The trouble with the prevailing theory is, several of the colours don't have an iconic one-drop. I mean, Flying Men? Raging Goblin? Please.
I would suggest
"Quasi-iconic creatures (with abilities of their own, not necessarily vanillas) that cost one mana of their respective colors will be the cards 'shaped by the 'creature-shapers', which is...of course, a cycle."
could meantokens of the trulyiconiccreatures, created by spellshapers for a 1-mana activation cost.
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1. Sliver Legion keeps with the nostalgia theme. It not only references Coat of Arms, but it also references Legions in name - the first expansion after Tempest block to re-introduce Slivers.
I wouldn't be surprised if the flavor text will be a spoof on Coat of Arms, something akin: "One, two, three, four... many."
2. A wild idea, but two of mentioned things "quasi-iconic creatures" and "textless cards" could actually go well together. Imagine printing a common cycle of old creatures as textless reprints.
So from what I gather from Venser's info, we are going to be getting textless promo style cards without the abilities and stuff of the cards that will come in future sets. We won't have any idea what they'll do yet, but we'll want them because when the later sets come out with these cards in them, they'll be awesome promo cards of potentially valueable cards. Until then, nothing, or we'd play them as vanillas till the abilities are known.
I like the idea of card type markers in the upper left corner, if done subtely. It helps you while fanning your hand to know types, plus just fits when thumbing quickly through your cards to do stuff.
Grandeur comes off to me like a blend of Amplify and Channel, which I can really see them doing, although I can't see why they didn't do it during Kamigawa, although giving a few legends Channel kinda did that.
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-Quasi-iconic creatures (with abilities of their own, not necessarily vanillas) that cost one mana of their respective colors will be the cards 'shaped by the 'creature-shapers', which is...of course, a cycle.
Clearly any speculation is no more than that and there could well be a mistake in the above phrasing, but this could be reworded as:
-There will be a cycle of creature-shapers that 'shape' quasi-iconic creatures. The shaped creatures cost one mana and are not necessarily vanilla creatures.
It would certainly be odd if the above quote was intended to mean that the creatures cost XC rather than C, as in 3R or 1G. Besides, one-drops would be the perfect fit for the phrasing "quasi-iconic:" They aren't the big splashy icons like Shivan Dragon and Serra Angel, but they simply show off what's going on in each color. Everybody can get a vanilla 1/1 for one, so the difference is (for example) that red's guy has haste, green makes mana, blue flies, white gets an extra point of power, and black does whatever black is doing. That's not to say there aren't other "creature-shapers" that make larger creatures like Akroma.
Anyway, this is speculation on speculation, so perhaps Mr. Sedatives could clear it up. Are we probably looking at something like this?:
Crazy Old Cat Lady W
Creature - Cat Spellshaper W,T, Discard a card: Put a 2/1 white Cat creature token into play.
1/1
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i think the creature shapers are going to be creatures that have an ability similar to
tap: put a 1/1 green llanowar elf token into play with "T: add one G to your manna pool".
Although I don't know any other specifics, I can confirm that one of the 'shapers makes Llanowar Elf.
Many people on this thread figured as much, anyways.
It's hard to tell what Seds meant to say (his way of typing takes an interpreter to translate, sometimes) so the arguments about this information might be premature. Maybe he can put this into English for us. It seems most people are reading this as "a cycle of spellshapers with abilities that cost one mana to make a creature token that looks like a one mana iconic creature from that colour". But unless he meant something he didn't say, that doesn't seem to be it. If that's what it's supposed to mean, why does it start off with "creatures that cost one mana"? Ugh.
Sorry, I didn't realize it was confusing.
Most people seem to have understood it though.
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Anyone who read the books can testify, there is nothing blue about Jhoira's personality.
She always struck me as calm and rational. Particularly in the way she deals with Tefiri in TS. She shows an amazing ammount of patience. I don't think she'd be as calculative if she were solid red. And Jhoira's Toolbox hardly seems like the creation of a red artificer. But we'll see for sure here in a few months, right?
Although I don't know any other specifics, I can confirm that one of the 'shapers makes Llanowar Elf.
Many people on this thread figured as much, anyways.
Sorry, I didn't realize it was confusing.
