I know a lot of people who buy MTGO singles and say "I can cash it in for a full set of real cards later", but none who have ever done it. They've all got hundreds (or thousands) in pretend cards and justify it by saying they could make them real with just a bit of buying, trading, and paying of shipping fees. Haha!
As for version 3, hopefully this will bring about the sloppy end of a terrible idea in the first place.
I know people that make a living off of buying MTGO sets for the MTGO cost(which is cheap) and re-selling the singles from the sets in stores for their physical value.
MTGO is not going anywhere, seriously. The only advantages that paper magic has over MTGO are purely based on emotion(I get to hang out with my friends, etc). MTGO is a superior trading community, and a superior playing community. I don't foresee either of them ever being eliminated, but if it were to happen, it would be paper magic that was cancelled, not MTGO.
I know a lot of people who buy MTGO singles and say "I can cash it in for a full set of real cards later", but none who have ever done it. They've all got hundreds (or thousands) in pretend cards and justify it by saying they could make them real with just a bit of buying, trading, and paying of shipping fees. Haha!
As for version 3, hopefully this will bring about the sloppy end of a terrible idea in the first place.
I have. In fact every new set release I drop $100 on cards, play in PR drafts. Then use my drafted cards to build a set to sell on e-bay, and keep the leftovers. Generally my $100 investment returns between $80 and $130 (depending on how quickly I can build the set, and how popular the set is). I also get hours of fun and plenty of singles left over to play casual constructed with, and at worst (if I do poorly in drafts, and the set sells poorly on e-bay) it costs me $20 every three months.
I think the idea of "Fake" cards to be absurd, since all the cards are just selling the idea of value. There is nothing inherently valuable about a piece of paper with a picture on it, nor is there anything inherently valuable about a few bits flipped on a server somewhere. But the fact is a physical dollar bill and a digital dollar in my checking account are worth the same amount, but each has it's advantages-disadvantages on where to spend it. Sure I can't use my dollar bill to buy something via paypal, but then again I can't use my checking account dollar to buy something out of this vending machine.
Magic is basically the exact same thing, no cards are actually inherently valuable, except in the idea of what they represent. And both can be used in exchange for pleasure, it just depends on how you find it more convenient to 'spend'.
I play a little online and a lot in real life and I like both but the social interation aspect is the best part I mean online you cant see you opponenets look when you cream him/her
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Extended Format Changes
Friday, May 17, 2002
Kyle Murray, Magic Brand Manager
There will be a significant change to the Extended tournament format when Onslaught rotates into play in the fall. Standard has a rotation every 3 sets. Similarly, Extended will have a rotation every 3 blocks. While Standard fluctuates between 4 and 6 sets, Extended will fluctuate between 6 and 8 blocks.
At the initial implementation of this pattern, the legal blocks will be: Onslaught, Odyssey, Invasion, Mercadian Masques, Urza's Saga, and Tempest. Base set editions are counted as being part of the block during which they were released. This means that 6th Edition and 7th Edition will be included in the new Extended format.
As a result, this means that dual lands will be rotating out of Extended on November 1st, 2002, along with the Ice Age block (including Alliances and Homelands), Mirage Block (including Visions and Weatherlight), and 5th edition. In 2005 the Tempest, Urza's Saga, and Mercadian Masques blocks, as well as 6th Edition, will be rotating out.
We believe this new Extended Format rotation policy will result in a healthy and challenging play environment with a greatly reduced need for card banning.
Thats the announcement from back when. So 8th will rotate out being released during onslaught block.
"During" Onslaught block evidently meaning after Onslaught block was already over... because that's when 8th came out.
I wouldn't argue this so hard if there weren't a massive undercurrent of argument already between the people who say over and over that 8th will rotate out and the people who say over and over that it won't (including me, not that that matters much, because I could easily be wrong).
8th is right on the cusp of the cutoff, so it's understandable how people could have been confused. The current block "ends" when the next block starts, so 8th would be considered during onslaught block. Its not part of MIR block because it hadn't started yet when 8th came out.
