That Morningtide symbol reminds me of the Fire Nation's emblem in Avatar: the Last Airbender.
But I guess there isn't much room for creativity when making a flame.
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I get 1 for 2.50, which is equal to 4 for 10. You have to go back to Onslaught to have to pay 3.99 for boosters.
Funny you should mention Onslaught..lol...the same shop has a bit of old inventory (new owner..well...new old owner..it's hard to explain..lol) and you can get Onslaught, Scourge, 5th Dawn, Prophecy, and Nemesis packs for $1.95 (I've been buying up the Onslaught and Scourge..lol). I've pulled a couple of Fetchies at that price...talk about making your money back on a pack. ;).
Here in Honduras the price of a Lorwyn booster is about $4.50, the Time Spiral's booster is about $3.95. Though I get 'em for $3.40 because the store owner is my cousin :p.
By the way, boosters/boxes can’t be shipped overseas. I think it happens due to translators’ license and local retailers. That’s bad, because I really don’t like Portuguese cards (in fact, I learned English playing Magic!), don’t like the price, don’t like the internal shipping prices ($ 4 if the singles came from Maine x $ 8,6 if the singles came from a place located 3 hours/car from my home…)
That’s why I buy singles from overseas.
Note: I cracked only 2 PLC packs – the first one came with 1 Damnation and 1 Foil Mana Tithe.
I should crack more packs…
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I get a pretty good deal here. My local shop owner sells packs ofr $3 dollars, or 7 for $20. I guess he's been doing it like this for years, and he's kept it the same through all of the price increases. It definitely creates consumer loyalty!
Aren't your prices going down now because of the huge increase of the Euro's value in comparison to the US dollar? I'm wondering if the Cdn $ will affect pack prices here now that it's over parity with the US...
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My Currency bad experience: If they got a reason (not even good) to raise the price of packs, they will (and won’t think twice). If there’s a good reason for lowering prices, they won’t do it (maybe after some riots, natural disasters and related stuff, but just maybe…)
IMHO, I don’t believe on the chorus “Let’s stop buying until they set fair prices on packs”, because people just don’t do it, and because it never works.
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By the way, boosters/boxes can’t be shipped overseas. I think it happens due to translators’ license and local retailers. That’s bad, because I really don’t like Portuguese cards (in fact, I learned English playing Magic!), don’t like the price, don’t like the internal shipping prices ($ 4 if the singles came from Maine x $ 8,6 if the singles came from a place located 3 hours/car from my home…)
That’s why I buy singles from overseas.
Note: I cracked only 2 PLC packs – the first one came with 1 Damnation and 1 Foil Mana Tithe.
I should crack more packs…
The odd rarity means bad rares (southern paladins, hurricanes and so on)?
There are 2 kinds of bad rares: unplayable ones (southern pally) and playable but uncommon-like rares (hurricane).
I hope it doesn't, because we already have a good number of playable commons and uncommons, 10-15 great rare cards won't hurt... It would be very cool seeing goodies on a small set.
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I wouldn't say that Southern Paladin is a bad rare at all. IHe's an excellent sideboard card against red, and a 4-mana 3/3 in white with a destroyer ability is always fun. I played him in an Alter Reality deck back in the day and he placed very nicely. At the very least he's a flagbearer against burn/goblins.
Back on topic, the distribution of Morningtide seems logical. I was hoping it might be a bit more like Coldsnap (40r, 55u, 60c) but ah well. There mihgt be more dodgy rares in there to make up numbers, but hopefully there'll be another cycle of Planeswalkers to make up for it.
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Because a set is only allowed to have a small number of good rares.
10 more rares than uncommons = 10 more filler rares than there should be
Morningtide has ten fewer rares than Future Sight. In addition, there's no reason whatsoever to believe that there's a specific cutoff number for "good rares" in a set, rather than an average number that scales to the set's size -- like how a large set generally has twice as many good rares as a small one.
In short, trying to use the number of rares in a set to determine whether it'll be a "good" set or not (rare-wise) is going to be totally fruitless.
Morningtide has ten fewer rares than Future Sight. In addition, there's no reason whatsoever to believe that there's a specific cutoff number for "good rares" in a set, rather than an average number that scales to the set's size -- like how a large set generally has twice as many good rares as a small one.
