This reminds me of when Ravnica I believe was codenamed "Control" and almost EVERYONE thought that it was going to be the comming back party for counterspells that are nuts!
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The naming after existing cards is getting very annoying.
Wow, you'd really think people would have gotten used to it by now since they had done it for Prophecy, Apocalypse, Torment, and Onslaught, and those sets were released years ago.
A name is just a name. It is supposed to be evocative and I think Morningtide is an interesting name and just because it was used on a card doesn't mean they are not allowed to use it for a set name.
Also, on a related note, I do think that the whole Dusk and Morning will have an impact on the story and the flavour of the cards, but I doubt it will have any colour imbalance.
Well, theoretically, you could have a card named Lorwyn. It would just have to be World Enchantment. In Legends, didn't the World Enchantments sometimes correspond to whole planes the duel moved to? Arboria comes into mind... or am I wrong?
Well "World" is just a supertype that isn't even limited to enchantments even though previous cards would suggest plane = world enchantment... the comprehensive rules reference World to being on permanents (420.5i), with only the most recently played World permanent being allowed to stay in play as part of state based effects. So a World Land is possible even.
silly examples: Mirrodin - World Artifact Land
Megatog - World Creature
Mr. Wilson: You may be on to something with that last. There was a mechanic they had tried to do before that changed cards based on another parameter. Something like:
Dusk
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Night (While this is in play, Night abilities can be used.)
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Defender Night - This creature may attack as though it didn't have Defender and must attack each turn if able.
This is the kind of thing they were trying to do (was it with the Kamigawa Flip cards?), and couldn't get it to work. Maybe they got it right for Lorwyn.
Just a tidbit: To Japanese speakers, Kamigawa definitely sounds Blue (the latter part of the word is 'river'.)
There's also the 'faerie' aspect of the Lorwyn derivation. If it is a block filled with faeries in general (perhaps sidhe in particular), that definitely suggests a world of twilight and dawn, and the psychological ramifications thereof. (Cf. albedo, negredo, rubedo, citrine)
Morningtide is a very nice name for a set. Much better than as a name for a card, anyway.
Love the flavor possibilities with a name like Morningtide, hate the fact that they used a cardname again for a set name. Come on people, gimme something original.
Just a tidbit: To Japanese speakers, Kamigawa definitely sounds Blue (the latter part of the word is 'river'.)
Since Kami was a prevalent creature type in Kamigawa, i don't think naming the set as the Japanese translation of "River of Kami" should have had any color references, only that R&D likes Kami.
Oh? I untap with my Djinn in play? Then I'll cast High Tide 5 times, let the copies resolve, cast Remand 3 times, the first and second targetting the original High Tide, and the third targetting the first Remand. After the stack empties, I'll cast a Turnabout with 1 replicate, and triple-remand again. Net Effect: Draw 4 cards, Islands all produce 4 extra blue, lands untapped. Repeat until I draw Vision Charm and proceed to deck several hundred players.
i think the names of the sets does have something to do with the mechanics in it. I seem to remember a card from the designer contest that had a flip effect when something like going from night to day happened. It was a knight but i dont remember who made it. All i do remember is that one of the judges said they may end up using it. I will see if i can find it and post a link on here. But if anyone else knows what im talking about....
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Love the flavor possibilities with a name like Morningtide, hate the fact that they used a cardname again for a set name. Come on people, gimme something original.
It really REALLY is not a big deal.
TS block did it on purpose.
This is a nice, elegant little word that isn't used often, and I didn't know it was a card until I checked. (unlike basically every other set that has a card of same name)
Seriously, don't make a big deal out of it. I like the name.
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the card wasnt quite what i thought it was. it was tempted paladin/repentant shadowknight designed by ryan sutherland and it only deals with when you play a white or black spell you flip it. i guess i see how i got them confused. anyway heres the link if you want to see
The issue here is Morningtide is an awesome name, whether it's on a card or not. I personally like this better than the Time Spiral, Planar Chaos, Future Sight choices they used (yes those were lame, despite being on cards)...but Morningtide sounds more provocative and mystifying. The structure sounds exactly as it does for Ravnica. I digress:
Ravnica: City of Guilds (Lorwyn: Dusk)
Guildpact (Morningtide)
Dissension (???)
They didn't do Ravnica: Guildpact or Ravnica: Dissension. Each had their separate names although it was part of the Ravnica storyline and setting. The method of execution seems strikingly identical to the way they did with Ravnica.
