Except that the cards "Ajani Goldmane" and "Ajani Vengeant" have two different names, and so can be in play at the same time. Just like "Ertai, Wizard Adept" and "Ertai the Corrupted."
EXCEPT (I can say that too), they both have the name "Ajani" in their typeline... So no. They can't be. Read the Planeswalker FAQs.
And my whole point is that Wizards did the right thing by making it work that way, and that having two Ertais (or any other Legend in different "forms") was always terrible from a flavorful perspective.
That mutavault or Chameleon colossus still gets to attack once - this just prevents it from untaping afterwards. It's just a pacifism that lets up after you use another ability.
Why is that bad for a +1 ability? You know. Especially when you "let up" to A) Kill the creature with a Lightning Helix, or B) Destroy all their lands. Imho, it's a very aggressive +1 ability. And being able to hit players with that Lightning Helix is a bigger deal than people realize too.
Now hopefully people will start to see the point of the PW rule (which is far better than the Legend Rule) now that we have two versions of the same walker. Down side now we will have to see speculation threads about which dark version PW's we will see in the next set untill the end of time (or Magic) .
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Red gets resource denial, primarily in lands and artifacts. Red gets to deny creatures in the from of preventing them from blocking or ruining their day. I don't think red should ever straight up get lock-down, nor would it be printable as hybrid, but lock-down has a red tinge to it.
The only thing that red doesn't typically get to mess with is enchantments, which tapping them very rarely has any significance.
The first ability is also stronger than people give it credit for. It won't break the format open, but it's annoying when you put your opponent back a land drop each turn while you build up to completely uncounterable mana denial.
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The first ability is also stronger than people give it credit for. It won't break the format open, but it's annoying when you put your opponent back a land drop each turn while you build up to completely uncounterable mana denial.
It'd be especially annoying with Moonhold, which is in the same colours...
Now hopefully people will start to see the point of the PW rule (which is far better than the Legend Rule) now that we have two versions of the same walker. Down side now we will have to see speculation threads about which dark version PW's we will see in the next set untill the end of time (or Magic) .
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I'm still disappointed that you can't have out both Ajani's at the same time; I've seen Goldmane used extremely well as a white staller along with other techniques to get and give the avatar token vigilance and "can block any number of creatures," and take over any game that isn't immediately won. Ajani Vengeant really should be allowed to be played alongside his "real" planeswalker self. Teferi was able to exist in Magic alongside his pre-planeswalker self, so why can't Ajani?
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Do you even know what an elipsis is? And second of all, did you actually read what I typed?
I never said Ajani's ability was bad, I said it wasn't as good as people were saying it was. In fact, it can't be as good as people are saying it is because if it is the best +1 ability, then Wizards straight up lied about mythics not being tournament staples. If the +1 is really better than Garruks then this walker will be played and Wizards stated multiple times that Garruk was pushed and thusly, Wizards has already lied to us.
I don't however think that the abiity is better than Garruks, and I don't think most people think that either.
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Woah... I mean, woah. He's mythic for a good reason. I may not like the old Ajani that much but sha-bang this version is so much better, no untap, helix, and land boom? I say Hell yes my good sir! To top it off it makes the PW Rule MUCH more releveant then simply blowing each other to high heaven. I can't wait for the prerelease now!
I think the card is quite good. In a R/W aggro deck (the way aggro decks are going these days they're running a lot higher curves) I can imagine Ajani being on the top of the curve to out-tempo mid-range and finish them off with spammable Helix. In a R/W/x control deck (like maybe an Angelfire redux) it can come down again as huge tempo advantage. Using the last ability is unlikely but it's a pretty strong card, less creature dependent than the original Ajani and can pseudo defend itself.
[. . .][T]he first ability can be stretched to be red.
Red gets resource denial, primarily in lands and artifacts. Red gets to deny creatures in the from of preventing them from blocking or ruining their day. I don't think red should ever straight up get lock-down, nor would it be printable as hybrid, but lock-down has a red tinge to it.
You know Green gets to destroy lands, belaying your game and screwing with your mana, and hates out artifacts and enchantments and has shroud to stop your spells. Mana Leak is so Green-tinted I don't know why we haven't seen it for yet.
Let's just remember this Ajani is White too and leave it at that.
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I never said Ajani's ability was bad, I said it wasn't as good as people were saying it was. In fact, it can't be as good as people are saying it is because if it is the best +1 ability, then Wizards straight up lied about mythics not being tournament staples. If the +1 is really better than Garruks then this walker will be played and Wizards stated multiple times that Garruk was pushed and thusly, Wizards has already lied to us.
What they said was that they won't be utillity cards like Mutavault, duals etc. The one thing Mythic rares will be is Epic, larger than life, in a word - Timmy; that doesn't preclude them from becoming well-played tournament cards like Garruk, Dragonstorm, Akroma, Wrath of God, etc, though it does mean they will have their fair share of jank too.
Imagine a PW duel between Ajani Vengeant (It makes more sense in Japanese or French, being Ajani while hes Vengeant) and Garruk.
Garruk: I untap 2 lands your turn to do something spectacular
Vengeant: I cause you to be unable to untap
Garruk: Ok........ I summon my buffalos
Vengeant: I use my laz0r beams to kill your buffalo killing it and increasing my vitality
Garruk: DAMN YOU, IT WAS YOU DAMNED DIRTY APES ALL ALONG WIPING OUT THE BUFFALOS.