In short, trying to use the number of rares in a set to determine whether it'll be a "good" set or not (rare-wise) is going to be totally fruitless.
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I don't believe the number of rares will make Morningtide a bad set, but it will reduce the probability of getting specifically rares when you crack a pack. Also, Hurricane isn’t the worst thing ever, but is weird open a pack and gets one hurricane filling the rare slot.
If the “extra rares” (dunno if we can say so) are 5 lands + 5 regular stuff, it will be a good thing. And it can happen, cause should be 10 lands on the block, and it’s a block with two sets only…
What about 5 lands + 5 planeswalkers? It will explain the “+10” rares, and it would be very plausible, since we already have a good number of playable commons/uncommons on the meta… (And it would be awe!)
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Thanks for the advice, Charlequin...
I don't know if this has been asked or not, I don't really feel like reading through the entire topic for it. But, do you think those prices for Booster Boxes and Theme Deck Boxes sound correct. At my shop the price is like $106-$109 after tax, something like that.
I don't believe the number of rares will make Morningtide a bad set, but it will reduce the probability of getting specifically rares when you crack a pack.
I think you misunderstood the information here. Morningtide has fewer rares than any non-standalone small set since Scourge. (Coldsnap only has 40, for some odd reason.) The increase was to the number of uncommons.
I agree with the fact that more rares is not going to be good, that means that if there is another chase-rare like Thoughtseize, goofy, damnation, garruk, cryptic, damnation... do you follow me? - there shall be.period. our chances of getting one will be diminished. Ill show you, I have a group of friends, and we made a deal with our MTG dealer to buy thorough his shop 9 boxes (we thougt... u can opan a bad box like years ago, we opened a Mirrodin's without mox and oly 1 scepter, so 9 will do) we have opened only 4 Ears 6 Garruks and 10 Cryptic, but we are bathing in hideaway lands, which tells me no to crack not even 1 pack of Morningtide until I see some opened and a clear list of rares.
my recomendation?
search the prev list, locate the rares nobody is looking at yet, like the prowler and the sower (youre welcome, I know I`m late but probably in local stores they are still at a couple bucks) and buy singles, not paks.
Wow 9 boxes and your lacking in good rares, I must tell you I ordered 4 boxes from starcity and I have opened 2 fat packs and I have 8 thoughtsieze and a 4 set of every PW.
I think you misunderstood the information here. Morningtide has fewer rares than any non-standalone small set since Scourge. (Coldsnap only has 40, for some odd reason.) The increase was to the number of uncommons.
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Still, we gonna see the rest of tribal lands on MOR?
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I agree with the fact that more rares is not going to be good, that means that if there is another chase-rare like Thoughtseize, goofy, damnation, garruk, cryptic, damnation... do you follow me? - there shall be.period. our chances of getting one will be diminished. Ill show you, I have a group of friends, and we made a deal with our MTG dealer to buy thorough his shop 9 boxes (we thougt... u can opan a bad box like years ago, we opened a Mirrodin's without mox and oly 1 scepter, so 9 will do) we have opened only 4 Ears 6 Garruks and 10 Cryptic, but we are bathing in hideaway lands, which tells me no to crack not even 1 pack of Morningtide until I see some opened and a clear list of rares.
my recomendation?
search the prev list, locate the rares nobody is looking at yet, like the prowler and the sower (youre welcome, I know I`m late but probably in local stores they are still at a couple bucks) and buy singles, not paks.
In 9 boxes Lorwyn, you would expect to average 4 of each rare, so it appears you did about perhaps evn a little better than average. Also, if there are only 40 rares, then each box would probably contain something like 80-85% of the sets rares. Then again, opening boxes has generally never been a cost efficient way of getting cards you want, so you're probably right not to buy boxes.
I can't figure out what you mean here. Morningtide has 1/3 of rares, as sets usually do. Wat it doesn't have is th same number of rares and uncommons. That means that they could've gone with less arres, but didn't. So now we get a few rares that could've been uncommon and will therefore not be able to fetch any price, making them bad and worthless rares.
I think you have a somewhat inaccurate picture here. Let me see if I can clarify it.
