Somehow, not really impressed. Sure, it's a 5/5 for 4 and that's decent, but it's not overwhelmlingly broken(terror-resistant 5/5 combat math screwer for 3 is somewhat broken) - just good. And not as good as Rumbling Slum 'cause the days of countermagic's glory are long gone. And let mind you that Slum, while being good, was far from auto inclusion and most of the time he was sitting in the sideboard, while Giant Solifuge ran in the main. Well, that was meta-dependant but still currently being 5/5 for 4 means something but not as much it meant in Juzam Djinn days.
So it's like Vexing Shusher - seemed good, tons of hype, little to no play.
Yes, because we can totally tell how standard will be after ARB comes out, and M10 comes out, and LOR block rotates, yes.
We can compare Colossus to Solifuge, and I don't see this replacing Colossus, but when Colossus goes bye-bye, some decks will SB this guy, or, depending on build, MD him.
Shusher is bad for a couple of reasons:
-Isn't a threat on its own
-Easy to remove
-Uses mana for uncounterability
-Guttoral Response is usually more useful
Behemoth is a threat on its own, is harder to remove, gives free uncounterability to thoctars and any other playable 5ers, and is a far better inclusion than response.
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I agree with urzassedatives its too early to predict the meta. That said I think spell breaker may find a home in Naya ramp deck, where broodmate isn't an option and may allow for some bigger threats because you don't have to worry as much about remove soul, it also makes threshers even better againist faeries. It also wouldn't suprise me to see a deck after rotation, that goes, t1 bird, t2 woolly thoctar, t3 spellbreaker, t4 cliffrunner behemoth.
Its definately going to into my mayeal EDH deck, I love how many people are excited about it just for that format.
Shusher is bad for a couple of reasons:
-Isn't a threat on its own
-Easy to remove
-Uses mana for uncounterability
-Guttoral Response is usually more useful
- 2/2 for 2 is as much of a threat as is 5/5 for 4.
- at turn 4+ it shouldn't be hard to remove a mere 5/5. especially since in block(which I play a lot and by that means I have a little bit of future sight) there's little burn and lots of "rfg" or "destroy" removal.
- yeah, but Slum was end of the curve in tier-1 decks, so the questiong is how many 5+ power creatures you're going to play after playing Behemoth?
Hm, I like it. This makes me want to break out my playset of Rumbling Slums and make some kind of casual 5 power deck. *Goes to look up all of the 5 power card support for standard*
Edit: Also, how the heck did someone get a hold of this card already?
Love it. It is always great to see a dedicated anti-counter card that is still aggressive enough to be maindecked. And one could probably count on one hand the number of cards that fit into that category...
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I agree with urzassedatives its too early to predict the meta. That said I think spell breaker may find a home in Naya ramp deck, where broodmate isn't an option and may allow for some bigger threats because you don't have to worry as much about remove soul, it also makes threshers even better againist faeries. It also wouldn't suprise me to see a deck after rotation, that goes, t1 bird, t2 woolly thoctar, t3 spellbreaker, t4 cliffrunner behemoth.
Its definately going to into my mayeal EDH deck, I love how many people are excited about it just for that format.
- 2/2 for 2 is as much of a threat as is 5/5 for 4.
Because there are so many 5/5s for 4 compared to bears...
A 5/5 dropping on turn 3 (in most decks that would run it) starts a 4 turn clock. That is a threat. A 2/2 on turn 2 is a 10 turn clock, and probably won't be sideways once a creature is on the other side of the board.
- at turn 4+ it shouldn't be hard to remove a mere 5/5. especially since in block(which I play a lot and by that means I have a little bit of future sight) there's little burn and lots of "rfg" or "destroy" removal.
'Creature dies to removal, etc. argument' My point is still valid, it dies to much less than a 2/2 would.
- yeah, but Slum was end of the curve in tier-1 decks, so the questiong is how many 5+ power creatures you're going to play after playing Behemoth?
Depends on the deck. More thoctars, threshers, maybe a meglonoth? We'll see. Standard is different now than it was then, and will be different when ARB is added to it.
