Ugh, anyone else notice that the garruk rare has nothing to do with garruks abilities?
Other than costing 7, which means that if Garruk was cast the turn before, it will be able to be cast the turn after? Or how it enables his ultimate? Or how it plays so ridiculously well with Garruk's Packleader? I will grant you that it's not as linear as Garruk's Companion and Packleader were, but still...
Other than costing 7, which means that if Garruk was cast the turn before, it will be able to be cast the turn after? Or how it enables his ultimate? Or how it plays so ridiculously well with Garruk's Packleader? I will grant you that it's not as linear as Garruk's Companion and Packleader were, but still...
Having a large cost doesn't mean it combo's with Garruk's ability. Look at the Chandra's rare and Gideon's rare, they tie directly into their abilities. If it having a high cost means it is tied to Garruk, then every creature that costs over 6 should be called Garruk's _______.
Edit: I guess Garruk's Legion is conflicted and is also Koth's Legion since he can produce mana as well.
Other than costing 7, which means that if Garruk was cast the turn before, it will be able to be cast the turn after? Or how it enables his ultimate? Or how it plays so ridiculously well with Garruk's Packleader? I will grant you that it's not as linear as Garruk's Companion and Packleader were, but still...
Well, we have two other Planeswalker rares, and they are tied into the abilities of the Planeswalker.
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Not to mention that Garruk (finally) got new art as well.
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After giving it some thought, I think I sold red dude short. Boros definitely wants a friend like him (you really need a lot of other 1-2 drops/burn tho', as enablers).
He's a great sword-carrier, because a single batterskull can't block him. Caw, for example, needs to come up with two legit blockers or they're eating SoWP.
Also if you happen to be running any kind of proliferate effects (volt charge and/or tezz's gambit, I guess), you could pump him. If you're in a deck with koth, shrine and bloodthirst dudes, volt charge/gambit _may_ become playable.
He also pairs well with Chandra's phoenix as a way to enable him even in midgame when the board might be clogged.
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Giving bloodthirst to other vampires is cool, but his cost is extremely high. Then again most of the vamps will be gone in the next block, i find it kind of weird that bloodthirst is an aggressive ability it shouldn be put on a expensive creature. The creatures players ran gruul with bloodthirst were all low cost ones.
I wish it was just 1BB, flyer 2/2 that gave eveyone else bloodthirst 2. As for enablers. Gut shot will be a easy one. Too bad forked lightning is rotating out also.
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I've actually been thinking of building a vampire/suicide/recursion edh deck. Recurring a gave yard full of vampires and giving them blood thirst might be good. Or not... Still, seems fun.
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So a question: I realize the current wording of the Vampire Lord is very much unofficial (translation of a partially obscured text-box), but would the ability work as stated? For reference, I'm referring to the current "Other Vampire creatures you control gain Bloodthirst 3." wording of the ability. Bloodthirst is a static replacement effect which affects the permanent as it is entering the battlefield, so the creature would have to have Bloodthirst before it enters the battlefield, but at that point it's not a creature, it's a creature spell (or creature card), so the ability wouldn't effect it.
I guess my real question (since the intent is obvious, and I highly doubt they'd print a mechanically broken card) is how would the ability need to be worded to actually work the way we're expecting it to?
Well, we have two other Planeswalker rares, and they are tied into the abilities of the Planeswalker.
This isn't.
Not to mention that Garruk (finally) got new art as well.
Very Interesting. So I would assume if this is true then one of Garruk 2.0's abilities is something like -/+ N : Search your library for a creature card, shuffle your library and put that card on top.
Is bloodthirst accumulative?
ie, if a Vampire already has Bloodthirst 2 and the Lord is in play, will it get Bloodthirst 5?
If not, then I am actually liking the Red Uncommon the most. Garruk's Horde is far too expensive for a card that has no immediate effect on the game and if Bloodthirst is not accumulative, the Vampire has too little synergy with the other vampires in the set.
