I know, neither am I. It just seems funny that they reprinted one card in a cycle of five.
Considering Leyline of the Void saw about 10000% more play than the others did, it makes sense.
Excellent reprint. Good against a variety of strategies, and the new art is very pretty (the Guildpact art wouldn't make much sense outside of Ravnica).
I guess this got reprinted because it was the only nonterrible Leyline? Because of how powerful starting with something in play can be, Leylines have to be narrow hosers to get any power. Leyline of the Void is extremely powerful, but still very narrow. It remains to be seen whether this will actually be a sideboard card in standard.
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Aww... so I won't be able to build a deck with 10 different Laylines
This is going to be nice against Vengie, though black already has a few tricks up its sleeves...
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In what universe? If you build a deck like that, and ever draw that hand, I will personally come to wherever you live, perform complicated acts of awestruck ********, then disembowel myself to escape the world that allowed something like this to occur and validate you.
I'm pretty sure this is what happened at Wizards :
1 :''Hey, we should bring back Leyline of the Void in Standard and for New Extended''
2 :''Maybe, but we can't just bring it back like that. It was part of the Ravnican cycle of Leylines''
1 :''Who wants another rare cycle in M2011 ?''
All :''Yaaaaaaaaay''
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I'm sure you can think of something by yourself.
Eldrazi's won't be coming back with this thing out. This is exactly what we needed... Wizards are really starting to become clever with this sort of thing, and Black Leyline was one of the more useful ones to use too!
This kills off a vengevine's second ability, but it's still a 4/3 haste. Vengevines are still essentially getting a 1-up in this situation.
While this is true, decks can often sacrifice card advantage to handle card their deck have problems with. For example, every time you cast Path to Exile you 2-for-1 yourself, but it's ok because you buy time to use DoJ or planeswalkers to gain it back. The same way, a black deck can beat the Vengevine deck with other 2-for-1's like Consuming Vapors and Sign in Blood that were previously not enough because you just kept losing to Vengevine recursion. Another example is that faeries might use this in double standard to handle the very problematic Punishing Fire/Grove of the Burnwillow combo
But with that being said, the problem with this is that if you draw 2 Leyline of the Void and your opponent draws 0 Vengevines, it's very doubtful the rest of your deck can compensate for the double mulligan. It will remain a narrow sideboard card against decks that entirely rely on their graveyard, and since their currently aren't any in standard it won't be played.
I just hope they're not printing this as a preemptive safety measure against Goyf. I mean, Leyline of the Void and Bojuka Bog are powerful graveyard hosers, but the only way Goyf will be safe to print is if there's literally too much viable graveyard hate to make ANY graveyard-focused card worth running.
As several people have mentioned, there are other answers for Vengevine. Also Leyline of the Void isn't really a more elegant answer than the others.
So, does anyone think this card may be getting a reprint primarily as an answer for mill decks? Or, that the card's best application is in mill decks?
Eldrazi graveyard shufflers aren't seeing too much play, but they are pretty nasty hosers against mill, and drop into any sideboard pretty painlessly. The existing answers to them are all pretty awkward - LotV seems a much more elegant solution.
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ive been hearing from people at my lgs that this is such a fake card and that i shouldn't believe it. i hope they are wrong because i hate vengevine so much
Ugggh. This was my least favorite of the leylines. I enjoy playing decks that rely heavily on recursion in order to do interesting things. Some Timmy randomly including this in their deck makes the game much less fun.
I was cautiously optimistic when I saw the new blue leyine, as I enjoy the leylines that open up new deck types rather than the ones that shut down deck types. This one and the red one don't seem terribly fun.
A certain helm getting reprinted in a certain artifact-heavy set would make for some fun combo decks. :]
only problem with this idea is that Helm of Obedience is currently on the reserved list. So I don't see it getting reprinted anytime soon.
The thing with this Leyline is that I think it was primarily printed in the set for two reasons. One Wizards probably included it in the set as a last minute measure against the Eldrazi Titans which they probably realized a little too late were toooo good over what they thought they were. Wizards probably didn't expect them to see any competitive play. Yet they ended up seeing plenty of competitive play in just about EVERY competitive format. Some formats they are actually getting cheated into play using methods that actually "cast" them via things like mosswort bridge or shelldock isle. Neither of which were probably considered when Wizards were designing these cards. As such I think the Leyline of the Void was necessary to nerf these cards.
The second reason was of course things like Vengevine, and the ability to enable Blue's primary win condition that Wizards seems to want to endorse... Milling. Which is hard to do with the Eldrazi Titans and other methods of recycling the Graveyard in the game.
I don't think it was needed in Standard, but it was the best leyline of the old cycle and the only one to see some serious play,
Then I suppose it's possible that this one is real. I had thought it bizarre that the new set would have a cycle of five Leylines, one of which is a reprint, but the fact you cite is the one good excuse for that.
