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Jace being in the set and not JTMS. Does not confirms its Jace beleren. It could be a new version of jace. Like that its jace beleren but... hardly confirmed.
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Jace being in the set and not JTMS. Does not confirms its Jace beleren. It could be a new version of jace. Like that its jace beleren but... hardly confirmed.
There are already two Jaces, and a core set has never previous contained a new 'walker. I agree that we don't have 100% confirmation, but I would personally classify the possibility of a new Jace as remote. Feel free to gloat if I end up eating my words.
Gloating that will follow with immediate suspension, more like it.
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But seriously i demand you take down that Jace Beleren declaration until we see real proof, not these hasty assumptions
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There are already two Jaces, and a core set has never previous contained a new 'walker. I agree that we don't have 100% confirmation, but I would personally classify the possibility of a new Jace as remote. Feel free to gloat if I end up eating my words.
I agree with you, the only thing that is bugging me is how careful they are to keep the old walkers hidden in that "Fan of Cards" at the end of the trailer. Just seems odd to not show them if they are just reprints.
edit: Also Sengir is back as an Uncommon not Rare...
Gloating that will follow with immediate suspension, more like it.
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But seriously i demand you take down that Jace Beleren declaration until we see real proof, not these hasty assumptions
Your making demands on a magical card game site when all logical thought would say its one thing.
And I doubt they make a 3rd jace when we still need a 2nd Garruk and the other Planeswalkers will be reprints at all.
Can Chandra be given the same treatment? Is there any reason to believe that there will be a new version/Chandra Ablaze instead of Nalaar (as it's been the past 2 core sets)?
Just because there hasn't been a new planeswalker in a core set, doesn't mean there won't be. Why would they print the same planeswalkers that have been in Lorwyn and the past two cores sets? It just wouldn't make any sense and gives people less incentive to buy packs. Less incentive to buy packs = less money for WotC. They're not that stupid.
I fully expect there to be a new Jace, Garruk, and Chandra. Either way, this is all just guessing and belongs in the speculation forum. I thought this thread was for confirmed cards.
All circumstantial evidence, logic, and common sense points to lorwyn walkers with new art, but I agree that it is still far from confirmed. We don't even have a rumor telling us "it's the old walkers", just pure inferential speculation, and with only two new-school core sets for precedent, that doesn't necessarily mean much.
There are already two Jaces, and a core set has never previous contained a new 'walker. I agree that we don't have 100% confirmation, but I would personally classify the possibility of a new Jace as remote. Feel free to gloat if I end up eating my words.
But... there has only been two core sets that even have planeswalkers. I don't think that is a large enough sample size to say that we are getting reprints. If anything, I think the artwork guarantees new walkers because the two confirmed reprints (Sorin and Gideon) do not have new artwork. There is also a lot of evidence pointing to the titans returning in M12 which would put the reprint count at 10 mythics, which seems unlikely.
It's not worth getting myself in trouble but I'll say this much: there's a new Garruk inM12. I don't know about Chandra or Jace, though.
For those that think I'm a gob☺☺☺☺e, I predicted the last set would be NPH and that there'd be a Karn walker in it on these forums.
I say this not to brag or to start something; I just want you all to be informed. FYI, neo-Garruk costs five, has a "make a beast" as a +1 ability and has an ability to draw cards based on power of creatures.
Anyway, as I said, I have no idea what Jace we'll see but it's baseless speculation to assume it'll be Beleren. Just because there are two Jaces in Standard and just because there's only one Garruk and just because there haven't been new walkers in a core set before does not mean it won't happen. All of these arguments are based on faulty premises.
Btw, I think I'm the only person this side of Dominaria who's excited about Flameblast Dragon.:)
It's not worth getting myself in trouble but I'll say this much: there's a new Garruk inM12. I don't know about Chandra or Jace, though.
For those that think I'm a gob☺☺☺☺e, I predicted the last set would be NPH and that there'd be a Karn walker in it on these forums.
I say this not to brag or to start something; I just want you all to be informed. FYI, neo-Garruk costs five, has a "make a beast" as a +1 ability and has an ability to draw cards based on power of creatures.
Anyway, as I said, I have no idea what Jace we'll see but it's baseless speculation to assume it'll be Beleren. Just because there are two Jaces in Standard and just because there's only one Garruk and just because there haven't been new walkers in a core set before does not mean it won't happen. All of these arguments are based on faulty premises.
Btw, I think I'm the only person this side of Dominaria who's excited about Flameblast Dragon.:)
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@ Viperesque: I have to call B.S. on you mods putting up the old planeswalkers on the list without any real confirmation of them. People have been threatened with suspension on this website for less and I think it's unfair that you guys can get away with it becuase you are mods.
All the information I have read about M12 so far has pointed to the clue that we will get new versions of Garruk, Chandra and Jace.
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It's not worth getting myself in trouble but I'll say this much: there's a new Garruk inM12. I don't know about Chandra or Jace, though.
For those that think I'm a gob☺☺☺☺e, I predicted the last set would be NPH and that there'd be a Karn walker in it on these forums.
I say this not to brag or to start something; I just want you all to be informed. FYI, neo-Garruk costs five, has a "make a beast" as a +1 ability and has an ability to draw cards based on power of creatures.
Anyway, as I said, I have no idea what Jace we'll see but it's baseless speculation to assume it'll be Beleren.
