to make best use of volt charge, new chandra is better than koth. not to mention her +1 triggers bloodthirst for the beserker if we can't get in for some odd reason.
double proliferate in this deck would be nuts, chandra -2, volt charge.
For reference and hilarity I went back to the thread for Goblin Guide when it was originally spoiled, and on the first 2 pages I found these gems:
Granted, people caught on pretty quickly with Goblin Guide, and Noble is not Goblin Guide obviously, but does this sound familiar to anybody else?
I did that awhile ago when they banned Stoneforge Mystic. I just had to read how much hate people poured onto the most overpowered Squire of all time. Loved it.
This card is playable. It might not reach any spectacular heights, but it is definitely pushed well enough. The Red aggressive curve will no longer be Goblin Guide, so it's not worth talking about him. Remember this creature is also going to be a Vampire in a set that will have a good chunk of Vampire empowering cards (possibly another Lord) and that as a tribe Vamps are pretty solid (though they do lose their best creature in Bloodghast).
to make best use of volt charge, new chandra is better than koth. not to mention her +1 triggers bloodthirst for the beserker if we can't get in for some odd reason.
double proliferate in this deck would be nuts, chandra -2, volt charge.
How so? Cast Koth, bash for 4. Untap, cast Tezzeret's Gambit, use Koth's ultimate... win? The extra +1/+1 on your creature hardly matters when all your mountains are active.
Don't forget Vengeful Pharaoh and Sutured Ghoul; the former is way more impressive when we can bypass his 2BBB cost, and the latter is just HUGE if he feeds on a full graveyard (and he has trample to boot).
Even Gravedigger, a common, mediocre crature at best, becomes impressive with the Rooftop Storm: a free Zombify if he gets a zombie back (which he likely will), while still adding a 2/2 body to the field.
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For reference and hilarity I went back to the thread for Goblin Guide
Granted, people caught on pretty quickly with Goblin Guide, and Noble is not Goblin Guide obviously, but does this sound familiar to anybody else?
I did that awhile ago when they banned Stoneforge Mystic. I just had to read how much hate people poured onto the most overpowered Squire of all time. Loved it.
If you pay close attention you'll notice its the same group of people making these bad evaluations and losing in the tournaments every season. Just smile, nod, laugh at them behind their backs and move on. They lose games because they refuse to learn.
The Noble is a good card. Maybe even a great card for the environment he's going into. Keep in mind the previewer - Turian. This is a spike card. The developers in Magic R&D have a few pro tours under their belts - I'm pretty sure they can evaluate cards better than most.
Will this card get the nod over Goblin Guide in Extended or other formats? Tribal notwithstanding I'll say no. But claiming he's crap or unplayable is just unrealistic. Let's review here.
He has relevant evasion
He has a relevant creature type.
He has a CMC equal to mana cost.
He has an ability to ramp his power over his mana cost.
Unanswered, he's a 6 turn clock. That doesn't mean I expect him to ever kill anyone. What I do expect is that he will draw removal - removal your opponent might have preferred to use on your 2 and 3 CMC creatures. Blocks don't enter into it really - you're playing a red deck and better be able to clear a path. There's a reason why a 2/1 in red is far more dangerous than a 2/1 in white - white just doesn't have the efficient spot removal to clear a path.
He'll see play. That's all I ever claimed. Anyone who can't grasp that fact will be losing games to this guy and the rest of the deck he's in.
Don't forget Vengeful Pharaoh and Sutured Ghoul; the former is way more impressive when we can bypass his 2BBB cost, and the latter is just HUGE if he feeds on a full graveyard (and he has trample to boot).
Even Gravedigger, a common, mediocre crature at best, becomes impressive with the Rooftop Storm: a free Zombify if he gets a zombie back (which he likely will), while still adding a 2/2 body to the field.
Sutured Ghoul suffers a serious drawback from anything that bounces or temporarily exiles. Gravedigger sounds good but seriously are you really going to play Gravedigger in a constructed set?