It's still pretty unprecedented, though, for a new cycle to include some, but not all, members of an old cycle. Of course, it takes the new-style Core Set to even make that possible.
Then I suppose it's possible that this one is real. I had thought it bizarre that the new set would have a cycle of five Leylines, one of which is a reprint, but the fact you cite is the one good excuse for that.
It's still pretty unprecedented, though, for a new cycle to include some, but not all, members of an old cycle. Of course, it takes the new-style Core Set to even make that possible.
The enemy colour hosers from Tenth Edtion (and Coldsnap) were changed around in M10. Granted the M10 hosers were all reprints except Mold Adder.
Certainly not the exact same thing but it's not much of a stretch for R&D to do this.
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I just hope they're not printing this as a preemptive safety measure against Goyf. I mean, Leyline of the Void and Bojuka Bog are powerful graveyard hosers, but the only way Goyf will be safe to print is if there's literally too much viable graveyard hate to make ANY graveyard-focused card worth running.
We were just talking about this at FNM. Would goyf warp standard if reprinted now? Sure seems with all the graveyard hate goyfs return could be upon us.
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Considering Leyline of the Void saw about 10000% more play than the others did, it makes sense.
Excellent reprint. Good against a variety of strategies, and the new art is very pretty (the Guildpact art wouldn't make much sense outside of Ravnica).
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This is going to be nice against Vengie, though black already has a few tricks up its sleeves...
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Are there any other narrow abilities Black has that could actually be used on a potentially free card other than graveyard hate?
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Read leyline of the void again:
"If a card would be put into an opponents graveyard from anywhere, exile it insteald."
You dont screw YOUR graveyard.
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1 :''Hey, we should bring back Leyline of the Void in Standard and for New Extended''
2 :''Maybe, but we can't just bring it back like that. It was part of the Ravnican cycle of Leylines''
1 :''Who wants another rare cycle in M2011 ?''
All :''Yaaaaaaaaay''
I'm sure you can think of something by yourself.
While this is true, decks can often sacrifice card advantage to handle card their deck have problems with. For example, every time you cast Path to Exile you 2-for-1 yourself, but it's ok because you buy time to use DoJ or planeswalkers to gain it back. The same way, a black deck can beat the Vengevine deck with other 2-for-1's like Consuming Vapors and Sign in Blood that were previously not enough because you just kept losing to Vengevine recursion. Another example is that faeries might use this in double standard to handle the very problematic Punishing Fire/Grove of the Burnwillow combo
But with that being said, the problem with this is that if you draw 2 Leyline of the Void and your opponent draws 0 Vengevines, it's very doubtful the rest of your deck can compensate for the double mulligan. It will remain a narrow sideboard card against decks that entirely rely on their graveyard, and since their currently aren't any in standard it won't be played.
I can't recall this type of move before, but I love it.
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So, does anyone think this card may be getting a reprint primarily as an answer for mill decks? Or, that the card's best application is in mill decks?
Eldrazi graveyard shufflers aren't seeing too much play, but they are pretty nasty hosers against mill, and drop into any sideboard pretty painlessly. The existing answers to them are all pretty awkward - LotV seems a much more elegant solution.
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I was cautiously optimistic when I saw the new blue leyine, as I enjoy the leylines that open up new deck types rather than the ones that shut down deck types. This one and the red one don't seem terribly fun.
only problem with this idea is that Helm of Obedience is currently on the reserved list. So I don't see it getting reprinted anytime soon.
The thing with this Leyline is that I think it was primarily printed in the set for two reasons. One Wizards probably included it in the set as a last minute measure against the Eldrazi Titans which they probably realized a little too late were toooo good over what they thought they were. Wizards probably didn't expect them to see any competitive play. Yet they ended up seeing plenty of competitive play in just about EVERY competitive format. Some formats they are actually getting cheated into play using methods that actually "cast" them via things like mosswort bridge or shelldock isle. Neither of which were probably considered when Wizards were designing these cards. As such I think the Leyline of the Void was necessary to nerf these cards.
The second reason was of course things like Vengevine, and the ability to enable Blue's primary win condition that Wizards seems to want to endorse... Milling. Which is hard to do with the Eldrazi Titans and other methods of recycling the Graveyard in the game.
The eldrazi will get exiled ???
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They get exiled INSTEAD of going to the grave. They never touch the grave.
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It's still pretty unprecedented, though, for a new cycle to include some, but not all, members of an old cycle. Of course, it takes the new-style Core Set to even make that possible.
The enemy colour hosers from Tenth Edtion (and Coldsnap) were changed around in M10. Granted the M10 hosers were all reprints except Mold Adder.
Certainly not the exact same thing but it's not much of a stretch for R&D to do this.
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We were just talking about this at FNM. Would goyf warp standard if reprinted now? Sure seems with all the graveyard hate goyfs return could be upon us.