Normally, a small set has between 55 and 60 rares. This is the only factor that affects your pack buying; when you open a pack, your chance of getting any particular rare is 1 over the number of rares in the set. That number is lower now, so your chance of getting any given rare in a specific pack is higher than in any small set (other than Coldsnap) since Scourge. That's good for you; it makes buying boxes to get desirable cards easier.
You also write this like you think that they design a set and then just assign rarities to it; that's not true. They design to fill the slots they have available. If a set has a larger uncommon sheet, it means that during design the team purposely creates more uncommon-style cards.
Even with that noted, this set actually has more uncommons than normal, and fewer commons; if they were doing what you were suggesting, it would have uncommons that should've been commons, not rares that should have been uncommons.
Morning Tide has the same amount of rares as Planar Chaos (60 common, 55 uncommon, 50 rare, 165 total) just 15 less uncommons, in fact it has the lowest uncommons since I don't know when.
This tells me you'll see more of the same uncommons when drafting -a good thing I thing, but you'll be seeing more of the same befor you get that rare you want when going through packs. Not that I mind.
I think it will have more staple -not necessarily game ending rares as it has such a high rare to common/uncommon ratio then befor (I looked as far back as kamigawa).
So a typical magic set has about
1/3 rares
1/3 commons
1/3 uncommons
But morningtide has
10/30 rares
12/30 commons
8/30 uncommons
This means that your chances of getting a specific rare is the same as any other set of the same or approximate size.
Your chance for getting an individual common is slightly less.
Your chance for getting an individual uncommon is slightly more.
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The ratio of rares to uncommons to commons doesn't really matter, A usual number of rares (and uncommons and commons) in a small set is 55 so you are slightly more likely to get a given rare in a booster than normal. You are much more likely to get a given uncommon in a pack than usual and slightly less likel to get a given common.
Oh, and Boldwyr Heavyweights contains the anagram
"A Beloved Sight, Why Wry?" Which cleary indicates that everyone should
quit arguing and just enjoy the class matters theme of
Morningtide.
phlip: You're wrong because the pact are not completly random, you know you'll have a rare, 3 uncom and 11 commons.
So, for the rare, you have 1 rare out of X rare of the set, so the odds of getting that rare is clearly 1 / X.
So, the odds of getting a Tarmogoyf in a pack of Future Sight is 1/60 = 1.7%.
The odds of getting a Thoughsize out of a pack of Lorwyn is 1/80 = 1.25%.
The odds of getting a "chase Rare" out of a pack of Morningtide is 1/50 = 2%.
MasterofPuppets:
In average, you'll need to open 80 packs before getting a specific rare you want (For Lorwyn... That's less for a set with less rare, of course!)... So, in 9boxes (324 packs), you should, in average, get 4.05 of each rare. You had:
4 Thoughseize (That's the average)
6 Garruks (That's better than the average!)
10 Cryptic (10!! That's pretty high for 9 boxes!)
So, I wouldn't be so disapointed... You did not so bad I think!
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But I guess there isn't much room for creativity when making a flame.
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Funny you should mention Onslaught..lol...the same shop has a bit of old inventory (new owner..well...new old owner..it's hard to explain..lol) and you can get Onslaught, Scourge, 5th Dawn, Prophecy, and Nemesis packs for $1.95 (I've been buying up the Onslaught and Scourge..lol). I've pulled a couple of Fetchies at that price...talk about making your money back on a pack. ;).
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Note: I cracked only 2 PLC packs – the first one came with 1 Damnation and 1 Foil Mana Tithe.
I should crack more packs…
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IMHO, I don’t believe on the chorus “Let’s stop buying until they set fair prices on packs”, because people just don’t do it, and because it never works.
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Thats exactly why you shouldn't crack more packs.
Discuss the tiny bit of Morningtide information only please.
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There are 2 kinds of bad rares: unplayable ones (southern pally) and playable but uncommon-like rares (hurricane).
I hope it doesn't, because we already have a good number of playable commons and uncommons, 10-15 great rare cards won't hurt... It would be very cool seeing goodies on a small set.