I dont play extended so what is so important in 8th thats not in ninth that causes such arguments
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Just follow the link in post #36 to see the relevant cards rotating out. Its just like the last rotation when a lot of "power" was lost.
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I really don't care what modo 3 looks like. All I'm concerned with is server stability. I don't care if its nice and pretty. You can paint a piece of crap all nice, but in the end its still a piece of crap! and vary the premiere start times too. Why do I have to stay up until 3am on a tuesday to play in X event.? <rant off>
I know a lot of people who buy MTGO singles and say "I can cash it in for a full set of real cards later", but none who have ever done it. They've all got hundreds (or thousands) in pretend cards and justify it by saying they could make them real with just a bit of buying, trading, and paying of shipping fees. Haha!
As for version 3, hopefully this will bring about the sloppy end of a terrible idea in the first place.
HA - yeah. WoTC is gonna shut down the money maker because R_E thinks it's a terrible idea.
And I know people who pull down 3Gs a month doing exactly what you stated above. I'll bet they are laughing even harder... selling it to poor sclubs who would otherwise buy boxes upon boxes trying to put sets together.
I have. In fact every new set release I drop $100 on cards, play in PR drafts. Then use my drafted cards to build a set to sell on e-bay, and keep the leftovers. Generally my $100 investment returns between $80 and $130 (depending on how quickly I can build the set, and how popular the set is). I also get hours of fun and plenty of singles left over to play casual constructed with, and at worst (if I do poorly in drafts, and the set sells poorly on e-bay) it costs me $20 every three months.
I think the idea of "Fake" cards to be absurd, since all the cards are just selling the idea of value. There is nothing inherently valuable about a piece of paper with a picture on it, nor is there anything inherently valuable about a few bits flipped on a server somewhere. But the fact is a physical dollar bill and a digital dollar in my checking account are worth the same amount, but each has it's advantages-disadvantages on where to spend it. Sure I can't use my dollar bill to buy something via paypal, but then again I can't use my checking account dollar to buy something out of this vending machine.
Magic is basically the exact same thing, no cards are actually inherently valuable, except in the idea of what they represent. And both can be used in exchange for pleasure, it just depends on how you find it more convenient to 'spend'.
i agree with the majority of these comments.. for the most part.. online cards hold a lot more advantages.. like it takes out the majority of the "busy work" involved with magic, like life counters, number of cards in decks, deck lists for tourneys so no cheating.. and just a higher level of competition and availability, I wish everyone lived in a paper environment, where the players don't have BO (admit it, you've all smelled someone at a tourney with BO) you don't have to listen to players whine or sit and have a judge come over and explain to a player how the stack works and how things go off.. I just don't feel as "ripped off" by TOs, card sharks, cheaters, or judges who may not know what they are talking about..
mtgo is just pure magic, none of the "atmosphere" that some of you love.. I loathe it.. granted, my buds want to do a kitchen table tourney i'm there.. I love alternative limited formats, and I love my vintage.. but for competitive 8 mans or PEs tourneys generally move quicker and you don't have to smell the "hardcore" players (sorry if you don't shower and i offended you)
anyways.. MTGO > paper when it comes to playing the game.. if you love the whole "atmosphere" i don't know how you can.
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I just want people who redraft to admit this:
"I can't draft objectively unless I am able to guarantee that I receive at least 3 rares. I am also better than most average/new players so I want to make sure that I get the best rares and they end up with worse ones. I care more about the monetary value of cards than actually playing the game for decent prizes."
I think 8th should remain in extended as it uses the new card face, nothing with the new card face should be removed from extended in this rotation... according to me. And me says me gets, mulla.
I have. In fact every new set release I drop $100 on cards, play in PR drafts. Then use my drafted cards to build a set to sell on e-bay, and keep the leftovers. Generally my $100 investment returns between $80 and $130 (depending on how quickly I can build the set, and how popular the set is). I also get hours of fun and plenty of singles left over to play casual constructed with, and at worst (if I do poorly in drafts, and the set sells poorly on e-bay) it costs me $20 every three months.