I'm just curious how they're going to do the symbols for all these sets. They've used a mask three times (Mercadian Masques, Apocalypse & Fifth Dawn), weapons (Arabian Nights, Urza's Legacy, Nemesis, Legions, Mirrodin, Betrayers of Kamigawa), shield (Legions & darksteel). Originality goes to sets like Scourge, Mirage, Visions, Weatherlight, Urza's Saga & Destiny, Prophecy, Odyssey, Saviours of Kamigawa & Time Spiral for all having awesome looking symbols.
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Mr. Wilson: You may be on to something with that last. There was a mechanic they had tried to do before that changed cards based on another parameter. Something like:
Dusk
Enchantment
Night (While this is in play, Night abilities can be used.)
Redcap
RB
2/3
Defender Night - This creature may attack as though it didn't have Defender and must attack each turn if able.
Sounds way to much like the old Star Wars CCG and their "Nighttime conditions" effect. Although I guess people did say that about Yu-Gi-Oh and morph too...
Here are my picks for sets 3 and 4, assuming they follow the time of day theme, and they continue using card names, and they have 4 sets in this block.:D
Since Kami was a prevalent creature type in Kamigawa, i don't think naming the set as the Japanese translation of "River of Kami" should have had any color references, only that R&D likes Kami.
I thought Kamigawa translated to Spirit River. Or River of the Spirits.
I really liked the Kamigawa blocks names. Sakura-Tibe Eldar basically is an Eldar of the Cherry Blossom Tribe. Very elegant.
But I digress, I like the name, I hope this set rocks me like Ravnica and Time Spiral have.
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I thought Kamigawa translated to Spirit River. Or River of the Spirits.
I really liked the Kamigawa blocks names. Sakura-Tibe Eldar basically is an Eldar of the Cherry Blossom Tribe. Very elegant.
But I digress, I like the name, I hope this set rocks me like Ravnica and Time Spiral have.
Yea, thats what I thought too, but I didn't want to risk guessing the translation of Kami. And yes, Sakura is a Cherry Blossom. I knew all that anime would teach me something.
Oh? I untap with my Djinn in play? Then I'll cast High Tide 5 times, let the copies resolve, cast Remand 3 times, the first and second targetting the original High Tide, and the third targetting the first Remand. After the stack empties, I'll cast a Turnabout with 1 replicate, and triple-remand again. Net Effect: Draw 4 cards, Islands all produce 4 extra blue, lands untapped. Repeat until I draw Vision Charm and proceed to deck several hundred players.
Wow, you'd really think people would have gotten used to it by now since they had done it for Prophecy, Apocalypse, Torment, and Onslaught, and those sets were released years ago.
A name is just a name. It is supposed to be evocative and I think Morningtide is an interesting name and just because it was used on a card doesn't mean they are not allowed to use it for a set name.
Also, on a related note, I do think that the whole Dusk and Morning will have an impact on the story and the flavour of the cards, but I doubt it will have any colour imbalance.
Back when Sandwich speculation started, I posted possibility that the block is divided into Dusk/Night/Dawn/Day, or alternatively Autumn/Winter/Spring/Summer. My theory was that every mechanic would have major presence in one of the sets, smaller presence in the two neighbouring sets (with Sandwich and Lorwyn joined, completing the cycle), and no presence at all in the remaining set.
Ok the idea that this set is broken down into sections of the day leaves me with this impression. There will be cards that can be played only during certain parts of a players phase. How so? Check out these cards for some possible inspiration:
Dusk's Eternal Sleep - 1BB Instant - Play this spell only during your opponent's second mainphase. Destroy Target Creature.
Lightning Storm at Dusk - 2R Instant - Play this spell only during your opponent's second mainphase. Deal 4 damage to target creature or deal 3 damage to target player.
Denial at Dusk - UU - Instant - Play this spell only during your opponent's second main phase. Counter target spell.
Dawn's Light - WW - Sorcery - Play this spell only during your first main phase. Target creature gets +1/+1 and gains Protection from the color of your choice until end of turn.
Dawn's Charge - 2GG - Sorcery - Play this spell only during your first main phase. Place a creature with converted mana cost of two into play from your hand, it gains Haste and one 'Regeneration Shield' counter.
Chimes of Mid-Day - 4 - Artifact - During each turn if a player can declare an attacking creature but did not you may gain 1 life. 'Was that the dinner bell?' -Darven, Master Soldier
Land of Tommorrow - Land - You may play this land only during your opponent's end of turn phase and only after your first turn. When Land of Tommorrow comes into play sacrifice it if you played a land during your turn. Tap : Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. 'Rumor has it that the map to find this continent can only be found in your dreams.'
Rules Primer: Regeneration Shield Counter - If this creature is placed in a graveyard from play remove a Regeneration Shield Counter from this creature and return it to play tapped.