Sutured Ghoul suffers a serious drawback from anything that bounces or temporarily exiles. Gravedigger sounds good but seriously are you really going to play Gravedigger in a constructed set?
Haha, I once assembled a Gravedigger deck - a deck full of creatures with that kind of ability (namely Pit Keeper, Warren Pilferers and Gravedigger himself) - for a Pauper Standard tournament; it was rather fun to play with.
Anyway, I'm a Johnny player at heart; if a card fits my deck's strategy, I will use it.
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I don't think the Noble is unplayable, just that if they gave him to Top Decks they must have him in alot of their red decks, which signals a far weaker red than the semi-competitive rdw we've had the past couple years. You're likely to get more damage in from Furnace Scamp than this guy.
Btw, is he a king or just a noble? Where's Geordie Tait to complain about flavor text when we need him?
I don't think the Noble is unplayable, just that if they gave him to Top Decks they must have him in alot of their red decks, which signals a far weaker red than the semi-competitive rdw we've had the past couple years. You're likely to get more damage in from Furnace Scamp than this guy.
That doesn't mean scamp is better though. Scamp kills itself, costing you a card. The Noble forces you to deal with it, costing them a card. While it's true the scamp may get in for that 4 damage in the first few turns, attacking with and then popping him is only marginally less scrubby than mountain, bolt to the head for 3.
Once defenses are up both are getting blocked. But which is more useful, a noble that got in twice in the early turns and is now 3/3, or a dead scamp that got in once and popped?
That doesn't mean scamp is better though. Scamp kills itself, costing you a card. The Noble forces you to deal with it, costing them a card. While it's true the scamp may get in for that 4 damage in the first few turns, attacking with and then popping him is only marginally less scrubby than mountain, bolt to the head for 3.
Once defenses are up both are getting blocked. But which is more useful, a noble that got in twice in the early turns and is now 3/3, or a dead scamp that got in once and popped?
A scamp in a graveyard = food for a lavamancer in a fetchless format.
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All the noble has to do is get in there once, and he's a Volt Charge away from being a 3/3 for 1 red. Its a great card and will definately see play in competitive standard.
Turn 1 Stromkirk
turn 2 Swing, add a +1+1 to him and drop a bloodthirsty Stormblood Berzerker
turn 3 Swing with some Volt Charge combat trickery.
Im pretty sure this card just made Volt Charge playable in mono red, taking the place of staggershock. Since I'm going to be running Volt Charge now, I think Koth just earned the 4-spot over Hero of Oxid Ridge.
This card will be intersting... I think people are underestimating it.
Haha, I once assembled a Gravedigger deck - a deck full of creatures with that kind of ability (namely Pit Keeper, Warren Pilferers and Gravedigger himself) - for a Pauper Standard tournament; it was rather fun to play with.
Anyway, I'm a Johnny player at heart; if a card fits my deck's strategy, I will use it.
I think it's unfortunate that this isn't the PRIMARY use for graveyard strategies. Reanimating huge things shouldn't be a normal thing; if anything, cheating things in should be green or blue, not black. The graveyard - just speaking purely thematically - should have been about inevitability through card advantage because nothing stays dead, not pseudo-combo kills through reanimating giant monsters.
I'd love to see them arrange a graveyard-oriented standard where they hadn't printed a reanimate for a while, nor much/any graveyard hate, and then set up a Standard environment that used the graveyard like that.
Or an EDH general with "Cards from your graveyard can't be exiled by spells or abilities your opponents control" and "If a creature would be put directly into play from your graveyard, put it into your hand instead."
Stromkirk is a great card. Perfectly playable for a "small standard" environment.
But why the hell is it a rare!?!
The same reason Goblin Guide was Rare; this is a competitively pushed 1 drop. Rares that are pushed for power reasons that lie outside of the scope of what might constitute a Mythic are pretty common, and this guy fits the bill quite well.
seems like rooftop storm could be the basis of a control deck, the blue zenith + some counterspells + a lot of other cardraw + some utility zombies could be really good, course I haven't looked at the playable zombies but being able to draw a ton of cards then just play them for free seems pretty sweet, we'll see I guess.
