hey hey, I like making things up that dont neccessarily have to make sense. Seeing as how most other people do the same thing. *looks at the current US president on tv* (joke, harhar)
Seriously though it should be noted that this is speculation, and guessing is admitedly accepted bc this is in fact The Rumor Mill thread. So dont play-down my guessing. I'm taking the name at face value and not superinposing any previous actions taken by WotC, ie. what you said Caranthir.
note: maybe they will do flashback again. that I found to be a fun/clever mechanic. just make the mana cost for flashbacking reasonable and i would have no complaint about it comming back.
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I'm betting that there is going to be a legion of Urza block fns that are psytched to see a set named after a card from the block. Even worse, I can imagine their dismay if it turns out to be the complete opposite of what we all are expecting.
Personally, I'd like it to take place in the much older places, since I started reading the books at Oddysee. I planned on reading all the books at some point, but I need to track them down and order them, no store around here has anything earlier than Mirrodin now.
Edit: After reading the three posts that popped up while I was posting: I don't think that they would revisit phasing so soon after releasing Mirage block on MtGO, do you? People would have two blocks with phasing and it would jsut create yuckiness in several degrees.
Phasing = Evil. Though they did clear it up with the rules revision.
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Anyone else remember when the set Visions came out and people were freaked out that a set had the same name as an older card that wasn't in the set?
Heck, they've printed multiple sets with the names of cards...Apocalypse, Torment, Onslaught, Prophecy. Note, they generally don't have any connection to the mechanics of the card...Time Spiral will not be a set full of blue cards, or super-broken cards.
I kind of like the name, and I love the idea of revisiting old mechanics I was working on a similar homemade set called "Strange Eons" that revisited snow-covered, phasing, etc. I guess I'll have to finish that up now
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I love the idea of revisiting old mechanics I was working on a similar homemade set called "Strange Eons" that revisited snow-covered, phasing, etc. I guess I'll have to finish that up now
I agree 100%. It's a chance to shape up old decks as well. I mean morph style decks could use some new stradegy or any other mechanic for that matter. I think its great to give a old mechanic new life so they don't just die.
This Time Spiral confirmation seems to strongly imply that, like many have already been saying, we are indeed going back to Dominaria and revisiting old stuff. As a 10 year magic vet, I love this and think they're going for the marketing ploy to get people like me, who will salivate over the flavor of old place names, as well as some of the old mechanics.
I doubt, however, that they'll be using many many of the old mechanics. I think they'll still trickle them out, maybe one old keyword each set along with new keywords too.
Only cycling has actually been re-used, right?
My votes are echo, flanking and madness....
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Please keep the thread on topic, which is "Snap is actually called Time Spiral". I've had to delete 3 or 4 posts already where people are making up cards. There's a forum for that.
Actually, it was 4%. But that didn't stop Wizards from forcing the owner of this site to yank that thread two days ago.
Funny that they did that two days before revealing the name of the set to the public. :slant:
They did what?
Geez.
Too far.
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I for one would like us not to go back to Dominaria any time soon.We've only been away from it for three years and people want to go back already.Thats crazy.We've had 7 standalones and And 19 expansions about Dominaria.We've only had 3 standalones and 6 expansions (7 if you count homelands,does anyone count homelands?) away from it.Why go back already?Its the Multiverse not Domniaria and three other planes.
Would it be that horrible to go to 2 or 3 other planes before coming back?
Is WotC to afraid to leave the cash cow plane for to long?
And on a slightly unrelated note,how is 10 years later "not too late to release the last Ice Age expansion"?Thats like someone who just got HIV and saying it's not to late to protect themself from it.
I think that WotC wants to unite older players, especially now that they are supporting the Legacy format with GPs. With a return to Dominaria this way, they will be able to use old Legends and Mechanics, but balance them within the latest Color Pie Shift (since Onslaught.) Even though Onslaught was Dominaria, there were all new mechanics and one revisited. Cyclying was in general a balanced mechanic (just had an unbalanced rare artifact that broke it.)
By meshing sets and mechanics together, WotC gets to do what EXT players do, but in Standard. Mesh mechanics together in decks. Dredge + Threshold AND Flashback... combo or what? There have been numberous times that two sets mechanics (and themed cards) work well with older mechanics or themes. Although WotC will have a chance to stop these "incredibly good" interactions from breaking every format, they can still leave powerful deck archetypes in Standard.
I'm an old-school-color-pie fan, personally, and although I understand the new pie (and quite frankly think it's balanced), I still want a return of older mechanics. With Mark Rosewater always say of mechanics that "we leave mechanics broad in the rules design space so we can revisit them later"... well, with a set called "Timespiral" or "Time Spiral", and a revisit to post-Dominaria, then it makes much sense to mix and mash mechanics and explore undesigned mechanics design space.
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Ravnica, codenamed "Control" was also speculated to be a heavy-blue set. What it really was is another thing.