Shoot me personally... I am wondering when will the Latino Population get a block set devoted to them. Africa, Middle East, Asia, Europe all have had sets flavored by thier culture. I think an Aztec/Inca Block set would be rather interesting. Please call 1-800-324-6496 #1 and suggest this after asking a silly rules question.
I vivdly remember, a magic the gathering article in which Maro talked about one of the themes that was ditched for kamigawa block was the day/night theme, and there were ways to change the enviorment from day to night, and certain things happend at night that didnt happen at day and vice versa. Im gonna go find that article. I have a very strong feeling thats what this is. You ehardit here first ;]
Back when Sandwich speculation started, I posted possibility that the block is divided into Dusk/Night/Dawn/Day, or alternatively Autumn/Winter/Spring/Summer. My theory was that every mechanic would have major presence in one of the sets, smaller presence in the two neighbouring sets (with Sandwich and Lorwyn joined, completing the cycle), and no presence at all in the remaining set.
Only problem with that theory is that they skipped night...they go from dusk to dawn.
And I agree with Asiansteev...Day of Destiny was the first thing I thought of for the third set...although Doomsday has potential depending on the storyline.
My question is that if there are 4 sets - how is drafting done?!
This was gone over pretty extensively in the Sandwich thread. The general, agreed-upon conclusion was 12 card packs for $2.99, such that you'd draft 4 packs each time (but pay about the same amount, and get a few more cards and an extra rare in the process.)
I am really happy that Wizards is keeping us occupied with new info on new sets (while taking some heat off of current rumor season).
This is the rumor mill though. Why does everything that is confirmed end up in the rumor mill? Whenever Wizards posts new info on their site or confirms new cards, it ends up in here. This doesn't make any sense.
It was, wasn't it? (Remand)
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Wow, you'd really think people would have gotten used to it by now since they had done it for Prophecy, Apocalypse, Torment, and Onslaught, and those sets were released years ago.
A name is just a name. It is supposed to be evocative and I think Morningtide is an interesting name and just because it was used on a card doesn't mean they are not allowed to use it for a set name.
Also, on a related note, I do think that the whole Dusk and Morning will have an impact on the story and the flavour of the cards, but I doubt it will have any colour imbalance.
Overall though.. I am alright with the name... just that my initial reaction to the name is erm a little "huh?"
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Well "World" is just a supertype that isn't even limited to enchantments even though previous cards would suggest plane = world enchantment... the comprehensive rules reference World to being on permanents (420.5i), with only the most recently played World permanent being allowed to stay in play as part of state based effects. So a World Land is possible even.
silly examples: Mirrodin - World Artifact Land
Megatog - World Creature
Dusk
Enchantment
Night (While this is in play, Night abilities can be used.)
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2/3
Defender
Night - This creature may attack as though it didn't have Defender and must attack each turn if able.
This is the kind of thing they were trying to do (was it with the Kamigawa Flip cards?), and couldn't get it to work. Maybe they got it right for Lorwyn.
Just a tidbit: To Japanese speakers, Kamigawa definitely sounds Blue (the latter part of the word is 'river'.)
There's also the 'faerie' aspect of the Lorwyn derivation. If it is a block filled with faeries in general (perhaps sidhe in particular), that definitely suggests a world of twilight and dawn, and the psychological ramifications thereof. (Cf. albedo, negredo, rubedo, citrine)
Morningtide is a very nice name for a set. Much better than as a name for a card, anyway.
Since Kami was a prevalent creature type in Kamigawa, i don't think naming the set as the Japanese translation of "River of Kami" should have had any color references, only that R&D likes Kami.
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It really REALLY is not a big deal.
TS block did it on purpose.
This is a nice, elegant little word that isn't used often, and I didn't know it was a card until I checked. (unlike basically every other set that has a card of same name)
Seriously, don't make a big deal out of it. I like the name.
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Ravnica: City of Guilds (Lorwyn: Dusk)
Guildpact (Morningtide)
Dissension (???)
They didn't do Ravnica: Guildpact or Ravnica: Dissension. Each had their separate names although it was part of the Ravnica storyline and setting. The method of execution seems strikingly identical to the way they did with Ravnica.
I'm just curious how they're going to do the symbols for all these sets. They've used a mask three times (Mercadian Masques, Apocalypse & Fifth Dawn), weapons (Arabian Nights, Urza's Legacy, Nemesis, Legions, Mirrodin, Betrayers of Kamigawa), shield (Legions & darksteel). Originality goes to sets like Scourge, Mirage, Visions, Weatherlight, Urza's Saga & Destiny, Prophecy, Odyssey, Saviours of Kamigawa & Time Spiral for all having awesome looking symbols.