I think the idea of "Fake" cards to be absurd, since all the cards are just selling the idea of value. There is nothing inherently valuable about a piece of paper with a picture on it, nor is there anything inherently valuable about a few bits flipped on a server somewhere. But the fact is a physical dollar bill and a digital dollar in my checking account are worth the same amount, but each has it's advantages-disadvantages on where to spend it. Sure I can't use my dollar bill to buy something via paypal, but then again I can't use my checking account dollar to buy something out of this vending machine.
Magic is basically the exact same thing, no cards are actually inherently valuable, except in the idea of what they represent. And both can be used in exchange for pleasure, it just depends on how you find it more convenient to 'spend'.
Well said. It's not like the major cost for wizards to produce paper magic cards is the cardboard it gets printed on. The cost comes from paying its employees, shipping the cards, marketing, etc, so really there shouldn't be a difference in price, and there isn't much of one. I play online only for a variety of reasons including the fact that I can draft at 3AM if I want to and don't have to spend the gas and time driving to a store where I feel out of place because half the people there are not even adults.
MTGO has far superior player quality than most local card shops, I would assume because of the fact that you need a credit card to buy stuff (yeah some kids get their parents to buy stuff but it's mostly true).
Anyway, here's to hoping V3 fixes the nightly server crash that allows me to get free coupons while keeping my drafted cards. Wait, do I really want that?
As a linux user, I'm in complete agreement with the sentiments of the mac users earlier on in this thread. I really don't see why I sholuld have to go out and buy a copy of windows in order to pay magic online.
So Boo Hiss to WOTC.
What percentage of MTGO players are on Mac or Linux? Probably not enough to warrant the cost of porting the game to another platform. I'm sure it's just a business decision.
Besides, anyone willing to spend hours screwing around with Linux to get it to do the most basic tasks, is probably willing to futz around with inferior, freebie software (I have never been able to understand how MWS or Apprecntice work...can't someone other than Wizards make a game that knows its own rules?) and/or card shuffling.
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As a linux user, I'm in complete agreement with the sentiments of the mac users earlier on in this thread. I really don't see why I sholuld have to go out and buy a copy of windows in order to pay magic online.
So Boo Hiss to WOTC.
I seem to remember something come out a few months ago stating that WotC was considering non-Windows clients once they have most of the kinks in V3 worked out. Not sure if that means we get a Linux client or not, but it's not like they're saying "This will always be a Windows-only program."
I've only dabbled with the free precons available in the current MTGO, but have been considering trying it out for drafting etc. This new version will probably be enough to get me to take another look at it.
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Ever since MaRo commented that MTGO had cost Future Sight a new mechanic, I've had a grudge against it that will not go away. The fact that yet another installment of this thief is arriving brings me no joy.
Oh? I untap with my Djinn in play? Then I'll cast High Tide 5 times, let the copies resolve, cast Remand 3 times, the first and second targetting the original High Tide, and the third targetting the first Remand. After the stack empties, I'll cast a Turnabout with 1 replicate, and triple-remand again. Net Effect: Draw 4 cards, Islands all produce 4 extra blue, lands untapped. Repeat until I draw Vision Charm and proceed to deck several hundred players.
I know a lot of people who buy MTGO singles and say "I can cash it in for a full set of real cards later", but none who have ever done it. They've all got hundreds (or thousands) in pretend cards and justify it by saying they could make them real with just a bit of buying, trading, and paying of shipping fees. Haha!
As for version 3, hopefully this will bring about the sloppy end of a terrible idea in the first place.
From anyone else, I'd be certain this was a troll.
You realize you can sell singles on ebay right? Have you even tried Magic Online? You think as bad as server stability is right now that they'd be making milllions on it if it sucked?
Ever since MaRo commented that MTGO had cost Future Sight a new mechanic, I've had a grudge against it that will not go away. The fact that yet another installment of this thief is arriving brings me no joy.
To be honest, this was a concern I had when I left Magic in 2002 and abandoned my beta account. I was concerned that the development of the game would be stifled when Leaping Lizards representatives showed up at R&D meetings and explained how mechanics would have to be tweaked in order to work in their slightly-updated Microprose game.
When I read MaRo's comment I chuckled to myself, because not only was that actually true, but I didn't even care anymore. When I look at the list of mechanics that have cropped up since I left, most of them rather uninteresting, I think we were actually spared something that might well have been truly awful.
