess is that if they have to only worry about 1 they can make sure it will be more balanced. No clue, but seeing as there is always 1 bad one and 1 good one it would not surprise me since I am sure shops always complain about the bad one preventing any re-orders.
If that is the case, how close might they be to completely canceling event decks?
I'm wondering just how secure the future of this product line is.
Of course, fans of Event Decks can hope that this one per set plan does increase their long-term viability.
Is there a reason it can't be both?
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Not likely. They contain very useful standard cards, and are generally pretty good starters for FNM. They've always been popular around my area, even if most people buy them and strip them of the 10-15 most useful cards. The problem (from the retailer's perspective) is that one is almost always more popular than the other and they can't order them separately. This means the retailer quickly sells out of half their stock, and the other half lingers on for a long time after, taking up shelf space and generally being a waste of money. Moving to one deck per release is a good solution. Players get expesive standard cards for a reasonable price, and retailers don't have extra stock haning around.
Yes. If it's meant to be a cheap and easy way to access expensive cards, speculators and resellers will buy them all up immediately and casual FNMers will never get a chance to lay their hands on them.
The "value" of a card is closely tied to its playability. Event Decks were described by WOTC as decks that would be competitive at the FNM level. This means that the decks should be fairly consistent, and filled with playable cards to live up to that statement. Obviously we aren't expecting playsets of chase mythics, but including playsets of great uncommons like Boros Charm etc. shouldn't be out of the question. Not to mention some playable, competitive rares that fit with the deck (Inn Lands, Thragtusk, Boros Reckoner etc.)
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Maybe, if WOTC finds out that people are buying them to pull chase cards out, rather than cracking tons of booster packs.
I don't understand your point... are you saying that if there were more playable cards in M13, Thragtusk wouldn't cost as much? I disagree with this. A cards value is tied to how much it's played (very much in standard) and it's availability (rare, uncommon, etc) and has nothing to do with how good the rest of the cards in M13 are.
i only put the Thragtusk like a exemple ( because like you pointed: there are 3 E decks with it) there is a lot of cards that can be put in ( Snapcaster Mage thats see play in modern. etc..)
what im saying is : maybe they will make good decks with some value , not a creeppy deck with some value in
Remember, we're talking about WotC here. There's every possibility that the one deck they print will be just as unplayable as the worse of the two that have been in recent sets, and it'll languish on shelves too, just in larger numbers.
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i think that's it... one of the decks sells out very quickly and most of the time does not go for MSRP...
while the other deck even discounted does not sell.
now we can just have one deck that hopefully will sell.
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Are you familiar with the term "a la" he was in no way saying put a Thragtusk in every event deck. You even bolded it which means you must have read it.
a la = like, in the manner of etc.
They could still sell 8 event decks per year, but they just had to associate them with a set, that they have to release them 4 times a year, in groups of 2. This leads to the whole shelf-warmer thing, where one sells out and the other doesn't. They fixed it by releasing one event deck per set, but they could have still released 8 per year. I just don't get why they have to be associated with a set, and with that set's game day.
They could release event decks in January, March, April, June, August, September, November, and December, making 8 event decks released in months that main sets aren't released, but do they do that? Oh no. They just had to confuse players by selling Magic 2013 event decks, in which the deck is never legal any time it is 2013.
Event decks aren't even trying to explore the set. Intro packs do that. I just don't get why they just have to associate event decks with a set, when it could have been a side product like duel decks and from the vault.
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The real problem for sellers is the thing that 1 sells and 1 does not, that cant be right.
But only 1 is quite limited aswell, for the actual buyer.
From a value perspective, it might be better for both, if the box is just bought because of some singel cards (which is mainly the case).
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