Geez, I hope you're right (again, apparently). I love the Lorwyn 'Walkers, but they are getting a bit stale, and opening one of them in your mythic slot when consistent players have at least a copy of each at this point isn't exactly exciting.
I have put the planeswalker question to the rest of the staff. As such, please don't discuss it further. I will post the staff consensus at a later date.
I have removed Jace and Garruk for the time being. Not because I think Hannes and viperesque are wrong in feeling secure in those cards being reprinted - I personally agree that the signs are pointing that way - simply because we don't have concrete confirmation yet.
But I do want to clarify. We have in the past added cards to the spoiler that were incomplete or sometimes not 100% confirmed. Ordinarily this isn't a big problem. We get a tip about a card or enough official hints are dropped that deductive reasoning can bring us to a logical conclusion. The only real difference in this case is that these two marquee cards for the set. In a lot of ways, they'll make or break the set. Opinion will hinge on them and that will have a serious effect on the secondary market as well. Put simply, though we feel the chances of being wrong are low, they are still there and the fallout from our spoiler being incorrect on such high profile cards would be disastrous. Were these just two commons we had reason to believe would be reprinted, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
The spoiler in the site banner will change to the M12 one after Commander spoilers are done, and the product is released. Until then, you can take the extra few seconds to go to the Rumor Mill and find this thread.
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The ~ on the spoiler denotes unconfirmed (due to translation) card names.
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Since MaRo said it wouldn't be TMS.
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Calling someone a Commie is flaming and must be stopped, but turning the word Conservative into a loaded pejorative and using it over and over again is perfectly acceptable.
There are already two Jaces, and a core set has never previous contained a new 'walker. I agree that we don't have 100% confirmation, but I would personally classify the possibility of a new Jace as remote. Feel free to gloat if I end up eating my words.
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But seriously i demand you take down that Jace Beleren declaration until we see real proof, not these hasty assumptions
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I agree with you, the only thing that is bugging me is how careful they are to keep the old walkers hidden in that "Fan of Cards" at the end of the trailer. Just seems odd to not show them if they are just reprints.
edit: Also Sengir is back as an Uncommon not Rare...
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Your making demands on a magical card game site when all logical thought would say its one thing.
And I doubt they make a 3rd jace when we still need a 2nd Garruk and the other Planeswalkers will be reprints at all.
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Further to that, I'm going to go ahead and add Garruk. Adding Jace but not him would be inconsistent, since we have the same amount of info for both.
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I fully expect there to be a new Jace, Garruk, and Chandra. Either way, this is all just guessing and belongs in the speculation forum. I thought this thread was for confirmed cards.
But... there has only been two core sets that even have planeswalkers. I don't think that is a large enough sample size to say that we are getting reprints. If anything, I think the artwork guarantees new walkers because the two confirmed reprints (Sorin and Gideon) do not have new artwork. There is also a lot of evidence pointing to the titans returning in M12 which would put the reprint count at 10 mythics, which seems unlikely.
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WB Teysa, Orzhov Scion (HOLD/100) WB
For those that think I'm a gob☺☺☺☺e, I predicted the last set would be NPH and that there'd be a Karn walker in it on these forums.
I say this not to brag or to start something; I just want you all to be informed. FYI, neo-Garruk costs five, has a "make a beast" as a +1 ability and has an ability to draw cards based on power of creatures.
Anyway, as I said, I have no idea what Jace we'll see but it's baseless speculation to assume it'll be Beleren. Just because there are two Jaces in Standard and just because there's only one Garruk and just because there haven't been new walkers in a core set before does not mean it won't happen. All of these arguments are based on faulty premises.
Btw, I think I'm the only person this side of Dominaria who's excited about Flameblast Dragon.:)
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All the information I have read about M12 so far has pointed to the clue that we will get new versions of Garruk, Chandra and Jace.
Famliy Guy Emperor Says,
"Something, something something, DARK SIDE!
Something, something, something COMPLETE!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiUitciuJ8
:symrw::symrw::symrw::symrw::symrw::symrw:
SPIKE GAYMER: not just a beatdown, a beatdown sung to the tune of "I Feel Pretty"!
Not to start anything, but where is this information? I'd like to read it myself.
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Geez, I hope you're right (again, apparently). I love the Lorwyn 'Walkers, but they are getting a bit stale, and opening one of them in your mythic slot when consistent players have at least a copy of each at this point isn't exactly exciting.
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But I do want to clarify. We have in the past added cards to the spoiler that were incomplete or sometimes not 100% confirmed. Ordinarily this isn't a big problem. We get a tip about a card or enough official hints are dropped that deductive reasoning can bring us to a logical conclusion. The only real difference in this case is that these two marquee cards for the set. In a lot of ways, they'll make or break the set. Opinion will hinge on them and that will have a serious effect on the secondary market as well. Put simply, though we feel the chances of being wrong are low, they are still there and the fallout from our spoiler being incorrect on such high profile cards would be disastrous. Were these just two commons we had reason to believe would be reprinted, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
So they are, for now, removed from the spoiler.
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Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
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This spoiler is significantly more important then the commander spoiler because these cards will be legal in more than one format...
Says you...
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More then likely it is because by next weekend the Commander stuff will be done with, M12 has a bit longer for us to spoil and speculate.
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