This is sweet should drive the prices of both card down. I love the venser art and he it is smexy!!! Deschamps did the Venser it looks like but who did the Koth?
It's not like they're crazy expensive right now....but yes, their prices will fall.
So will Venser be blue, as in Venser, Shaper Savant, or UW, as in Venser, the Sojourner? They could go UW for more options, but with Koth locked into mono-red, they might just go U vs. R, since they don't seem to like doing multi vs mono. Though they already did U vs. R with Jace vs. Chandra....
For the Ravnica faction vs set, saying that Ravnica will be the next set out, it would probably make the most sense being Boros vs Dimir.
Although I think it would be better if it were Boros & Selesnia vs Dimir & Azorius. Colors fit well with RWG vs BUW, the storyline fits well, it's just the name is too long.
As for everyone stating that the guilds dissipated and it is unlikely they return: Wizards commonly does things that every says is unlikely. Not only that, playing a Ravnica block them that was considered "gold" by everyone, but now losing it's main focus and being something completely different that isn't guilds? I see that just as unlikely as the guilds coming back together. Plus everyone that were members of the guilds are still there. Izzet and other Guildmasters, all the creatures that shared 2 colors, etc.
What's been happening in the last 3 blocks is that some major multiverse threatening problem happens, and in two of them factions are fighting: Nicol Bolas and slamming the shards together, shard wars. Phyrexians invading? Mirrodin vs Phyrexia. I'm going to think that something multiverse threatening is going to happen within Ravnica and the guilds must band together to fight it or side with it or fight each other, etc. Nothing in any story that has ever recently happened says that the guilds can't come back together, the selling point of Ravnica to newbies in the first place.
I would assume Venser the Planeswalker. The announcement included a blurb about next year's pattern of Duel Decks, referring to VVK as that year's "planeswalker vs. planeswalker" entry.
It'd be rad to see Venser, Shaper Savant, but it wouldn't make much flavor sense, which Wizards seems to be at least moderately interested in. .. maybe?
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So is anyone else kinda upset that these artists are either asked to make all planeswalker arts with either no background or the background is going to be covered by the textbox? Like what's the point? Waste of time and waste of a piece of art.
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So...Innistrad gets boned on a Faction vs. Faction Duel Deck? I am sad. This would have been a perfect time for Vampires vs. Werewolves.
Everyone keeps saying this, but we just had a Vampire-themed Event Deck for M12, and I'm sure Innistrad will bring us Werewolves (or something similar) as part of its Event Decks. Having another "faction-vs-faction" set-themed pair of decks seems superfluous...even if one is only geared towards Standard.
Everyone keeps saying this, but we just had a Vampire-themed Event Deck for M12, and I'm sure Innistrad will bring us Werewolves (or something similar) as part of its Event Decks. Having another "faction-vs-faction" set-themed pair of decks seems superfluous...even if one is only geared towards Standard.
Certainly, but that isn't the point. For one, they bring back a lot of nice older cards in the Duel Decks that are nice to have in a modern frame. For another, I'd rather pay $20 bucks to achieve what would cost $50 through Event Decks.
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I think the Walkers in the deck will still be in standard when this comes out. Huh. Will the price go high if they see play in Ins/Som/M12?
RIP Venser your sideburns will be missed :'(
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Is a Jace, the Mind Sculptor "wasted" if he's played in some Mono U casual Deck? I don't think so.
And neither do I think those great artworks and backgrounds are "wasted".
It's just a necessary fact that the artworks can fit on a small room.
But the Picture printed on the Papercard is just a kind of Icon for the Card as a game element. The real Artwork is far more beyond that. There is a reason why people are buying the original prints and WotC is publishing Artworks as Wallpaper.
If you appreciate an Artwork less because it's shrinked and cut to fit on a card - feel free to do so.
I don't lower my tribute for the artists work because it's also used as an icon. Rather the opposite.
I don't necessarily disagree with Kramit's point, and I myself do not like the arts for either of these versions of the cards. But I do like the way you expressed yourself.
Oftentimes, great artwork can look horrible when shrunk onto a card, and great "icons" on a card don't look nearly so impressive as a print / wallpaper. (IMO, for example, Fred Fields' Island is one of the best islands ever printed. When enlarged to a wallpaper, it is still good art, but just another landscape painting of a tropical shore.)