Still with Haakon and a changeling in the graveyard/battlefield, + any sac outlet on the battlefield then Rooftop Storm loops with no additional mana requirement. With a sac general in EDH, it is nuts.
EDH setup: Thraximundar general, Haakon and any of the >20 zombie-knights or BUR changelings in the graveyard and phyrexian altar in play.
Cast rooftop storm, cast haakon for free from graveyard, cast changeling for free from anywhere, cast thrax for free from commander zone, sac changeling -->play for free from graveyard -->resac & repeat. Result is infinity/infinity hasty general and unlimited mana.
Rooftop Storm + Cloudstone Curio can loop with any two zombies for infinite enter/leave-the-battlefield trigger abuse:
-Skinrender wipes out the opponent's board;
-Sedraxis Alchemist bounces all nonland permanents;
-Gravedigger becomes a one-sided Patriarch's Bidding;
-Grixis Slavedriver makes an infinite army of 2/2's;
-Anathemancer wins the game on the spot, provided the opponent controls at least one nonbasic land (which s/he likely does).
Rooftop Storm and Sedraxis Alchemist can also work together to create an infinite Storm engine; burning someone down with Grapeshot is looking funnier the more I think about it.
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I like him.
Also, Rooftop Swarm is absolutely hilarious for Commander. Many generals will love this card.
to make best use of volt charge, new chandra is better than koth. not to mention her +1 triggers bloodthirst for the beserker if we can't get in for some odd reason.
double proliferate in this deck would be nuts, chandra -2, volt charge.
Sigged. Sooo good. Hopefully it plays as well as it looks like it will.
I did that awhile ago when they banned Stoneforge Mystic. I just had to read how much hate people poured onto the most overpowered Squire of all time. Loved it.
This card is playable. It might not reach any spectacular heights, but it is definitely pushed well enough. The Red aggressive curve will no longer be Goblin Guide, so it's not worth talking about him. Remember this creature is also going to be a Vampire in a set that will have a good chunk of Vampire empowering cards (possibly another Lord) and that as a tribe Vamps are pretty solid (though they do lose their best creature in Bloodghast).
Sorry for the double post.
How so? Cast Koth, bash for 4. Untap, cast Tezzeret's Gambit, use Koth's ultimate... win? The extra +1/+1 on your creature hardly matters when all your mountains are active.
Currently, the best zombies so far are Geth, Lord of the Vault, Glissa, the Traitor, and Skinrender
Pretty bare cupboard so far.
Don't forget Vengeful Pharaoh and Sutured Ghoul; the former is way more impressive when we can bypass his 2BBB cost, and the latter is just HUGE if he feeds on a full graveyard (and he has trample to boot).
Even Gravedigger, a common, mediocre crature at best, becomes impressive with the Rooftop Storm: a free Zombify if he gets a zombie back (which he likely will), while still adding a 2/2 body to the field.
Jace's Trolling ---
Instant
Split Second
Exile target spell, then return Jace's Trolling to its owner's hand.
"Yeah, sure... when pigs fly."
-Mark Rosewater about printing this card
If you pay close attention you'll notice its the same group of people making these bad evaluations and losing in the tournaments every season. Just smile, nod, laugh at them behind their backs and move on. They lose games because they refuse to learn.
The Noble is a good card. Maybe even a great card for the environment he's going into. Keep in mind the previewer - Turian. This is a spike card. The developers in Magic R&D have a few pro tours under their belts - I'm pretty sure they can evaluate cards better than most.
Will this card get the nod over Goblin Guide in Extended or other formats? Tribal notwithstanding I'll say no. But claiming he's crap or unplayable is just unrealistic. Let's review here.
He'll see play. That's all I ever claimed. Anyone who can't grasp that fact will be losing games to this guy and the rest of the deck he's in.
Sutured Ghoul suffers a serious drawback from anything that bounces or temporarily exiles. Gravedigger sounds good but seriously are you really going to play Gravedigger in a constructed set?
