I'm not sure why everyone is going "OMG THIS IS SPLASHASBLE GLARE!"
If you make like 1-2 tokens, it won't achieve nearly the effect of Glare of Subdual or any other mass-lockdown card. And if you make more than 3 tokens, you'll certainly need a boatload of white mana available to actually, y'know... use the tokens. That takes a mana commitment that necessarily excludes Goldmeadow Lookout from being remotely splashable.
I still think it'll be quite good in limited. I don't see it seeing much play in Constructed, though.
My thoughts on this card is that this card is timeshifted and in a parallel Cycle to Llanowar Mentor. So there will be two Spellshapers who produce named creature tokens per color, one who produces iconic creatures from the past, and one who produces creatures from the future.
Certain is that this guy does not produce Master Decoy's since the Decoy is 1/2 and not a Kithkin.
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Nice in limited though.
it is possible that we may only have one cycle, just that the white one is timeshifted where the others are not.
if there are two cycles - and i am in no way discounting it - perhaps those "creature tokens" that VenserPlaneswalker or whatever his name was alluded to will be the tokens for the timeshifted spellshapers. i mean, we know what llanowar elves looks like, but not a goldmeadow harrier.
and i'm 99.9% sure that lorwyn (the set) will have the actual "goldmeadow harrier" in it.
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banalish trappers >< Master Decoy
same thing so the already have multiple names for the same thing so what difference does it make white already has abunch of small drops but this has potential to lock down the game
thats why 4 mana is a good cost
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My thoughts on this card is that this card is timeshifted and in a parallel Cycle to Llanowar Mentor. So there will be two Spellshapers who produce named creature tokens per color, one who produces iconic creatures from the past, and one who produces creatures from the future.
Certain is that this guy does not produce Master Decoy's since the Decoy is 1/2 and not a Kithkin.
I agree. Considering that the other creatures (Metallic Sliver, Spark Elemental, Festering Goblin) kind of suck if put on a creature that is not 1CC...and the Llanowar one is 1CC...
Does this mean that Kitkin is the ionic creature type for white like elves are for green, goblins for red zombies for black?
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Posted by: Tay Collins | January 20, 2010 6:45 AM
Tay, that's not evolution. It's metamorphosis. Evolution means descent with heritable modification – individuals cannot evolve, unless they're Pokemon.
Posted by: David Marjanović | January 20, 2010 8:55 AM
My only comment is that anyone who ever played in IPA draft (or, even moreso, III draft) knows how annoying the tokens (and the associated card) will be. It's funny how even when using a Futureshifted card, they can evoke nostalgia (Thornscape and especially Stormscape Apprentices!).
The Shaper, though? Sloooooow. This card does nothing for you when you're behind (you need 2 turns after you lay the shaper to tap one creature/turn), so it looks ideal in a deck that puts some early pressure on the board, and doesn't need a lot of mana on the board so it can turn its lands into tappers.
I am throwing in with the two cycle idea. I would guess that the old creature shapers are all uncommon and produce tokens of common cards from the past while the new cycle is timeshifted and produces tokens of common creatures yet to come. What I add is that I would guess that the futureshifted cycle is common and a bit overcosted for the Spellshaper itself. Its too bad Hunter didn't catch the rarity as that could help give us an idea as to the second cycles existance, though considering what he has done so far just for this set... wow, I will not complain.
While I think it is, in a way, very cool that it shapes a creature that does not yet exist (by the way, is this card in a futureshifted frame for that reason?), thus giving a glimpse of the future (and I assume this will probably be the one timeshifted card of the creature shaper cycle, kind of like how Piracy Charm was the single color-shifted card of the charm cycle in Planar Chaos), the problem is that there's no guarantee, when the Goldmeadow Harrier is finally released, that it will be an iconic creature like; it seems decent, but too similar to Master Decoy (been there, done that) to enjoy the stature of Savannah Lions or Llanowar Elf. This thus quite possibly ruins the pattern of all the shaped creatures being iconic ones.
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In limited this is a bomb no doubt. Late game stalemates will end with this guy assuming they can't kill it. Obviously little use in constructed but turning those lands you been holding into tappers is amazing. Especially since tapping is a offensive ability in addition to defensive.
At the very least its a 4 mana 2/2 dude which is kinda bad but you can probably get 1 of the tappers out of him at the very least. Assuming they can't kill him before he loses summoning sickness.
Very very powerful card, but based on the name and the trend in Kithkin, I think I speak for us all when I say, or rather sing, "Bilbo, bilbo baggins, bravest little hobbit of all"
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I'm pretty certain Kithkin will be in Lorwyn or the set after that.
After all, we have this, and the Ask Wizards question where they answered about the origin of the Kithkin (while everything Wizards has doesn't have a deeper meaning, I'm fairly certain this one does signal we'll be seeing more Kithkin in the near future).
As a card, it's pretty good for Limited, and if Goldemadow Harrier is in the next block it could see some play (Whipcorder saw some limited play).