I suppose we should get these out of the way... personal discretion taken as far as cropping the full-sized images to fill out the art box a bit (and get some sticky-outy bits near the frame edges).
I was just wondering, and since you're a moderator and all that. What do you think will be sticking out of the frames? Venser's light ball's? Koth's smoke? There's really nothing else and both would look awkward...
Unless PW from DD don't have that. I've never bought one of the PW DD.
Other than the fact that Timothy Olyphant is now modeling for Planeswalker cards this is far from interesting. It feels like they could have ended it with Elepth/Tezz and said, "that was a fun product, now lets do something new."
What? Well I'm glad your filthy rich that you can afford over priced planeswalkers. You can keep paying too much for them. This is a fantastic thing to do.
The previous ones have stuck through the frames. They'll probably just make these guys bigger than you did and move them up so the heads poke through a little.
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wow, this is gonna be awesome! Much more excited about this DD than the Bolas one. I must get that Venser to be altered to look like Sylar from Heroes, anyone else notice the similarity?
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I was more excited about Ajani/Bolas before I saw the deck lists…
I am hopeful that we can get some good red stuff from Koth though. Venser seems like they'd do a blink deck, which I'm not against, but I don't really care about either.
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This is just wowza the art for both is off the chain. It is kind of funny Venser looks like the actor who played Obi-Wan Kenobi so that alone makes me say, "SIGN ME UP!"
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It would be hilariawesome to see Venser, Shaper Savant in Venser's deck. It's a little odd flavorwise, but Venser is both an artificer and a teleportation specialist -- he could totally make a robot double of himself and/or figure out a way to be in two places at once, right?
It's not like they're crazy expensive right now....but yes, their prices will fall.
So will Venser be blue, as in Venser, Shaper Savant, or UW, as in Venser, the Sojourner? They could go UW for more options, but with Koth locked into mono-red, they might just go U vs. R, since they don't seem to like doing multi vs mono. Though they already did U vs. R with Jace vs. Chandra....
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Although I think it would be better if it were Boros & Selesnia vs Dimir & Azorius. Colors fit well with RWG vs BUW, the storyline fits well, it's just the name is too long.
As for everyone stating that the guilds dissipated and it is unlikely they return: Wizards commonly does things that every says is unlikely. Not only that, playing a Ravnica block them that was considered "gold" by everyone, but now losing it's main focus and being something completely different that isn't guilds? I see that just as unlikely as the guilds coming back together. Plus everyone that were members of the guilds are still there. Izzet and other Guildmasters, all the creatures that shared 2 colors, etc.
What's been happening in the last 3 blocks is that some major multiverse threatening problem happens, and in two of them factions are fighting: Nicol Bolas and slamming the shards together, shard wars. Phyrexians invading? Mirrodin vs Phyrexia. I'm going to think that something multiverse threatening is going to happen within Ravnica and the guilds must band together to fight it or side with it or fight each other, etc. Nothing in any story that has ever recently happened says that the guilds can't come back together, the selling point of Ravnica to newbies in the first place.
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Everyone keeps saying this, but we just had a Vampire-themed Event Deck for M12, and I'm sure Innistrad will bring us Werewolves (or something similar) as part of its Event Decks. Having another "faction-vs-faction" set-themed pair of decks seems superfluous...even if one is only geared towards Standard.
Certainly, but that isn't the point. For one, they bring back a lot of nice older cards in the Duel Decks that are nice to have in a modern frame. For another, I'd rather pay $20 bucks to achieve what would cost $50 through Event Decks.
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RIP Venser your sideburns will be missed :'(
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I don't necessarily disagree with Kramit's point, and I myself do not like the arts for either of these versions of the cards. But I do like the way you expressed yourself.
Oftentimes, great artwork can look horrible when shrunk onto a card, and great "icons" on a card don't look nearly so impressive as a print / wallpaper. (IMO, for example, Fred Fields' Island is one of the best islands ever printed. When enlarged to a wallpaper, it is still good art, but just another landscape painting of a tropical shore.)
I was just wondering, and since you're a moderator and all that. What do you think will be sticking out of the frames? Venser's light ball's? Koth's smoke? There's really nothing else and both would look awkward...
Unless PW from DD don't have that. I've never bought one of the PW DD.
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I am hopeful that we can get some good red stuff from Koth though. Venser seems like they'd do a blink deck, which I'm not against, but I don't really care about either.
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