I have to say, before this core set I thought bloodthirst was probably the most boring mechanic around. Only goes on creatures, just adds a few +1/+1 counters, nothing exciting. And then they put it on vampires - this flavor is fantastic, and they're putting bloodthirst on a lord. I have to say, I really like the mechanic now and am looking forward to future core sets to change my mind about other mechanics.
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So a question: I realize the current wording of the Vampire Lord is very much unofficial (translation of a partially obscured text-box), but would the ability work as stated? For reference, I'm referring to the current "Other Vampire creatures you control gain Bloodthirst 3." wording of the ability. Bloodthirst is a static replacement effect which affects the permanent as it is entering the battlefield, so the creature would have to have Bloodthirst before it enters the battlefield, but at that point it's not a creature, it's a creature spell (or creature card), so the ability wouldn't effect it.
I guess my real question (since the intent is obvious, and I highly doubt they'd print a mechanically broken card) is how would the ability need to be worded to actually work the way we're expecting it to?
From what I can read of the obscured text, it should actually translate to 'whenever you cast a vampire creature spell, it gains Bloodthirst 3'. So yes, the translation as given is slightly off, and this does work out mechanically.
Other than costing 7, which means that if Garruk was cast the turn before, it will be able to be cast the turn after? Or how it enables his ultimate? Or how it plays so ridiculously well with Garruk's Packleader? I will grant you that it's not as linear as Garruk's Companion and Packleader were, but still...
Having a large cost doesn't mean it combo's with Garruk's ability. Look at the Chandra's rare and Gideon's rare, they tie directly into their abilities. If it having a high cost means it is tied to Garruk, then every creature that costs over 6 should be called Garruk's _______.
Edit: I guess Garruk's Legion is conflicted and is also Koth's Legion since he can produce mana as well.
Well, we have two other Planeswalker rares, and they are tied into the abilities of the Planeswalker.
This isn't.
Not to mention that Garruk (finally) got new art as well.
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He's a great sword-carrier, because a single batterskull can't block him. Caw, for example, needs to come up with two legit blockers or they're eating SoWP.
Also if you happen to be running any kind of proliferate effects (volt charge and/or tezz's gambit, I guess), you could pump him. If you're in a deck with koth, shrine and bloodthirst dudes, volt charge/gambit _may_ become playable.
He also pairs well with Chandra's phoenix as a way to enable him even in midgame when the board might be clogged.
I wish it was just 1BB, flyer 2/2 that gave eveyone else bloodthirst 2. As for enablers. Gut shot will be a easy one. Too bad forked lightning is rotating out also.
But Lich still is worthless.
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I've actually been thinking of building a vampire/suicide/recursion edh deck. Recurring a gave yard full of vampires and giving them blood thirst might be good. Or not... Still, seems fun.
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I guess my real question (since the intent is obvious, and I highly doubt they'd print a mechanically broken card) is how would the ability need to be worded to actually work the way we're expecting it to?
Very Interesting. So I would assume if this is true then one of Garruk 2.0's abilities is something like -/+ N : Search your library for a creature card, shuffle your library and put that card on top.
ie, if a Vampire already has Bloodthirst 2 and the Lord is in play, will it get Bloodthirst 5?
If not, then I am actually liking the Red Uncommon the most. Garruk's Horde is far too expensive for a card that has no immediate effect on the game and if Bloodthirst is not accumulative, the Vampire has too little synergy with the other vampires in the set.
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"Other Vampire spells you cast have Bloodthirst 3"
As giving Bloodthirst to creatures already on the field does nothing.
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It would have both Bloodthirst 2 and Bloodthirst 3, so it will enter the battlefield with 5 +1/+1 counters if an opponent was dealt damage that turn.
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The red card is probably constructed playable if mono red still exists. Scab-Clan Mauler helped win PT Honolulu, and this guy is better than that.
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From what I can read of the obscured text, it should actually translate to 'whenever you cast a vampire creature spell, it gains Bloodthirst 3'. So yes, the translation as given is slightly off, and this does work out mechanically.
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Vampire is just pure wickedness, ima make mono black vampires, just cause. No wheres my Vampire Noctournous?