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Oh... man. That's bad ass, I think it may be the first 4-drop critter I put in my post-rotation Skittles deck. Uncounterable fat is bad ass, making other fatties uncounterable for free is priceless :D. Meglonoth is definitely more playable with this monkey, not to mention uncounterable Woolly Thoctars, or etc. etc. Man, very nice spoil.
... and if I see more stuff like this, I may have to go back on my claim not to buy ARB. If all these multi-colors are so freaking efficient for their costs, I may have no choice. Wow.
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Ok, that was a joke, there isnt anything really there.
All jokes aside, fattie beatdown JUST came back. after years of getting my huge lamesacks countered, after wrath and cryptic embarrassed any creature I have with higher than 3 cmc, I finally feel at home playing my beats decks again. This card is gonig to cost more than Thornling or Co-Co. Its huge for its cost (which easily could have made it rare just for that) and it adds anti-counter. I would MD three of these just because, even if I was fighting a black deck. >_< Like some said earlier, T1 birds, T2 Thocktar, T3 this Guy, win with Cliffrunner.
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In all honesty, If you play blue at all, you cant see what's terribly wrong about counterspells in standard. counterspells are supposed to be held until and use conservatively on unexpected complete BOMBS to foil thier plans, and not agaisnt every other card the person plays(including lands, lol). Besides, Blue has other ways of handling threads that have yet to see play- Bouncing. Im sure poeple will Disperse this soon.
Removal is standard is so cost efficient and so cheap that huge creatures solely allocated to R and/or G are necessary to even make the cards they play worth the bang of their buck. Im sure after ARB comes out, Wrath will come back and replace Volcanic, (which also is better, because then they cant use ((mass))removal at instant speed if they want to wipe the field) Because of this card in specific. Blue at the moment is too convenient and versatile when it comes to saying "No" to everything, and it needs some bottlenecking. I think cards like this will do it.
Next thing they need is a WG card like:
WG Blessing of the Behemoth
Creatures you control get +0/+1.
Whenever you play a creature spell with 5 power or greater, draw a card.
It's understandable blue control players would be shocked and in denial at the notion of this card, since their decks have been dominating multiple formats for an eternity yet they've curiously never once had to deal with any counter-hosers that weren't ineffectual, narrow CRAP.
RE: Uncounterable 'Goyfs- I'm not certain that works. Pretty sure that the Goyf has a "printed" toughness of 0 until its in play. Anyone have a more exact answer?
I love that having a CCD in your casting cost is no longer considered a drawback. By some of the logic I'm seeing, Maelstrom Archangel is in the running as most uber creature of all time- Its a 5/5 flier that makes the rest of your deck free and only costs 5 mana!
Particularly strange because as I understand it a 5-color mana base is not exactly stretching these days. That being said, maybe all those Archangels were just getting countered and the Spellbreaker is what will make them playable.
Been awhile since we saw a playable 4 mana 5/5 in these colors...Rumbling Slum.
I may or may not pull slum out of my Mayael EDH for this guy.
Or run both...why not.
The 4 drop 5 power guys are actually getting easy to fill in Mayael EDH, aren't they.
RE: Uncounterable 'Goyfs- I'm not certain that works. Pretty sure that the Goyf has a "printed" toughness of 0 until its in play. Anyone have a more exact answer?
From a Cranial Insertion article on this site: "Tarmogoyf's characteristic-defining ability (CDA) that sets its power and toughness functions in all zones. So even though its power and toughness are rarely relevant outside of the in-play zone, those values are known when certain effects come around asking questions."
Spellbreaker Behemoth + Tarmogoyf seems fun for extended.
Wow, I can see this getting some heavy play, especially after rotation. We should all thank wizards for putting an awesome creature in an intro pack (for once).
*rant* At first 3/3 for 2 with no drawback, then 5/4 for 3 with no drawback, then 5/5 for four with no drawback, but instead a huge bonus ? [taken into account the land insanity] :/ I don't like where this is going :/
You serious?