Most people seem to have understood it though.
thank you sir, now i have another question. it seems to be implied that the shapers themselves will also cost just 1 mana. is that indeed the case or is it still in the "who knows" camp?
lanowar doesn't suprise me, if they are going to be quasi iconic i would bet on cards we expect to see in tenth so savanah lions is a good bet for white, elf is good for green, i'm thinking flying men for blue, while i would love for it to be the pup for red i think raging goblin or mogg fantastic is more likly, for black um, what does black do again?
thank you sir, now i have another question. it seems to be implied that the shapers themselves will also cost just 1 mana. is that indeed the case or is it still in the "who knows" camp?
lanowar doesn't suprise me, if they are going to be quasi iconic i would bet on cards we expect to see in tenth so savanah lions is a good bet for white, elf is good for green, i'm thinking flying men for blue, while i would love for it to be the pup for red i think raging goblin or mogg fantastic is more likly, for black um, what does black do again?
black does blood pet
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Blood pet would overlap too much with the green elf one. Plus it wasnt exactly iconic. Most people didnt like them. Now STD's(stone throwing devils) are much more fun and entertaining. How would you like to tell your friends that your opponent conceded because you had to many STD's for him to handle.
Blood pet would overlap too much with the green elf one. Plus it wasnt exactly iconic.
Plus, the ability has since been moved to red (Skirk Prospector and pals). In a set about the future, I doubt they'll warp the color pie according to the past.
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And Jhoira's Toolbox hardly seems like the creation of a red artificer.
Since we've got creature sculptors, maybe we'll see a new Ixidor, and that's who making our Akroma army. Teferi did note that Otaria was one of the places they needed to go to fix the time rifts.
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Since we've got creature sculptors, maybe we'll see a new Ixidor, and that's who making our Akroma army. Teferi did note that Otaria was one of the places they needed to go to fix the time rifts.
We aren't going to see a new Ixidor.
PC was 'new versions of old legends', remember?
Also, Ixidron...
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I'm thinking along the lines of Sage of Epityr for the blue token creature. An iconic ability, if not an iconic creature. And, incidentally, it combos exceedingly well with the proposed Magus of the Future. Hmn.
Wild speculation, here, but could the new Magi be spellshapers? A creature card that combines Future Sight with the ability to create Epityr Sage tokens would be darn near broken, depending on its cost and size.
Jackal Pup strikes me as too complex for a token, and... really.. not that good. I mean, I suppose if the spell-shaper was inexpensive enough it'd be okay.
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Except for the part where we're fairly certain these behave like spellshapers. Meaning it'd only give you an elf for every card you're willing to discard. Not exactly game-breaking.
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What about Merfolk of the Pearl Trident for the Blue critter? Seems iconic to me. And I thought they hinted at more Merfolk in the TS block in an article on mtg.com a while back, hence the reprinting of Lord of Atlantis
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Posted by: Tay Collins | January 20, 2010 6:45 AM
Tay, that's not evolution. It's metamorphosis. Evolution means descent with heritable modification – individuals cannot evolve, unless they're Pokemon.
Posted by: David Marjanović | January 20, 2010 8:55 AM
I would suggest
"Quasi-iconic creatures (with abilities of their own, not necessarily vanillas) that cost one mana of their respective colors will be the cards 'shaped by the 'creature-shapers', which is...of course, a cycle."
could mean tokens of the truly iconic creatures, created by spellshapers for a 1-mana activation cost.
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1. Sliver Legion keeps with the nostalgia theme. It not only references Coat of Arms, but it also references Legions in name - the first expansion after Tempest block to re-introduce Slivers.
I wouldn't be surprised if the flavor text will be a spoof on Coat of Arms, something akin: "One, two, three, four... many."
2. A wild idea, but two of mentioned things "quasi-iconic creatures" and "textless cards" could actually go well together. Imagine printing a common cycle of old creatures as textless reprints.
Has anyone heard anything about the cycle of Magus in Future sight besides the "Future Sight" one?
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I like the idea of card type markers in the upper left corner, if done subtely. It helps you while fanning your hand to know types, plus just fits when thumbing quickly through your cards to do stuff.
