This was just confirmed on Attack of the Show (G4), that the Lorwyn trio will be new, including the following:
Jace, Memory Adept
3UU
PW - Jace (M)
Loyalty - 4
+1 - Draw a card. Target player puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
0 - Target player puts the top ten cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
-7 - Any number of target players each draw twenty cards.
If this is the case, I won't be very happy. A planeswalker dedicated to mill seems very uninteresting. That being said, it shouldn't be TOO hard to deal with considering that it costs 5 and can't protect itself.
I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
I'm assuming Saber Lily's is accurate, and presumably they've learned some harsh lessons about PW costing and whether it's actually necessary that they can protect themselves.
EDIT - Also, folks should keep in mind that if Innistrad is Graveyard-themed as we assume, the mill powers take on a different relevance.
Really? Brainstorming for free every turn wasn't bad enough? Now for 1 more than JTMS you can Glimpse your opponent every turn for free? Yeah, this won't be pricey at all.....
Puts the ultimate in a nice range for doubling season running or proliferate commander decks. 5 mana without self protection otherwise is a hard sell though.
If this is accurate, the manacost is a real problem.
Well, that and the fact that it has no way to protect itself.
I think that is the point. This is basically WotC's apology for Jace TMS, they made an extremely powered down card. Also I'm not complaining on this card, it's interesting how they basically made a decent mill strategy card for turbo fog decks.
Well, he plays nicely with his Archivist at least. Hopefully after the eldrazi rotate out I might be able to try mill without falling completely flat against one of the better players at my FNM who just happens to play eldrazi ramp.
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I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
I also like to imagine that he has a rotating torso (like a metallic graft that fuses his upper and lower body together), so he can spin all around, leveling everything within 20ft of him to rubble.
Really? Brainstorming for free every turn wasn't bad enough? Now for 1 more than JTMS you can Glimpse your opponent every turn for free? Yeah, this won't be pricey at all.....
It won't, because when was the last time Mill was a viable strategy, let alone on a 5CC Planeswalker that can't protect itself? Knee-jerk reaction, much?
The 0 kills a player in 4 or 5 uses, not even counting any other ways to mill your opponent.
If your opponent lets you get a 5CC Planeswalker out and doesn't provide an answer to it before 4 or 5 uses, you're either goldfishing or your opponent is my cat, and probably asleep.
Jace, Memory Adept
3UU
PW - Jace (M)
Loyalty - 4
+1 - Draw a card. Target player puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
0 - Target player puts the top ten cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
-7 - Any number of target players each draw twenty cards.
See below for the screencap.
- 4/22/12, Knowledge from the Helvault (Part 1)
Sorry about the quality and size, best I could do with such short notice.
It will do for now. Image attached. -viper
Jace, Memory Adept
3UU
PW - Jace (M)
+1 - Draw one, target player mills 1.
0 - Target player mills 10.
-7 - Any number of target players draws 20 cards
4
Kinda loving it.
Currently playing
Standard
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If this is accurate, the manacost is a real problem.
Well, that and the fact that it has no way to protect itself.
Cost is indeed 3UU, and starts with loyalty 4.
..of course it's on a 5 CC Planeswalker, but still that seems pretty powerful if it's real.
True, but a stripped-down, useless version of Jace makes a lot of people happy - some were fearing a Mind Sculptor reprint.
Lands WUBG
EDH:
Doran WBG
EDIT - Also, folks should keep in mind that if Innistrad is Graveyard-themed as we assume, the mill powers take on a different relevance.
- 4/22/12, Knowledge from the Helvault (Part 1)
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
Also, wouldn't milling your opponent just help them out, given Innistrad is a graveyard-themed block?!
I think that is the point. This is basically WotC's apology for Jace TMS, they made an extremely powered down card. Also I'm not complaining on this card, it's interesting how they basically made a decent mill strategy card for turbo fog decks.
There was once [The Pack], but no more.
I agree, I don't think he will be too difficult to deal with. Seems more annoying than effective...
Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
none
Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
and since when does G4 have anything to do with magic?
It won't, because when was the last time Mill was a viable strategy, let alone on a 5CC Planeswalker that can't protect itself? Knee-jerk reaction, much?
If your opponent lets you get a 5CC Planeswalker out and doesn't provide an answer to it before 4 or 5 uses, you're either goldfishing or your opponent is my cat, and probably asleep.
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Correct, and worse, when combo-ed with Gideon to run interference, you can't even smack him dead with creatures.
The info was appended to some coverage regarding DotP 2012, bizarrely positioned at the very end of the show.
- 4/22/12, Knowledge from the Helvault (Part 1)