I wonder if the tokens this makes on Magic Online will have timeshifted token frames
Anyway, I think people ought to give up on the idea of a spellshaper making Savannah Lions. It is silly to think there would be a cycle of cards of the same rarity and casting cost that creates Llanowar Elves and Savannah Lions, unless the Lion generator was significantly more expensive to play. The Lion generator would be overpowered if it cost only W. I mean, if the other cards are Llanowar Elves, Spark Elemental, Festering Goblin and Metallic Sliver (hmmmm... I wonder what the blue one is?), you'll note that they all cost 1 mana, and are commons. Savannah Lions is a rare.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of the regular cycle and they used a future card for it because there wasn't an iconic commonW creature that they wanted to put on it. The only option I can really think of at the moment is Suntail Hawk, and perhaps they didn't want to use that for whatever reason (*gasp* maybe because the blue one makes Flying Men!)
Other possibilities for blue are... Cloud Sprite (more likely than Flying Men, which is above the curve for a blue common at this point, but it also would be a reason to not use Suntail Hawk), Aven Envoy (too weak!), Sage of Epityr (too soon, but being able to repeat the CIP ability would be pretty good), Spindrift Drake (probably not).
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I wouldn't mind an uber token wall, thank you very much.
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If you make like 1-2 tokens, it won't achieve nearly the effect of Glare of Subdual or any other mass-lockdown card. And if you make more than 3 tokens, you'll certainly need a boatload of white mana available to actually, y'know... use the tokens. That takes a mana commitment that necessarily excludes Goldmeadow Lookout from being remotely splashable.
I still think it'll be quite good in limited. I don't see it seeing much play in Constructed, though.
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Even if you're winning with this card, I imagine it would be annoying because he works SO SLOWLY.
it is possible that we may only have one cycle, just that the white one is timeshifted where the others are not.
if there are two cycles - and i am in no way discounting it - perhaps those "creature tokens" that VenserPlaneswalker or whatever his name was alluded to will be the tokens for the timeshifted spellshapers. i mean, we know what llanowar elves looks like, but not a goldmeadow harrier.
and i'm 99.9% sure that lorwyn (the set) will have the actual "goldmeadow harrier" in it.
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banalish trappers >< Master Decoy
same thing so the already have multiple names for the same thing so what difference does it make white already has abunch of small drops but this has potential to lock down the game
thats why 4 mana is a good cost
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I agree. Considering that the other creatures (Metallic Sliver, Spark Elemental, Festering Goblin) kind of suck if put on a creature that is not 1CC...and the Llanowar one is 1CC...
Noone ever said it would be the lions!
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Posted by: Tay Collins | January 20, 2010 6:45 AM
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The Shaper, though? Sloooooow. This card does nothing for you when you're behind (you need 2 turns after you lay the shaper to tap one creature/turn), so it looks ideal in a deck that puts some early pressure on the board, and doesn't need a lot of mana on the board so it can turn its lands into tappers.
If only White had such a deck archetype...
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While I think it is, in a way, very cool that it shapes a creature that does not yet exist (by the way, is this card in a futureshifted frame for that reason?), thus giving a glimpse of the future (and I assume this will probably be the one timeshifted card of the creature shaper cycle, kind of like how Piracy Charm was the single color-shifted card of the charm cycle in Planar Chaos), the problem is that there's no guarantee, when the Goldmeadow Harrier is finally released, that it will be an iconic creature like; it seems decent, but too similar to Master Decoy (been there, done that) to enjoy the stature of Savannah Lions or Llanowar Elf. This thus quite possibly ruins the pattern of all the shaped creatures being iconic ones.
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At the very least its a 4 mana 2/2 dude which is kinda bad but you can probably get 1 of the tappers out of him at the very least. Assuming they can't kill him before he loses summoning sickness.
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After all, we have this, and the Ask Wizards question where they answered about the origin of the Kithkin (while everything Wizards has doesn't have a deeper meaning, I'm fairly certain this one does signal we'll be seeing more Kithkin in the near future).
As a card, it's pretty good for Limited, and if Goldemadow Harrier is in the next block it could see some play (Whipcorder saw some limited play).
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Anyway, I think people ought to give up on the idea of a spellshaper making Savannah Lions. It is silly to think there would be a cycle of cards of the same rarity and casting cost that creates Llanowar Elves and Savannah Lions, unless the Lion generator was significantly more expensive to play. The Lion generator would be overpowered if it cost only W. I mean, if the other cards are Llanowar Elves, Spark Elemental, Festering Goblin and Metallic Sliver (hmmmm... I wonder what the blue one is?), you'll note that they all cost 1 mana, and are commons. Savannah Lions is a rare.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of the regular cycle and they used a future card for it because there wasn't an iconic common W creature that they wanted to put on it. The only option I can really think of at the moment is Suntail Hawk, and perhaps they didn't want to use that for whatever reason (*gasp* maybe because the blue one makes Flying Men!)
Other possibilities for blue are... Cloud Sprite (more likely than Flying Men, which is above the curve for a blue common at this point, but it also would be a reason to not use Suntail Hawk), Aven Envoy (too weak!), Sage of Epityr (too soon, but being able to repeat the CIP ability would be pretty good), Spindrift Drake (probably not).
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Fatal Attraction 2R
Enchantment-Aura
Enchant Creature
When Fatal Attraction comes into play, it deals 2 damage to enchanted creature.
At the beginning of your upkeep, Fatal Attraction deals 4 damage to enchanted creature.
so planeswalker WILL be a new card type, along with tribal. What do you guys think tribal will be all about?
poss vangard/avatar cards as one of the new card types? and tribal wtf.
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Vanguards issue was you had to have to players with Vanguard or it sucked. A walker/avatar makes it more balanced, since you need to play said Walker/avatar before the Vanguard stuff kicks in.