Grandeur comes off to me like a blend of Amplify and Channel, which I can really see them doing, although I can't see why they didn't do it during Kamigawa, although giving a few legends Channel kinda did that.
Clearly any speculation is no more than that and there could well be a mistake in the above phrasing, but this could be reworded as:
-There will be a cycle of creature-shapers that 'shape' quasi-iconic creatures. The shaped creatures cost one mana and are not necessarily vanilla creatures.
It would certainly be odd if the above quote was intended to mean that the creatures cost XC rather than C, as in 3R or 1G. Besides, one-drops would be the perfect fit for the phrasing "quasi-iconic:" They aren't the big splashy icons like Shivan Dragon and Serra Angel, but they simply show off what's going on in each color. Everybody can get a vanilla 1/1 for one, so the difference is (for example) that red's guy has haste, green makes mana, blue flies, white gets an extra point of power, and black does whatever black is doing. That's not to say there aren't other "creature-shapers" that make larger creatures like Akroma.
Anyway, this is speculation on speculation, so perhaps Mr. Sedatives could clear it up. Are we probably looking at something like this?:
Crazy Old Cat Lady W
Creature - Cat Spellshaper
W,T, Discard a card: Put a 2/1 white Cat creature token into play.
1/1
P.S. Maybe textless cards are timeshifted from the future, from a time when the cards are just pictures with an embedded bar code that we scan with our wrist computer that feeds the data into our accounts on MtGO-X, so we can play our cards physically against any opponent anywhere in the world. In fact, maybe the cards are just blank cardboard screens and the computer randomly determines from a decklist what card it is when drawn or revealed, causing the picture to appear on the nanofilm around the card. This eliminates the need for shuffling and print runs as well.:o
Although I don't know any other specifics, I can confirm that one of the 'shapers makes Llanowar Elf.
Many people on this thread figured as much, anyways.
Sorry, I didn't realize it was confusing.
Most people seem to have understood it though.
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She always struck me as calm and rational. Particularly in the way she deals with Tefiri in TS. She shows an amazing ammount of patience. I don't think she'd be as calculative if she were solid red. And Jhoira's Toolbox hardly seems like the creation of a red artificer. But we'll see for sure here in a few months, right?
thank you sir, now i have another question. it seems to be implied that the shapers themselves will also cost just 1 mana. is that indeed the case or is it still in the "who knows" camp?
lanowar doesn't suprise me, if they are going to be quasi iconic i would bet on cards we expect to see in tenth so savanah lions is a good bet for white, elf is good for green, i'm thinking flying men for blue, while i would love for it to be the pup for red i think raging goblin or mogg fantastic is more likly, for black um, what does black do again?
black does blood pet
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where the unknow take hold
Through a portal of the past
I regress past a river blazing cold
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Or a blue one, for that matter, since blue doesn't regenerate either. Compare cards like Squee, Goblin Nabob and Squee's Toy, or Mangara of Corondor and Mangara's Tome and you'll see that this line of thought isn't really valid. (Although if you still think it is, Jhoira's Timebug and Timecrafting give a nice hint.)
From her appearances before Time Spiral (since I haven't read the TS books yet), I still think she should be monored.
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We aren't going to see a new Ixidor.
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Also, Ixidron...
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Wild speculation, here, but could the new Magi be spellshapers? A creature card that combines Future Sight with the ability to create Epityr Sage tokens would be darn near broken, depending on its cost and size.
Similarly, combine Fires of Yavimaya with the ability to create Jackal Pup tokens, or Exploration and Rogue Elephant...
...okay, the idea is a bit silly.
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Except for the part where we're fairly certain these behave like spellshapers. Meaning it'd only give you an elf for every card you're willing to discard. Not exactly game-breaking.
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Posted by: Tay Collins | January 20, 2010 6:45 AM
Tay, that's not evolution. It's metamorphosis. Evolution means descent with heritable modification – individuals cannot evolve, unless they're Pokemon.
Posted by: David Marjanović | January 20, 2010 8:55 AM
That merfolk wouldn't make sense. It's an activated ability, so all of them would have Flash.
Others are just a rumours and don't tell me too much.
Unless the other creature makers have sorcery speed abilities, and the merfolk one has it at instant speed.