As for non-Windows versions, I have heard of people getting the current version to work. I don't know too much about it but the official MTGO boards has information. I do hope MTGO 3 will address the issue more directly, as has been speculated from various WOTC comments, but to be honest they are hardly the only gaming company that ignores the other OS's.
I'll agree with the above posters that I really couldn't care less about the graphics. Graphics are nice, and zoom-in effects are pretty, but rather unnecessary, all it will really do is slow it down further for those few people who actually try and play it on dial-up. Stability is good too, but I would rather they went in and fixed some of the underlying player annoyances... specifically, the trade situation. They might be saying they will fix those things once V3 launches, but many of the issues are not hardware and could be solved by adding a couple more adepts. They don't need to design a whole new room for trading and an entire new system (though that wouldn't be unwelcome), all they have to do is add an adept to keep the bots out of casual.
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I know people that make a living off of buying MTGO sets for the MTGO cost(which is cheap) and re-selling the singles from the sets in stores for their physical value.
MTGO is not going anywhere, seriously. The only advantages that paper magic has over MTGO are purely based on emotion(I get to hang out with my friends, etc). MTGO is a superior trading community, and a superior playing community. I don't foresee either of them ever being eliminated, but if it were to happen, it would be paper magic that was cancelled, not MTGO.
I have. In fact every new set release I drop $100 on cards, play in PR drafts. Then use my drafted cards to build a set to sell on e-bay, and keep the leftovers. Generally my $100 investment returns between $80 and $130 (depending on how quickly I can build the set, and how popular the set is). I also get hours of fun and plenty of singles left over to play casual constructed with, and at worst (if I do poorly in drafts, and the set sells poorly on e-bay) it costs me $20 every three months.
I think the idea of "Fake" cards to be absurd, since all the cards are just selling the idea of value. There is nothing inherently valuable about a piece of paper with a picture on it, nor is there anything inherently valuable about a few bits flipped on a server somewhere. But the fact is a physical dollar bill and a digital dollar in my checking account are worth the same amount, but each has it's advantages-disadvantages on where to spend it. Sure I can't use my dollar bill to buy something via paypal, but then again I can't use my checking account dollar to buy something out of this vending machine.
Magic is basically the exact same thing, no cards are actually inherently valuable, except in the idea of what they represent. And both can be used in exchange for pleasure, it just depends on how you find it more convenient to 'spend'.
Doesn't 8th stay in extended until 2011?
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Max of 3 cores in Extended? Because there'll be 4 for about a year after 10th comes out in July.
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Extended Format Changes
Friday, May 17, 2002
There will be a significant change to the Extended tournament format when Onslaught rotates into play in the fall. Standard has a rotation every 3 sets. Similarly, Extended will have a rotation every 3 blocks. While Standard fluctuates between 4 and 6 sets, Extended will fluctuate between 6 and 8 blocks.
At the initial implementation of this pattern, the legal blocks will be: Onslaught, Odyssey, Invasion, Mercadian Masques, Urza's Saga, and Tempest. Base set editions are counted as being part of the block during which they were released. This means that 6th Edition and 7th Edition will be included in the new Extended format.
As a result, this means that dual lands will be rotating out of Extended on November 1st, 2002, along with the Ice Age block (including Alliances and Homelands), Mirage Block (including Visions and Weatherlight), and 5th edition. In 2005 the Tempest, Urza's Saga, and Mercadian Masques blocks, as well as 6th Edition, will be rotating out.
We believe this new Extended Format rotation policy will result in a healthy and challenging play environment with a greatly reduced need for card banning.
Thats the announcement from back when. So 8th will rotate out being released during onslaught block.
This year is 7th + 8th. Which is funny because alot of the staples seem to have been reprinted in either TS block or in alternate forms or whatever.,
I wouldn't argue this so hard if there weren't a massive undercurrent of argument already between the people who say over and over that 8th will rotate out and the people who say over and over that it won't (including me, not that that matters much, because I could easily be wrong).