Rumbling Slum came out well before this guy, and its ability is hardly ever seen as a drawback. Chameleon Colossus is a far better example of creep than this card is. Colossus may not be a 5/5, but it certainly is more powerful.
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You serious?
Rumbling Slum came out well before this guy, and its ability is hardly ever seen as a drawback. Chameleon Colossus is a far better example of creep than this card is. Colossus may not be a 5/5, but it certainly is more powerful.
I disagree. Protection from black doesn't mean what it used to mean. Chameleon Colossus is weaker than this guy both on a power standpoint and an ability. Pro black only really means jump over faeire tokens since most decks will run agony or nameless over terror. While any deck that runs blue will have counterspells.
I really like this card, but I do find that even though it and other high powered creatures wont be countered they still fall short to wrath of god, PTE, Celestial Purge, Condem, etc. But 4 for a 5/5 beast is retarded w/ nice mods. Me likey.
Any and everything that is specifically designed to hurt blue is a good thing. Blue is by far the least fun color in magic and should be systematically and gradually killed off.
I disagree. Protection from black doesn't mean what it used to mean. Chameleon Colossus is weaker than this guy both on a power standpoint and an ability. Pro black only really means jump over faeire tokens since most decks will run agony or nameless over terror. While any deck that runs blue will have counterspells.
Why would it matter if decks use Agony or Nameless? They can't even target Colossus, and if they could, it wouldn't kill it. It's just less the Colossus has to deal with. Against a deck with no black and no counters it boils down to:
Colossus 2GG
Changeling
2GG: ~ gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is its power.
4/4
and
Behemoth 1GGR
5/5
Would you rather have the somewhat easier to cast Colossus with abilities that can be useful (and almost always are) or a 5/5 for 4 with no abilities that is harder to cast.
i see this card becoming liek a shiled for vs control magic decks. not to mention bad cards. but what about Kamal pit fighter?, hellkite over lord, uncounterable demigod that silly cliffrunner behemoth. i say let the fatties hit the board ^.^ im so stoked over alara reborn its not event funny. Standards as we know it will change. I sense doom vs 5cc seriously. naya is gonna be uber powered and jund looks lik its gonna follow suit.
whats next the other 4 cards in intro packs gonna be nuclear game breaking cards too? cant wait till april 24 to play these silly cards now and there hass only been 3 spoiled cards rofl
Yes, because we can totally tell how standard will be after ARB comes out, and M10 comes out, and LOR block rotates, yes.
We can compare Colossus to Solifuge, and I don't see this replacing Colossus, but when Colossus goes bye-bye, some decks will SB this guy, or, depending on build, MD him.
Shusher is bad for a couple of reasons:
-Isn't a threat on its own
-Easy to remove
-Uses mana for uncounterability
-Guttoral Response is usually more useful
Behemoth is a threat on its own, is harder to remove, gives free uncounterability to thoctars and any other playable 5ers, and is a far better inclusion than response.
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Its not utterly devastating as many have pointed out.
But just the fact that it adds more ommph to the 5/5 strategy (Naya's theme) that makes me happy
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Its definately going to into my mayeal EDH deck, I love how many people are excited about it just for that format.
- 2/2 for 2 is as much of a threat as is 5/5 for 4.
- at turn 4+ it shouldn't be hard to remove a mere 5/5. especially since in block(which I play a lot and by that means I have a little bit of future sight) there's little burn and lots of "rfg" or "destroy" removal.
- yeah, but Slum was end of the curve in tier-1 decks, so the questiong is how many 5+ power creatures you're going to play after playing Behemoth?
Edit: Also, how the heck did someone get a hold of this card already?
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In other thoughts...I wonder who is going to get DCI-banned for this one.
Uncounterable 'thresher is wonderful indeed.
Because there are so many 5/5s for 4 compared to bears...
A 5/5 dropping on turn 3 (in most decks that would run it) starts a 4 turn clock. That is a threat. A 2/2 on turn 2 is a 10 turn clock, and probably won't be sideways once a creature is on the other side of the board.
'Creature dies to removal, etc. argument' My point is still valid, it dies to much less than a 2/2 would.
