Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Conceptually it kind of feels like a Black Timely Reinforcements to me. "Oh you're winning? Well I'll just have to play this dude who gains me 2-4 life and draws me 2-4 cards. Oh look! Guess I'm back in the game again!".
I could see this in any deck with Black in it. But might be pretty fun in a B/W tokens deck with Sorin, Lord of Innistrad. Make a bunch of tokens, get some emblems to increase their power, then Cloudshift this guy in and out to keep drawing cards off them.
Why do people keep mistaking this for a Zombie? The OP says it's a Human.
Some people are just talking about running it in Zombies (the deck) b/c saccing a Gravecrawler or a Geralf's Messenger is a generally profitable move, whether it's a Zombie itself or not.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Oh, goddamn it- I was just about to make that joke
In all seriousness, Overgrown Tomb or something like it is *highly* likely in RTR.
Sure, but Birds will be out by then, in which case we're *still* not making that play. Unless we're fairly certain they're reprinted in Ravnica. Which would be fine with me, but it feels like Wizards has no problem with overlapping cards in core sets with expert sets that are Standard for the same duration.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Momentous Fall saw minimal play, and I don't see this making any huge waves. Where Momentous Fall gave you ways to react to removal, now you're giving your opponent ways to react to leave you in a bad position. That makes it worse. If they destroy or return your intended sacrifice back to your hand, you used your fourth turn to play out a 2/1.
umm, this doesnt target, so if they kill your intended sacrifice, you just have to sacrifice a different creature instead un less you dont have 1, you dont target so they cant kill in response to you choosing a creature, they can in response kill your highest power creature forcing you to have to sac yourother creature so you are down 2 creatures, but still get card advantage
you also neglect that this comes on a body
also, momentous fall didnt see play because it was green, and since you couldnt always wait to respond to removal, you would just go ahead and cast it anyways, and since it DID target, you could be left with nothing instead
the coming on a creature part here is not to be underestimated
also, with goons like gravecrawler and geralfs messenger in black as good sac targets, this is much better
Why do people keep mistaking this for a Zombie? The OP says it's a Human.
I'm not sure what's nice about making an unplayable instant into a sorcery. Now you can get 2-for-1'd very easily.
it doesnt target,if they kill a creature in response, you just sac another creature instead since this doesnt target, once they let you choose what you are saccing, its too late for them to respond, the creature is already saccd and you get your cards
also, at very least, this is a creature that comes into play regardless, so if they kill your only other creature, you just played a 2/1 creature, but how did you get 2 for oned, they used a epll to kill one creature while you just got another creature into play, though at inefficient cost, but howd does that make you get 2 for 1nd? the removal just acted normally like a removal spell, they didnt get card advntage on you in anyway, you still got a new creature or if you had more than 1 other creature, you just got to sac it anyway and draw cards from it so you arengt getting 2 for ond since you get your effect and this creature into play
Worse than Momentous Fall, and that card wasn't exactly tearing it up.
this card is miles better than momentous fall and in a color with more relevant creatures to use it on while it comes attached to a body and doesnt target getting rid of problem of opponent killing your chosen creature in response and you thus not getting the effect
I think people are underestimating the cost of sacrificing a creature. Sure, draw cards and gain life but if your board presence suffers as a result....
Not to mention that bouncing or killing the other creature is basically time walk.
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Not to mention that bouncing or killing the other creature is basically time walk.
No, it's not even remotely close to being Time Walked.
Last I checked, you untapped everything, drew a card, and even played a creature.
Hey, you may even be able to attack!
And as was mentioned about three times on this page,
your opponent killing/bouncing your sac victim doesn't fizzle the ability;
You can choose another as long as there is another to choose.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
also, momentous fall didnt see play because it was green, and since you couldnt always wait to respond to removal, you would just go ahead and cast it anyways, and since it DID target, you could be left with nothing instead
If you'd read the card, Momentous Fall does not have a target. In fact, you sacrifice your creature the moment you cast Momentous Fall, which means that they have no way of impacting what you can sacrifice. However, if you cast this 4-mana creature on turn four and only happen to have one other creature, they can kill it and you end up with nothing.
So, this creature gives your opponent more ways to interact with what is being sacrificed. However, with Momentous Fall, the sacrifice was part of the cost, which made it more susceptible to countermagic. The Disciple won't 2-for-1 you if they have a counterspell, just go 1-for-1.
This card is better then momentous fail for several reasons.
1. It is easier to cast color wise.
2. It's in a color that doesn't mind losing creatures IE a more control oriented color.
3. You gain a small bit of life.
4. At the minimum you get a 2/1 for 4 mana.
5. We are playing in a format where the only instant speed removal is Vapor Snag and Go for the Throat (that can hit black creatures besides burn). I am arguing here that less instant speed removal makes this a stronger card and vice versa.
It does a factor that make it worst then momentous fail though.
1. It's not instant speed.
If I were to give a numerical rating to this card in terms of standard playability it would: 6.5/10. Indicating that it does warrant testing in decks what may find uses for it but predicts that it would see mild levels of play and in mild numbers of copies.
Havengul Lich, and Jace's Phantasm.
It won't do well, but it could be really fun.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Bolas...the pimp of Magic.
Back on topic, the more I think about this card, the more I see how it can be abused to all hell.
I am REALLY looking forward to standard come July, not to mention what you can do with this thing in eternal formats.
Conceptually it kind of feels like a Black Timely Reinforcements to me. "Oh you're winning? Well I'll just have to play this dude who gains me 2-4 life and draws me 2-4 cards. Oh look! Guess I'm back in the game again!".
