Okay, you obviously know what you're talking about. However, I'm refraining from adding this card, because it just occurred to me that the Arcana said nothing about Cat tokens. To the best of my knowledge the token-spoiler Arcanas have always been comprehensive.
Okay, you obviously know what you're talking about. However, I'm refraining from adding this card, because it just occurred to me that the Arcana said nothing about Cat tokens. To the best of my knowledge the token-spoiler Arcanas have always been comprehensive.
Cat tokens were in SOM remember. 'Cause I've opened Shard Soldier tokens in Conflux boosters.
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It's sorcery? Then this makes this technically the worst out of the set. I was really expecting it to be instant to make it compete it with the rest of the cycle, now its utterly worst. Oh well, I'll just have to wait for the actual spoil card so that I can have mu hopes up that it is a instant.
#1 - What's the dumbest idea you ever had?
#2 - 15/15 for 15?
#1 - Make it dumber
#2 - Give it protection from removal and counter?
#1 - DUMBER!
#2 - Add Timewalk?
#1 - DAMN IT MAN, I SAID DUMB!! DUMB !!!
#2 - It destroys everything when it attacks.... And wait, I have a friend who plays mill decks... I want to beat him too.
#1 - Excellent! Recess is over, go back and learn sex-ed with the other 6th graders.
I think Viper just decided to put it on the spoiler as a sorcery for now since that is what it was originally spoiled as...though we still don't have any other confirmation on if it is instant or sorcery yet.
But...I guess maybe it could see play in edh...maybe not though
#1 - What's the dumbest idea you ever had?
#2 - 15/15 for 15?
#1 - Make it dumber
#2 - Give it protection from removal and counter?
#1 - DUMBER!
#2 - Add Timewalk?
#1 - DAMN IT MAN, I SAID DUMB!! DUMB !!!
#2 - It destroys everything when it attacks.... And wait, I have a friend who plays mill decks... I want to beat him too.
#1 - Excellent! Recess is over, go back and learn sex-ed with the other 6th graders.
And I thought you have seen the card. At least there is still hope for it being an Instant :D.
Now awaiting official pic of White Sun Zenith!
Me too...because yeah...an X cost token generator at Sorcery speed. And one that produces tokens that are not T2 Tribal supported, and BARELY supported otherwise...I mean at least Martial Coup was a board sweeper, too. If I summon a swath of critters, I want them to be relevant NOW.
I went with sorcery because it seems more likely. Doesn't seem like a major enough point to keep it out of the spoiler. Obviously it makes a major difference to its power level, but hey.
this NEEDS to be instant to be relevant. Why would I play this over lets say Conqueror's Pledge?
Or Nomad's Assembly, which'll at least slam two rounds of Kor Soldiers onto the field. Last block had two cards that almost completely outclass this card as stands. I mean, granted, the Cats are stronger at core, but Kor has Armament Master, and Soldiers...well, it's soldiers.
Just...yeah. I want flash blockers. C'mon Wizards. I don't ask for much.
Or Nomad's Assembly, which'll at least slam two rounds of Kor Soldiers onto the field. Last block had two cards that almost completely outclass this card as stands. I mean, granted, the Cats are stronger at core, but Kor has Armament Master, and Soldiers...well, it's soldiers.
Just...yeah. I want flash blockers. C'mon Wizards. I don't ask for much.
So true on Nomad's Assembly. Being able to spawn blockers at instant speed would be a GREAT card, that hopefully Wizards will give us
Me too...because yeah...an X cost token generator at Sorcery speed. And one that produces tokens that are not T2 Tribal supported, and BARELY supported otherwise...I mean at least Martial Coup was a board sweeper, too. If I summon a swath of critters, I want them to be relevant NOW.
Yup, it needs to be instant in order to contend with the other cards, with so many boardsweepers now in the form of BSZ, DoJ, Slastorm, etc it won't be much use if the tokens can be killed before you can even use them.
#1 - What's the dumbest idea you ever had?
#2 - 15/15 for 15?