The truth is that the names, both codenames and real names, have almost absolutely no relevance to the set, at least if you are searching for some connections.
Good thing he wasn't speculating on the word 'Snap' then, huh?
Ravnica, codenamed "Control" was also speculated to be a heavy-blue set. What it really was is another thing.
The truth is that the names, both codenames and real names, have almost absolutely no relevance to the set, at least if you are searching for some connections.
Er, well actually the real names have quite a bit of relevance. Let's examine:
Torment - a very black word (and a black card) which ended up being a mostly black set.
Onslaught - conjures images of hordes of creatures. And it ended up being the start of a very creature-dominated block.
Legions - all-creature set. 'nuff said?
Fifth Dawn - The set had a theme of using all five colors of mana. Fifth. Five.
Kamigawa - We kind of knew this ahead of time, but this obviously shows that the sets have an Asian theme.
Ravnica: City of Guilds - Sure, the city name is meaningless. However, before we had any information on than the name, "City of Guilds" caused many people to suspect that the set had a theme of multicolored factions and urban settings.
time spiral= nearly broken, maybe a nearly broken set /sarcasm
intersting idea but i think the whole time spiral was suppoesd to mean that they wanted to to back to the way things were before all the mutants and slivers ran rampent. But if morph is going to be in the set, i would not doubt to see slivers along with it too.
If they bring back Madness, Kicker, and Threshold, I'll be happy. However, I can't really think of anything else that I would like to see return.
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I bet wizards wanted Time Spiral to be a big suprise, but when we let the cat out of the bag, they got pissed. Sounds like an awesome idea for a set if all rumors are true.
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Er, well actually the real names have quite a bit of relevance. Let's examine:
Torment - a very black word (and a black card) which ended up being a mostly black set.
Onslaught - conjures images of hordes of creatures. And it ended up being the start of a very creature-dominated block.
Legions - all-creature set. 'nuff said?
Fifth Dawn - The set had a theme of using all five colors of mana. Fifth. Five.
Kamigawa - We kind of knew this ahead of time, but this obviously shows that the sets have an Asian theme.
Ravnica: City of Guilds - Sure, the city name is meaningless. However, before we had any information on than the name, "City of Guilds" caused many people to suspect that the set had a theme of multicolored factions and urban settings.
I'd love to see Dominaria again. I'd like to see what happens when Shiv and Otaria phase in(aside from the massive tsunamis and whatnot).
Mechanics I'd love to see returned: Threshold and Kicker. These are my two favourite mechanics by far. I think it may be too soon to say what will and won't be in the set though.
I started played Magic during Invasion, but I've read the books and as far as I know, every Plane visited has been tied to Dominaria in some way. Mirrodin was Karn's creation. Kamigawa had Toshi Umezawa, who was brought to Dominaria by O'Night(which explains some of the Umezawa ancestory). Rath was part of the overlay onto Dominaria. Mercadia was founded by a group of people with goblins as guides to survive, who planeshifted there way back when Yawgmoth was still human(sort of).
Basically, no matter what the future sets hold, so far(to the best of my knowledge) it's always been linked to Dominaria. The game/books are based on the multiverse, but Dominaria is a focal point for the plot ideas. It's kind of cool. Anyways...I've rambled.
Any and all mechanics that return are welcomed by me. I, personally, would love to see all the mechanics return, but I only think the famous and non-broken ones will. I just hope they don't have a bunch of reprints so that it is an advanced set of Ninth (core sets are considered intermediate level).
I hope that this block turns out like onslaught did, set on Dominaria, but distinct from every other set on that plane. Perhaps one or two old mechanics revisited (onslaught=cycle) but also new mechanics.
Somehow though, I'm pretty sure that if a mechanic is used again it won't be time spiral's "free" mechanic
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I think the idea is cool, I don't understand how different it will feel from Chronicles as a block... Normally people look forward to new mechanics with a new block but I guess it is a good occasion to stop and look back at all the stuff that was made before and make it tournament worthy, especially in places like Legacy and Extended... I mean, let's face it... What other morph creature beside Exalted Angel is getting attention in Eternal formats? What other pitch spell is getting attention besides Force of Will? What free spells are used besides Land Grant? A lot of these mechanics were created when there was a much murkier idea as far as card power went and when the card pool was still a sandbox. If anything, one can say that most of the cards we see today might not be more powerful than older ones, but there is a stronger sense of what kind of effects go with certain mana costs. I don't think there's nothing inherently wrong with bringing back old mechanics to the game, but it'll be the first time that happens in the Standard format, and the sole idea takes away a major selling point for new cards to the "older crowd". But maybe they can take that and make it an advantage for newer players that haven't hung around enough to remember snow-covered and flanking.