I could see this in any deck with Black in it. But might be pretty fun in a B/W tokens deck with Sorin, Lord of Innistrad. Make a bunch of tokens, get some emblems to increase their power, then Cloudshift this guy in and out to keep drawing cards off them.
RGGruul Aggro
WSoul Sisters
WBTokens
BUGRRestore Balance
BMono-Black Infect
EDH:
RGWMayael, the Anima
GWURoon of the Hidden Realm
BDrana, Kalastria Bloodchief
I'm not sure what's nice about making an unplayable instant into a sorcery. Now you can get 2-for-1'd very easily.
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Some people are just talking about running it in Zombies (the deck) b/c saccing a Gravecrawler or a Geralf's Messenger is a generally profitable move, whether it's a Zombie itself or not.
Wait, what?!
By that logic, people should be running Explosive Vegetation instead of Primeval Titan...
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
T2 Geralf
T3 Disciple of Bolas
T4 Garruk
SO MUCH DRAW!!!!
Did they forget they also printed rancor?
What land are you using that produces green on turn one and black on turn two?
Karador EDH
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Currently developing Set 1 of 3, 'Shadow': http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=436885
This one
I'm jelly
Edit:
Sure, but Birds will be out by then, in which case we're *still* not making that play. Unless we're fairly certain they're reprinted in Ravnica. Which would be fine with me, but it feels like Wizards has no problem with overlapping cards in core sets with expert sets that are Standard for the same duration.
Karador EDH
Comments on decks welcome: http://tappedout.net/users/AradonTemplar/
Currently developing Set 1 of 3, 'Shadow': http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=436885
Oh, goddamn it-
I was just about to make that joke
In all seriousness, Overgrown Tomb or something like it is *highly* likely in RTR.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
G - Draw 2 additional cards, Gain 2 additional life return to hand... so you can draw more rancor's and phantasmal images to rinse wash repeat...
Turn 2 Two Goblin Guide
umm, this doesnt target, so if they kill your intended sacrifice, you just have to sacrifice a different creature instead un less you dont have 1, you dont target so they cant kill in response to you choosing a creature, they can in response kill your highest power creature forcing you to have to sac yourother creature so you are down 2 creatures, but still get card advantage
you also neglect that this comes on a body
also, momentous fall didnt see play because it was green, and since you couldnt always wait to respond to removal, you would just go ahead and cast it anyways, and since it DID target, you could be left with nothing instead
the coming on a creature part here is not to be underestimated
also, with goons like gravecrawler and geralfs messenger in black as good sac targets, this is much better
it doesnt target,if they kill a creature in response, you just sac another creature instead since this doesnt target, once they let you choose what you are saccing, its too late for them to respond, the creature is already saccd and you get your cards
also, at very least, this is a creature that comes into play regardless, so if they kill your only other creature, you just played a 2/1 creature, but how did you get 2 for oned, they used a epll to kill one creature while you just got another creature into play, though at inefficient cost, but howd does that make you get 2 for 1nd? the removal just acted normally like a removal spell, they didnt get card advntage on you in anyway, you still got a new creature or if you had more than 1 other creature, you just got to sac it anyway and draw cards from it so you arengt getting 2 for ond since you get your effect and this creature into play
this card is miles better than momentous fall and in a color with more relevant creatures to use it on while it comes attached to a body and doesnt target getting rid of problem of opponent killing your chosen creature in response and you thus not getting the effect
Nicol Bolas, a balance of Vorthos and PowerUBR
Nath of the Gilt LeafBG
Others
Squee, Goblin of AwesomenessR
Nekusar, the Mindblazer!UBR
Vela the NightcladUB
I used to be a world champion, but then I took a wolf to the knee. And three Galvanic Blasts to the face.
Concerning when returning to Kamigawa would be acceptable
Not to mention that bouncing or killing the other creature is basically time walk.
- H. L. Mencken
French Duel Commander
WBR Kaalia of the Vast WBR
RUG Maelstrom Wanderer RUG
No, it's not even remotely close to being Time Walked.
Last I checked, you untapped everything, drew a card, and even played a creature.
Hey, you may even be able to attack!
And as was mentioned about three times on this page,
your opponent killing/bouncing your sac victim doesn't fizzle the ability;
You can choose another as long as there is another to choose.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
If you'd read the card, Momentous Fall does not have a target. In fact, you sacrifice your creature the moment you cast Momentous Fall, which means that they have no way of impacting what you can sacrifice. However, if you cast this 4-mana creature on turn four and only happen to have one other creature, they can kill it and you end up with nothing.
So, this creature gives your opponent more ways to interact with what is being sacrificed. However, with Momentous Fall, the sacrifice was part of the cost, which made it more susceptible to countermagic. The Disciple won't 2-for-1 you if they have a counterspell, just go 1-for-1.
Karador EDH
Comments on decks welcome: http://tappedout.net/users/AradonTemplar/
Currently developing Set 1 of 3, 'Shadow': http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=436885
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Godo: Strap him up and turn him sideways!
1. It is easier to cast color wise.
2. It's in a color that doesn't mind losing creatures IE a more control oriented color.
3. You gain a small bit of life.
4. At the minimum you get a 2/1 for 4 mana.
5. We are playing in a format where the only instant speed removal is Vapor Snag and Go for the Throat (that can hit black creatures besides burn). I am arguing here that less instant speed removal makes this a stronger card and vice versa.
It does a factor that make it worst then momentous fail though.
1. It's not instant speed.
If I were to give a numerical rating to this card in terms of standard playability it would: 6.5/10. Indicating that it does warrant testing in decks what may find uses for it but predicts that it would see mild levels of play and in mild numbers of copies.
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