#1 - Make it dumber
#2 - Give it protection from removal and counter?
#1 - DUMBER!
#2 - Add Timewalk?
#1 - DAMN IT MAN, I SAID DUMB!! DUMB !!!
#2 - It destroys everything when it attacks.... And wait, I have a friend who plays mill decks... I want to beat him too.
#1 - Excellent! Recess is over, go back and learn sex-ed with the other 6th graders.
I highly doubt that it is instant.
Comparing it with Decree of Justice when you cycle, you get X 1/1 tokens instantly.
But when White Sun´s Zenith is instant, you get X 2/2 tokens for the same amount of mana as Decree of Justice.
I think thats a bit too strong.
When it´s sorcery, it won´t see much play.
But if Wizards wanted it to be instant, they would made it create 1/1 tokens.
So I expect sorcery.
You can't compare this to Decree of Justice because Decree of Justice has resiliency to counters which is much more relevant to recycleability. WSZ is harder to cast since it has WWW in its cost and still has the chance of being countered something which is getting common nowadays. And we also have a lot of board sweepers in the format which are in Sorcery speed except for Consume the Meek, and Ratchet Bomb which can kill tokens at anytime.
#1 - What's the dumbest idea you ever had?
#2 - 15/15 for 15?
#1 - Make it dumber
#2 - Give it protection from removal and counter?
#1 - DUMBER!
#2 - Add Timewalk?
#1 - DAMN IT MAN, I SAID DUMB!! DUMB !!!
#2 - It destroys everything when it attacks.... And wait, I have a friend who plays mill decks... I want to beat him too.
#1 - Excellent! Recess is over, go back and learn sex-ed with the other 6th graders.
And, assuming this is instant speed, this could be used to replenish your field, post BSZ. Works both ways.
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Cat tokens were in SOM remember. 'Cause I've opened Shard Soldier tokens in Conflux boosters.
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Standard: Jeskai Tempo
Legacy: Dredge, Burn
Pauper: Mono-U Delver
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Well that sucks out loud.
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GGG Stompy Crux GGG
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Jor Kadeen TronRWRBRU Sedris Beatdown URB
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It's sorcery? Then this makes this technically the worst out of the set. I was really expecting it to be instant to make it compete it with the rest of the cycle, now its utterly worst. Oh well, I'll just have to wait for the actual spoil card so that I can have mu hopes up that it is a instant.
But...I guess maybe it could see play in edh...maybe not though
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Oh, I was going by front page, assuming it officially got confirmed. There's still hope!
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And I thought you have seen the card. At least there is still hope for it being an Instant :D.
Now awaiting official pic of White Sun Zenith!
I bet he went with sorcery so that if it does turn out to be sorcery he doesn't have to downgrade it from instant and disappoint everyone.
Me too...because yeah...an X cost token generator at Sorcery speed. And one that produces tokens that are not T2 Tribal supported, and BARELY supported otherwise...I mean at least Martial Coup was a board sweeper, too. If I summon a swath of critters, I want them to be relevant NOW.
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Or Nomad's Assembly, which'll at least slam two rounds of Kor Soldiers onto the field. Last block had two cards that almost completely outclass this card as stands. I mean, granted, the Cats are stronger at core, but Kor has Armament Master, and Soldiers...well, it's soldiers.
Just...yeah. I want flash blockers. C'mon Wizards. I don't ask for much.
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So true on Nomad's Assembly. Being able to spawn blockers at instant speed would be a GREAT card, that hopefully Wizards will give us
Yup, it needs to be instant in order to contend with the other cards, with so many boardsweepers now in the form of BSZ, DoJ, Slastorm, etc it won't be much use if the tokens can be killed before you can even use them.
You can't compare this to Decree of Justice because Decree of Justice has resiliency to counters which is much more relevant to recycleability. WSZ is harder to cast since it has WWW in its cost and still has the chance of being countered something which is getting common nowadays. And we also have a lot of board sweepers in the format which are in Sorcery speed except for Consume the Meek, and Ratchet Bomb which can kill tokens at anytime.