So wait- You end up with two 25 card decks? I thought limited was 40 cards... 25 card decks seem a bit too small. I think this is a good move in any case. The 20 card packs should have 1 rare each, I think.
If you're reading this thread, this product is not aimed at you.
Very well said. Great way to introduce new players at a low enough price that they'd probably consider it freely. If only the elite posters of this forum could figure that out without raging outcries of how horrible this is for competition, we'd be in good shape.
Heh, between the time of me reading the quoted post and posting my own, another one...
I don't know why everyone is raging about these things... It's a nice bridge for new limited players to get into the format, and 2 Boosters by themselves would only be 8 dollars, what's 2 more for 40 cards, and a quick game or two with a friend? If you're already good at the format and you think this is bad, it's not meant to be sold to you. They're trying to attract more new players to limited, and this is a decent way to do it. It's not like they're scamming you out of tons of money or something either; it's 2 more dollars, than if you just bought 2 Boosters, for 2 pre-made 'decks' of 20 cards.
This is a fine experiment, certainly a much better product than the DoTP decks, or Foil Scars packs.
At the end of the day, it is MSRP of 2 Boosters ~8 bucks +2 dollars for the extra cards. (which will likely be commons and a few uncommons)
This isn't the best idea WoTC has ever had, but it certainly isn't the worst either.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. It isn't for everyone. It doesn't take away from anything else, it doesn't hurt anything by existing.
Actually it is probably one of the worst, next to the cheap 6 card packs. Foil Packs wasnt that bad of a ideal, sold like crazy to foil freaks.
This is a brilliant idea. Intro packs don't really teach deckbuilding skills or card evaluation like limited does, and these things make limited more accessible by teaching the basics. Best part is that the $10 price point is cheap enough that I can pick one up on the spur of the moment, use it to teach a friend to play, and if they like the game I can just give the whole thing to 'em and if not... well then I just got some new cards and killed some time. And all tolled it's only two bucks more than just buying a pair of boosters! Simply brilliant.
One problem I see: what if your booster doesn't have 5 cards in your colors?
After generating packs using MWS, its very rare I got less than four of any combination of two colors and I haven't seen a pack yet without at least one card of every color in it.
That might just be MWS though, real packs could be different..
If they want to get players into limited, why do they make it work like sealed? It seems like coming up with some kind of small draft format would have been better.
What if it came with a few of those 6-card mini-boosters and 2 real packs or something.
Feels like a wasted product-slot, even for its target audience.
Anyone else realize that Liliana is in that pic? You know the PW that's not in this set...
I definitely did a double take at this. Wizards is such a tease.
So $10 gets me 3 boosters at game shop, but now I can try 2 boosters plus 2 x 20 card decks? The contents of the premade piles would have to be really really bad for that not to be fair value. If each contains only a single rare it's a safe way to jump into the set at reasonable cost. I would do it myself, if not for the tragically delayed release date.
However playing with 25 cards has me scratching my head. Wouldn't the most powerful strategy with this mini-format be milling, given that you start with fewer cards in your library than your health total?
Perhaps you should just send WOTC a resume and tell them why you're better at Magic than one of their employees instead of complaining here, where nobody really has any authority on the matter.
I definitely did a double take at this. Wizards is such a tease.
So $10 gets me 3 boosters at game shop, but now I can try 2 boosters plus 2 x 20 card decks? The contents of the premade piles would have to be really really bad for that not to be fair value. If each contains only a single rare it's a safe way to jump into the set at reasonable cost. I would do it myself, if not for the tragically delayed release date.
However playing with 25 cards has me scratching my head. Wouldn't the most powerful strategy with this mini-format be milling, given that you start with fewer cards in your library than your health total?
This makes me think that the semi-random decks will be lacking in mill. Though there's quite a bit of milling at common in what we've seen of M12, so blue might be pretty strong in this "format."
Hmm, respected member of the MTGS community and former adminstrator versus some guy. Who will win?
6 Card packs are useless since it is even more of a gamble to get a good rare.
This could supplement a DBT quite well.
Some guy. It's easier to teach them limited on MTGO, taught my wife and brother that way. At least on how to pick and such. I guarantee these will not sell like they want them to. They take a few steps forward and take one back.
After screwing stores over by banning a card that's in event decks, I see stores dropping a LOT less money on these side items now.
Yes, because these decks are totally going to be sold on the strength of some absurdly valuable powerhouse cards contained within. These things are completely comparable to the SFM event deck in their target market.
if you relentlessly explore rumor mill forums on the internet about rumored upcoming cards, you probably aren't in the target market for Booster Battles
The idea of this product has been taken from Warlord CCG game....
Don't understand why so much products in a so short time.