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Just follow the link in post #36 to see the relevant cards rotating out. Its just like the last rotation when a lot of "power" was lost.
Back on topic:
I really don't care what modo 3 looks like. All I'm concerned with is server stability. I don't care if its nice and pretty. You can paint a piece of crap all nice, but in the end its still a piece of crap! and vary the premiere start times too. Why do I have to stay up until 3am on a tuesday to play in X event.? <rant off>
HA - yeah. WoTC is gonna shut down the money maker because R_E thinks it's a terrible idea.
And I know people who pull down 3Gs a month doing exactly what you stated above. I'll bet they are laughing even harder... selling it to poor sclubs who would otherwise buy boxes upon boxes trying to put sets together.
i agree with the majority of these comments.. for the most part.. online cards hold a lot more advantages.. like it takes out the majority of the "busy work" involved with magic, like life counters, number of cards in decks, deck lists for tourneys so no cheating.. and just a higher level of competition and availability, I wish everyone lived in a paper environment, where the players don't have BO (admit it, you've all smelled someone at a tourney with BO) you don't have to listen to players whine or sit and have a judge come over and explain to a player how the stack works and how things go off.. I just don't feel as "ripped off" by TOs, card sharks, cheaters, or judges who may not know what they are talking about..
mtgo is just pure magic, none of the "atmosphere" that some of you love.. I loathe it.. granted, my buds want to do a kitchen table tourney i'm there.. I love alternative limited formats, and I love my vintage.. but for competitive 8 mans or PEs tourneys generally move quicker and you don't have to smell the "hardcore" players (sorry if you don't shower and i offended you)
anyways.. MTGO > paper when it comes to playing the game.. if you love the whole "atmosphere" i don't know how you can.
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Well said. It's not like the major cost for wizards to produce paper magic cards is the cardboard it gets printed on. The cost comes from paying its employees, shipping the cards, marketing, etc, so really there shouldn't be a difference in price, and there isn't much of one. I play online only for a variety of reasons including the fact that I can draft at 3AM if I want to and don't have to spend the gas and time driving to a store where I feel out of place because half the people there are not even adults.
MTGO has far superior player quality than most local card shops, I would assume because of the fact that you need a credit card to buy stuff (yeah some kids get their parents to buy stuff but it's mostly true).
Anyway, here's to hoping V3 fixes the nightly server crash that allows me to get free coupons while keeping my drafted cards. Wait, do I really want that?
What percentage of MTGO players are on Mac or Linux? Probably not enough to warrant the cost of porting the game to another platform. I'm sure it's just a business decision.
Besides, anyone willing to spend hours screwing around with Linux to get it to do the most basic tasks, is probably willing to futz around with inferior, freebie software (I have never been able to understand how MWS or Apprecntice work...can't someone other than Wizards make a game that knows its own rules?) and/or card shuffling.
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I seem to remember something come out a few months ago stating that WotC was considering non-Windows clients once they have most of the kinks in V3 worked out. Not sure if that means we get a Linux client or not, but it's not like they're saying "This will always be a Windows-only program."
I've only dabbled with the free precons available in the current MTGO, but have been considering trying it out for drafting etc. This new version will probably be enough to get me to take another look at it.
From anyone else, I'd be certain this was a troll.
You realize you can sell singles on ebay right? Have you even tried Magic Online? You think as bad as server stability is right now that they'd be making milllions on it if it sucked?
To be honest, this was a concern I had when I left Magic in 2002 and abandoned my beta account. I was concerned that the development of the game would be stifled when Leaping Lizards representatives showed up at R&D meetings and explained how mechanics would have to be tweaked in order to work in their slightly-updated Microprose game.
When I read MaRo's comment I chuckled to myself, because not only was that actually true, but I didn't even care anymore. When I look at the list of mechanics that have cropped up since I left, most of them rather uninteresting, I think we were actually spared something that might well have been truly awful.
As for non-Windows versions, I have heard of people getting the current version to work. I don't know too much about it but the official MTGO boards has information. I do hope MTGO 3 will address the issue more directly, as has been speculated from various WOTC comments, but to be honest they are hardly the only gaming company that ignores the other OS's.
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