Depends on the deck. More thoctars, threshers, maybe a meglonoth? We'll see. Standard is different now than it was then, and will be different when ARB is added to it.
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... and if I see more stuff like this, I may have to go back on my claim not to buy ARB. If all these multi-colors are so freaking efficient for their costs, I may have no choice. Wow.
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Ok, that was a joke, there isnt anything really there.
All jokes aside, fattie beatdown JUST came back. after years of getting my huge lamesacks countered, after wrath and cryptic embarrassed any creature I have with higher than 3 cmc, I finally feel at home playing my beats decks again. This card is gonig to cost more than Thornling or Co-Co. Its huge for its cost (which easily could have made it rare just for that) and it adds anti-counter. I would MD three of these just because, even if I was fighting a black deck. >_< Like some said earlier, T1 birds, T2 Thocktar, T3 this Guy, win with Cliffrunner.
(IN REGARDS TO BLUE GETTING SAT ON)
In all honesty, If you play blue at all, you cant see what's terribly wrong about counterspells in standard. counterspells are supposed to be held until and use conservatively on unexpected complete BOMBS to foil thier plans, and not agaisnt every other card the person plays(including lands, lol). Besides, Blue has other ways of handling threads that have yet to see play- Bouncing. Im sure poeple will Disperse this soon.
Removal is standard is so cost efficient and so cheap that huge creatures solely allocated to R and/or G are necessary to even make the cards they play worth the bang of their buck. Im sure after ARB comes out, Wrath will come back and replace Volcanic, (which also is better, because then they cant use ((mass))removal at instant speed if they want to wipe the field) Because of this card in specific. Blue at the moment is too convenient and versatile when it comes to saying "No" to everything, and it needs some bottlenecking. I think cards like this will do it.
Next thing they need is a WG card like:
WG Blessing of the Behemoth
Creatures you control get +0/+1.
Whenever you play a creature spell with 5 power or greater, draw a card.
I love that having a CCD in your casting cost is no longer considered a drawback. By some of the logic I'm seeing, Maelstrom Archangel is in the running as most uber creature of all time- Its a 5/5 flier that makes the rest of your deck free and only costs 5 mana!
Particularly strange because as I understand it a 5-color mana base is not exactly stretching these days. That being said, maybe all those Archangels were just getting countered and the Spellbreaker is what will make them playable.
first counters are long gone like Itsar, the Laughing One said , and the ability is not good either.
it doesn't even have trample or haste
The 4 drop 5 power guys are actually getting easy to fill in Mayael EDH, aren't they.
I can't wait to get one of these!!!
From a Cranial Insertion article on this site: "Tarmogoyf's characteristic-defining ability (CDA) that sets its power and toughness functions in all zones. So even though its power and toughness are rarely relevant outside of the in-play zone, those values are known when certain effects come around asking questions."
Spellbreaker Behemoth + Tarmogoyf seems fun for extended.
You serious?
Rumbling Slum came out well before this guy, and its ability is hardly ever seen as a drawback. Chameleon Colossus is a far better example of creep than this card is. Colossus may not be a 5/5, but it certainly is more powerful.
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Definitely picking up a playset, even though I don't actually own a deck that plays his colours at the moment. >_>
I disagree. Protection from black doesn't mean what it used to mean. Chameleon Colossus is weaker than this guy both on a power standpoint and an ability. Pro black only really means jump over faeire tokens since most decks will run agony or nameless over terror. While any deck that runs blue will have counterspells.
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Why would it matter if decks use Agony or Nameless? They can't even target Colossus, and if they could, it wouldn't kill it. It's just less the Colossus has to deal with. Against a deck with no black and no counters it boils down to:
Colossus 2GG
Changeling
2GG: ~ gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is its power.
4/4
and
Behemoth 1GGR
5/5
Would you rather have the somewhat easier to cast Colossus with abilities that can be useful (and almost always are) or a 5/5 for 4 with no abilities that is harder to cast.
whats next the other 4 cards in intro packs gonna be nuclear game breaking cards too? cant wait till april 24 to play these silly cards now and there hass only been 3 spoiled cards rofl
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