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Sounds way to much like the old Star Wars CCG and their "Nighttime conditions" effect. Although I guess people did say that about Yu-Gi-Oh and morph too...
Day of Destiny <- set 3
Day of the Dragons
Doomsday
Doomsday SpecterEater of DaysHoly Day
Light of Day
Locket of YesterdaysNight // DaySeize the Day
Toils of Night and DayAbyssal NightstalkerBlanket of Night
Brutal NightstalkerChime of Night
Dread of Night
Harbinger of NightHonden of Night's ReachKiku, Night's FlowerLurking NightstalkerMidnight Charm
Midnight Covenant
Midnight Ritual
Myojin of Night's ReachNight // DayNight Dealings
Night of Souls' Betrayal
Night Soil
Nightcreep <- set 4
Nightguard PatrolNightmare
Nightmare Lash
Nightmare Void
Night's Whisper
Nightscape ApprenticeNightscape BattlemageNightscape FamiliarNightscape MasterNightshade AssassinNightshade SeerNightsoil KamiNightstalker EngineNightwind GliderOkina NightwatchPredatory NightstalkerProwling NightstalkerRaiding NightstalkerRecurring Nightmare
Return of the Nightstalkers
Ribbons of Night
Scent of Nightshade
Shimian Night StalkerSpirit of the Night
Strands of Night
Strength of Night
Toils of Night and DayWaking Nightmare
Wei Night RaidersWinter's Night
I thought Kamigawa translated to Spirit River. Or River of the Spirits.
I really liked the Kamigawa blocks names. Sakura-Tibe Eldar basically is an Eldar of the Cherry Blossom Tribe. Very elegant.
But I digress, I like the name, I hope this set rocks me like Ravnica and Time Spiral have.
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Yea, thats what I thought too, but I didn't want to risk guessing the translation of Kami. And yes, Sakura is a Cherry Blossom. I knew all that anime would teach me something.
Back when Sandwich speculation started, I posted possibility that the block is divided into Dusk/Night/Dawn/Day, or alternatively Autumn/Winter/Spring/Summer. My theory was that every mechanic would have major presence in one of the sets, smaller presence in the two neighbouring sets (with Sandwich and Lorwyn joined, completing the cycle), and no presence at all in the remaining set.
I'm not sure if anyone remembers, or if this has anything at all to do with it, but it could be related to the morning/night dynamic.
Dusk's Eternal Sleep - 1BB Instant - Play this spell only during your opponent's second mainphase. Destroy Target Creature.
Lightning Storm at Dusk - 2R Instant - Play this spell only during your opponent's second mainphase. Deal 4 damage to target creature or deal 3 damage to target player.
Denial at Dusk - UU - Instant - Play this spell only during your opponent's second main phase. Counter target spell.
Dawn's Light - WW - Sorcery - Play this spell only during your first main phase. Target creature gets +1/+1 and gains Protection from the color of your choice until end of turn.
Dawn's Charge - 2GG - Sorcery - Play this spell only during your first main phase. Place a creature with converted mana cost of two into play from your hand, it gains Haste and one 'Regeneration Shield' counter.
Chimes of Mid-Day - 4 - Artifact - During each turn if a player can declare an attacking creature but did not you may gain 1 life. 'Was that the dinner bell?' -Darven, Master Soldier
Land of Tommorrow - Land - You may play this land only during your opponent's end of turn phase and only after your first turn. When Land of Tommorrow comes into play sacrifice it if you played a land during your turn. Tap : Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. 'Rumor has it that the map to find this continent can only be found in your dreams.'
Rules Primer: Regeneration Shield Counter - If this creature is placed in a graveyard from play remove a Regeneration Shield Counter from this creature and return it to play tapped.
Shoot me personally... I am wondering when will the Latino Population get a block set devoted to them. Africa, Middle East, Asia, Europe all have had sets flavored by thier culture. I think an Aztec/Inca Block set would be rather interesting. Please call 1-800-324-6496 #1 and suggest this after asking a silly rules question.
Only problem with that theory is that they skipped night...they go from dusk to dawn.
And I agree with Asiansteev...Day of Destiny was the first thing I thought of for the third set...although Doomsday has potential depending on the storyline.
This was gone over pretty extensively in the Sandwich thread. The general, agreed-upon conclusion was 12 card packs for $2.99, such that you'd draft 4 packs each time (but pay about the same amount, and get a few more cards and an extra rare in the process.)
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This is the rumor mill though. Why does everything that is confirmed end up in the rumor mill? Whenever Wizards posts new info on their site or confirms new cards, it ends up in here. This doesn't make any sense.