If Kresh had more than 3 toughness, I'd say he'd see play too. But 5 mana for a 3/3 makes him so vulnerable to basic removal that its really not a great investment. I know everything dies, but not everything dies equally
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I’m calling bad card unless there is another card that comes out to make it good. It is just really inefficient for its cost. 4-mana for an easily destroyed pacifism is just bad, and you are extremely unlikely to ever reach Armageddon loyalty. The lightning helix is nice, but balefire liege is probably better at giving the same thing, although it is possible they could go well together, which is what I was talking about. Intrinsically, it is a bad card, imo, but it could see play if it has good synergy with a deck, or if a card comes out that lets you have a decent chance of getting to its third ability.
so if he's red-white, and Vol is red-green, does that mean that we're going to have 10 planeswalkers? It's the only logical way they can have equal representation of colors for a planeswalker cycle
Do you even know what an elipsis is? And second of all, did you actually read what I typed?
I never said Ajani's ability was bad, I said it wasn't as good as people were saying it was. In fact, it can't be as good as people are saying it is because if it is the best +1 ability, then Wizards straight up lied about mythics not being tournament staples. If the +1 is really better than Garruks then this walker will be played and Wizards stated multiple times that Garruk was pushed and thusly, Wizards has already lied to us.
I don't however think that the abiity is better than Garruks, and I don't think most people think that either.
Wizards lie, WHA?!?!?!!? Mythic tournament staples, WHA?!!??!! If you really thought that there was never going to be a mythic rare that was going to be a tournament staple, you were delusional. At least the majority of PWs and Legendary creatures are going to be mythic, chances are they'll make some of them good. And as far as +1 abilities Garruk doesn't have the best, sure its good, but Ajani's ability shuts down an actual card creature or land, while Garruks just doing what you probably already are in green.
WOW! I have to say, I really like this card. I'm very surprised about the color combo but it makes sense given his title. Every ability is great. I really hope R/W control becomes viable.
Also, it seems I was totally wrong about Ajani. I thought they were going to show him "pre-walker"...should be interesting to see what they do about the story then. I like the other art we've see on the Ultrapro products better...
so if he's red-white, and Vol is red-green, does that mean that we're going to have 10 planeswalkers? It's the only logical way they can have equal representation of colors for a planeswalker cycle
Probably not, probably just five allie colors and then possably next time PW's come around 5 enemy colors.
EXCEPT (I can say that too), they both have the name "Ajani" in their typeline... So no. They can't be. Read the Planeswalker FAQs.
And my whole point is that Wizards did the right thing by making it work that way, and that having two Ertais (or any other Legend in different "forms") was always terrible from a flavorful perspective.
Why is that bad for a +1 ability? You know. Especially when you "let up" to A) Kill the creature with a Lightning Helix, or B) Destroy all their lands. Imho, it's a very aggressive +1 ability. And being able to hit players with that Lightning Helix is a bigger deal than people realize too.
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Now hopefully people will start to see the point of the PW rule (which is far better than the Legend Rule) now that we have two versions of the same walker. Down side now we will have to see speculation threads about which dark version PW's we will see in the next set untill the end of time (or Magic) .
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Depends on how lonely he gets.
And the first ability can be stretched to be red.
Red gets resource denial, primarily in lands and artifacts. Red gets to deny creatures in the from of preventing them from blocking or ruining their day. I don't think red should ever straight up get lock-down, nor would it be printable as hybrid, but lock-down has a red tinge to it.
The only thing that red doesn't typically get to mess with is enchantments, which tapping them very rarely has any significance.
The first ability is also stronger than people give it credit for. It won't break the format open, but it's annoying when you put your opponent back a land drop each turn while you build up to completely uncounterable mana denial.
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It'd be especially annoying with Moonhold, which is in the same colours...
End of time will come first. Then, when statebased effects are checked, Magic will go to the graveyard, ceasing to exist, beacause it isn't attached to anthing.
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Also he looks ALOT younger than his Lorwyn form, does that mean that Shards are after Lorwyn?
Do you even know what an elipsis is? And second of all, did you actually read what I typed?
I never said Ajani's ability was bad, I said it wasn't as good as people were saying it was. In fact, it can't be as good as people are saying it is because if it is the best +1 ability, then Wizards straight up lied about mythics not being tournament staples. If the +1 is really better than Garruks then this walker will be played and Wizards stated multiple times that Garruk was pushed and thusly, Wizards has already lied to us.
I don't however think that the abiity is better than Garruks, and I don't think most people think that either.
Woah... I mean, woah. He's mythic for a good reason. I may not like the old Ajani that much but sha-bang this version is so much better, no untap, helix, and land boom? I say Hell yes my good sir! To top it off it makes the PW Rule MUCH more releveant then simply blowing each other to high heaven. I can't wait for the prerelease now!
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This guy has loyalty 3, that's going to be the biggest thing keeping him down. The abilities are so great.
You know Green gets to destroy lands, belaying your game and screwing with your mana, and hates out artifacts and enchantments and has shroud to stop your spells. Mana Leak is so Green-tinted I don't know why we haven't seen it for yet.
Let's just remember this Ajani is White too and leave it at that.
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What they said was that they won't be utillity cards like Mutavault, duals etc. The one thing Mythic rares will be is Epic, larger than life, in a word - Timmy; that doesn't preclude them from becoming well-played tournament cards like Garruk, Dragonstorm, Akroma, Wrath of God, etc, though it does mean they will have their fair share of jank too.
Garruk: I untap 2 lands your turn to do something spectacular
Vengeant: I cause you to be unable to untap
Garruk: Ok........ I summon my buffalos
Vengeant: I use my laz0r beams to kill your buffalo killing it and increasing my vitality
Garruk: DAMN YOU, IT WAS YOU DAMNED DIRTY APES ALL ALONG WIPING OUT THE BUFFALOS.
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He won't be that expensive, given the additional supply from being given away at both the prerelease and release events.
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Probably not, probably just five allie colors and then possably next time PW's come around 5 enemy colors.