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Back on topic, the distribution of Morningtide seems logical. I was hoping it might be a bit more like Coldsnap (40r, 55u, 60c) but ah well. There mihgt be more dodgy rares in there to make up numbers, but hopefully there'll be another cycle of Planeswalkers to make up for it.
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Morningtide has ten fewer rares than Future Sight. In addition, there's no reason whatsoever to believe that there's a specific cutoff number for "good rares" in a set, rather than an average number that scales to the set's size -- like how a large set generally has twice as many good rares as a small one.
In short, trying to use the number of rares in a set to determine whether it'll be a "good" set or not (rare-wise) is going to be totally fruitless.
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I don't believe the number of rares will make Morningtide a bad set, but it will reduce the probability of getting specifically rares when you crack a pack. Also, Hurricane isn’t the worst thing ever, but is weird open a pack and gets one hurricane filling the rare slot.
If the “extra rares” (dunno if we can say so) are 5 lands + 5 regular stuff, it will be a good thing. And it can happen, cause should be 10 lands on the block, and it’s a block with two sets only…
What about 5 lands + 5 planeswalkers? It will explain the “+10” rares, and it would be very plausible, since we already have a good number of playable commons/uncommons on the meta… (And it would be awe!)
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Thanks for the advice, Charlequin...
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I think you misunderstood the information here. Morningtide has fewer rares than any non-standalone small set since Scourge. (Coldsnap only has 40, for some odd reason.) The increase was to the number of uncommons.
Wow 9 boxes and your lacking in good rares, I must tell you I ordered 4 boxes from starcity and I have opened 2 fat packs and I have 8 thoughtsieze and a 4 set of every PW.
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In 9 boxes Lorwyn, you would expect to average 4 of each rare, so it appears you did about perhaps evn a little better than average. Also, if there are only 40 rares, then each box would probably contain something like 80-85% of the sets rares. Then again, opening boxes has generally never been a cost efficient way of getting cards you want, so you're probably right not to buy boxes.
I think you have a somewhat inaccurate picture here. Let me see if I can clarify it.
Normally, a small set has between 55 and 60 rares. This is the only factor that affects your pack buying; when you open a pack, your chance of getting any particular rare is 1 over the number of rares in the set. That number is lower now, so your chance of getting any given rare in a specific pack is higher than in any small set (other than Coldsnap) since Scourge. That's good for you; it makes buying boxes to get desirable cards easier.
You also write this like you think that they design a set and then just assign rarities to it; that's not true. They design to fill the slots they have available. If a set has a larger uncommon sheet, it means that during design the team purposely creates more uncommon-style cards.
Even with that noted, this set actually has more uncommons than normal, and fewer commons; if they were doing what you were suggesting, it would have uncommons that should've been commons, not rares that should have been uncommons.
40 uncommons, 60 commons.
What?
This tells me you'll see more of the same uncommons when drafting -a good thing I thing, but you'll be seeing more of the same befor you get that rare you want when going through packs. Not that I mind.
I think it will have more staple -not necessarily game ending rares as it has such a high rare to common/uncommon ratio then befor (I looked as far back as kamigawa).
Looks more suited to drafting to me
1/3 rares
1/3 commons
1/3 uncommons
But morningtide has
10/30 rares
12/30 commons
8/30 uncommons
This means that your chances of getting a specific rare is the same as any other set of the same or approximate size.
Your chance for getting an individual common is slightly less.
Your chance for getting an individual uncommon is slightly more.
So, for the rare, you have 1 rare out of X rare of the set, so the odds of getting that rare is clearly 1 / X.
So, the odds of getting a Tarmogoyf in a pack of Future Sight is 1/60 = 1.7%.
The odds of getting a Thoughsize out of a pack of Lorwyn is 1/80 = 1.25%.
The odds of getting a "chase Rare" out of a pack of Morningtide is 1/50 = 2%.
MasterofPuppets:
In average, you'll need to open 80 packs before getting a specific rare you want (For Lorwyn... That's less for a set with less rare, of course!)... So, in 9boxes (324 packs), you should, in average, get 4.05 of each rare. You had:
4 Thoughseize (That's the average)
6 Garruks (That's better than the average!)
10 Cryptic (10!! That's pretty high for 9 boxes!)
So, I wouldn't be so disapointed... You did not so bad I think!