Haha, I once assembled a Gravedigger deck - a deck full of creatures with that kind of ability (namely Pit Keeper, Warren Pilferers and Gravedigger himself) - for a Pauper Standard tournament; it was rather fun to play with.
Anyway, I'm a Johnny player at heart; if a card fits my deck's strategy, I will use it.
Jace's Trolling ---
Instant
Split Second
Exile target spell, then return Jace's Trolling to its owner's hand.
"Yeah, sure... when pigs fly."
-Mark Rosewater about printing this card
Btw, is he a king or just a noble? Where's Geordie Tait to complain about flavor text when we need him?
That doesn't mean scamp is better though. Scamp kills itself, costing you a card. The Noble forces you to deal with it, costing them a card. While it's true the scamp may get in for that 4 damage in the first few turns, attacking with and then popping him is only marginally less scrubby than mountain, bolt to the head for 3.
Once defenses are up both are getting blocked. But which is more useful, a noble that got in twice in the early turns and is now 3/3, or a dead scamp that got in once and popped?
A scamp in a graveyard = food for a lavamancer in a fetchless format.
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Turn 1 Stromkirk
turn 2 Swing, add a +1+1 to him and drop a bloodthirsty Stormblood Berzerker
turn 3 Swing with some Volt Charge combat trickery.
Im pretty sure this card just made Volt Charge playable in mono red, taking the place of staggershock. Since I'm going to be running Volt Charge now, I think Koth just earned the 4-spot over Hero of Oxid Ridge.
This card will be intersting... I think people are underestimating it.
That doesn't make the scamp a better card. Grim Lavamancer doesn't really care what creatures are being exiled.
Your argument is about as absurd as the tongue in cheek arguments about cards that make Sorrow's Path good.
But why the hell is it a rare!?!
I think it's unfortunate that this isn't the PRIMARY use for graveyard strategies. Reanimating huge things shouldn't be a normal thing; if anything, cheating things in should be green or blue, not black. The graveyard - just speaking purely thematically - should have been about inevitability through card advantage because nothing stays dead, not pseudo-combo kills through reanimating giant monsters.
I'd love to see them arrange a graveyard-oriented standard where they hadn't printed a reanimate for a while, nor much/any graveyard hate, and then set up a Standard environment that used the graveyard like that.
Or an EDH general with "Cards from your graveyard can't be exiled by spells or abilities your opponents control" and "If a creature would be put directly into play from your graveyard, put it into your hand instead."
The same reason Goblin Guide was Rare; this is a competitively pushed 1 drop. Rares that are pushed for power reasons that lie outside of the scope of what might constitute a Mythic are pretty common, and this guy fits the bill quite well.
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Still with Haakon and a changeling in the graveyard/battlefield, + any sac outlet on the battlefield then Rooftop Storm loops with no additional mana requirement. With a sac general in EDH, it is nuts.
EDH setup: Thraximundar general, Haakon and any of the >20 zombie-knights or BUR changelings in the graveyard and phyrexian altar in play.
Cast rooftop storm, cast haakon for free from graveyard, cast changeling for free from anywhere, cast thrax for free from commander zone, sac changeling -->play for free from graveyard -->resac & repeat. Result is infinity/infinity hasty general and unlimited mana.
Rooftop Storm + Cloudstone Curio can loop with any two zombies for infinite enter/leave-the-battlefield trigger abuse:
-Skinrender wipes out the opponent's board;
-Sedraxis Alchemist bounces all nonland permanents;
-Gravedigger becomes a one-sided Patriarch's Bidding;
-Grixis Slavedriver makes an infinite army of 2/2's;
-Anathemancer wins the game on the spot, provided the opponent controls at least one nonbasic land (which s/he likely does).
Rooftop Storm and Sedraxis Alchemist can also work together to create an infinite Storm engine; burning someone down with Grapeshot is looking funnier the more I think about it.
Jace's Trolling ---
Instant
Split Second
Exile target spell, then return Jace's Trolling to its owner's hand.
"Yeah, sure... when pigs fly."
-Mark Rosewater about printing this card