Hasbro is a for-profit company. They're legally bound to maximize profits for the company's shareholders. Printing more actual sets would bloat the card pool and be too expensive to develop anyways, but printing more and more specialty products keeps people buying year-round with very few additional costs relative to blocks and core sets.
It's MSPR should have been $7,99 period!
That way new players would rather buy this, then 2 Boosters. And you put some extra in it for newbs to love it, it's all good.
Noone buys this except for new players, why would you want charge $2 extra for this?
It's MSPR should have been $7,99 period!
That way new players would rather buy this, then 2 Boosters. And you put some extra in it for newbs to love it, it's all good.
Noone buys this except for new players, why would you want charge $2 extra for this?
Aside from pricing, this product is okay))
40 basic land alone is worth about a buck (average worth about two to three cents each if you buy in bulk). The other cards in the deck are also probably worth about the same in bulk. The pricing makes even more sense if you assume two people pitching in five bucks each instead of one person spending ten blindly. This product faces new players looking for an entry point and gives them a convenient excuse to get a friend to jump in with them. It also faces experienced players looking to get friends into the game. As such, the $10 price point makes perfect sense.
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It comes with M12 packs, not M11.
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25 + 15 land = ?
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Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
I believe he was making a joke, since the last new thing (event decks) got banned. Which isn't even entirely true, but he probably doesn't know that.
Also,
It said the 20 cards include land.
By the time this comes out, we'll all be over M12 and onto INN.
If you're reading this thread, this product is not aimed at you.
Practice for Khans of Tarkir Limited:
Draft: (#1) (#2) (#3) (#4) (#5)
Very well said. Great way to introduce new players at a low enough price that they'd probably consider it freely. If only the elite posters of this forum could figure that out without raging outcries of how horrible this is for competition, we'd be in good shape.
Heh, between the time of me reading the quoted post and posting my own, another one...
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Actually it is probably one of the worst, next to the cheap 6 card packs. Foil Packs wasnt that bad of a ideal, sold like crazy to foil freaks.
Hmm Troll's know how to spot each other as well.
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After generating packs using MWS, its very rare I got less than four of any combination of two colors and I haven't seen a pack yet without at least one card of every color in it.
That might just be MWS though, real packs could be different..
What if it came with a few of those 6-card mini-boosters and 2 real packs or something.
Feels like a wasted product-slot, even for its target audience.
Hmm, respected member of the MTGS community and former adminstrator versus some guy. Who will win?
6 Card packs are useless since it is even more of a gamble to get a good rare.
This could supplement a DBT quite well.
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Although it also looks like there is not too much value into the cards as well (just an impression though)
In the end its more products and more cards.. nothing wrong with that.
I definitely did a double take at this. Wizards is such a tease.
So $10 gets me 3 boosters at game shop, but now I can try 2 boosters plus 2 x 20 card decks? The contents of the premade piles would have to be really really bad for that not to be fair value. If each contains only a single rare it's a safe way to jump into the set at reasonable cost. I would do it myself, if not for the tragically delayed release date.
However playing with 25 cards has me scratching my head. Wouldn't the most powerful strategy with this mini-format be milling, given that you start with fewer cards in your library than your health total?
This makes me think that the semi-random decks will be lacking in mill. Though there's quite a bit of milling at common in what we've seen of M12, so blue might be pretty strong in this "format."
R Citizen Cane (Feldon of the Third Path)
Some guy. It's easier to teach them limited on MTGO, taught my wife and brother that way. At least on how to pick and such. I guarantee these will not sell like they want them to. They take a few steps forward and take one back.
Daretti
Ezuri
Captain Sisay (In work)
Yes, because these decks are totally going to be sold on the strength of some absurdly valuable powerhouse cards contained within. These things are completely comparable to the SFM event deck in their target market.
Hasbro is a for-profit company. They're legally bound to maximize profits for the company's shareholders. Printing more actual sets would bloat the card pool and be too expensive to develop anyways, but printing more and more specialty products keeps people buying year-round with very few additional costs relative to blocks and core sets.
That way new players would rather buy this, then 2 Boosters. And you put some extra in it for newbs to love it, it's all good.
Noone buys this except for new players, why would you want charge $2 extra for this?
Aside from pricing, this product is okay))
40 basic land alone is worth about a buck (average worth about two to three cents each if you buy in bulk). The other cards in the deck are also probably worth about the same in bulk. The pricing makes even more sense if you assume two people pitching in five bucks each instead of one person spending ten blindly. This product faces new players looking for an entry point and gives them a convenient excuse to get a friend to jump in with them. It also faces experienced players looking to get friends into the game. As such, the $10 price point makes perfect sense.