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I started played Magic during Invasion, but I've read the books and as far as I know, every Plane visited has been tied to Dominaria in some way. Mirrodin was Karn's creation. Kamigawa had Toshi Umezawa, who was brought to Dominaria by O'Night(which explains some of the Umezawa ancestory). Rath was part of the overlay onto Dominaria. Mercadia was founded by a group of people with goblins as guides to survive, who planeshifted there way back when Yawgmoth was still human(sort of).
True all the past sets have linked back, how has Ravnica? I don't see any connection, but perhaps it might be revealed later on in Dissention?
Anyways, I think that "Time Spiral" will bring back one mechanic per block. Therefore, they won't bring back Flashback and Threshhold, but they could bring back Morph, Kicker, and Modular :dance2:
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I started played Magic during Invasion, but I've read the books and as far as I know, every Plane visited has been tied to Dominaria in some way. Mirrodin was Karn's creation. Kamigawa had Toshi Umezawa, who was brought to Dominaria by O'Night(which explains some of the Umezawa ancestory). Rath was part of the overlay onto Dominaria. Mercadia was founded by a group of people with goblins as guides to survive, who planeshifted there way back when Yawgmoth was still human(sort of).
Basically, no matter what the future sets hold, so far(to the best of my knowledge) it's always been linked to Dominaria. The game/books are based on the multiverse, but Dominaria is a focal point for the plot ideas. It's kind of cool. Anyways...I've rambled.
Well, you could say that they were linked via the fact that Karn populated Mirrodin with many races from Ravnica, such as Loxodon and Vedalken...but that's a weaker link.
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What other pitch spell is getting attention besides Force of Will? What free spells are used besides Land Grant?
Don't forget Fireblast, Spinning Darkness, Crash, Daze, and Gush. These are all cards I've seen used recently in Legacy, except for Gush of course, since it's banned in that format...they'd love to use it
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I still hate, hate this idea. Some things just don't work well at all using this. For example - unless you have a lot of morph cards, morph doesn't work well as a mechanic because the bluffing angle is just not great.
Ugh. How creatively dull.
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hey hey, I like making things up that dont neccessarily have to make sense. Seeing as how most other people do the same thing. *looks at the current US president on tv* (joke, harhar)
Seriously though it should be noted that this is speculation, and guessing is admitedly accepted bc this is in fact The Rumor Mill thread. So dont play-down my guessing. I'm taking the name at face value and not superinposing any previous actions taken by WotC, ie. what you said Caranthir.
note: maybe they will do flashback again. that I found to be a fun/clever mechanic. just make the mana cost for flashbacking reasonable and i would have no complaint about it comming back.
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Personally, I'd like it to take place in the much older places, since I started reading the books at Oddysee. I planned on reading all the books at some point, but I need to track them down and order them, no store around here has anything earlier than Mirrodin now.
Edit: After reading the three posts that popped up while I was posting: I don't think that they would revisit phasing so soon after releasing Mirage block on MtGO, do you? People would have two blocks with phasing and it would jsut create yuckiness in several degrees.
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Anyway, good to have confirmation, but I'm still skeptic about this name's coolness. Hopefully it will grow on me.
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Heck, they've printed multiple sets with the names of cards...Apocalypse, Torment, Onslaught, Prophecy. Note, they generally don't have any connection to the mechanics of the card...Time Spiral will not be a set full of blue cards, or super-broken cards.
I kind of like the name, and I love the idea of revisiting old mechanics I was working on a similar homemade set called "Strange Eons" that revisited snow-covered, phasing, etc. I guess I'll have to finish that up now
I agree 100%. It's a chance to shape up old decks as well. I mean morph style decks could use some new stradegy or any other mechanic for that matter. I think its great to give a old mechanic new life so they don't just die.
I doubt, however, that they'll be using many many of the old mechanics. I think they'll still trickle them out, maybe one old keyword each set along with new keywords too.
Only cycling has actually been re-used, right?
My votes are echo, flanking and madness....
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Would it be that horrible to go to 2 or 3 other planes before coming back?
Is WotC to afraid to leave the cash cow plane for to long?
And on a slightly unrelated note,how is 10 years later "not too late to release the last Ice Age expansion"?Thats like someone who just got HIV and saying it's not to late to protect themself from it.
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By meshing sets and mechanics together, WotC gets to do what EXT players do, but in Standard. Mesh mechanics together in decks. Dredge + Threshold AND Flashback... combo or what? There have been numberous times that two sets mechanics (and themed cards) work well with older mechanics or themes. Although WotC will have a chance to stop these "incredibly good" interactions from breaking every format, they can still leave powerful deck archetypes in Standard.
I'm an old-school-color-pie fan, personally, and although I understand the new pie (and quite frankly think it's balanced), I still want a return of older mechanics. With Mark Rosewater always say of mechanics that "we leave mechanics broad in the rules design space so we can revisit them later"... well, with a set called "Timespiral" or "Time Spiral", and a revisit to post-Dominaria, then it makes much sense to mix and mash mechanics and explore undesigned mechanics design space.
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Er, well actually the real names have quite a bit of relevance. Let's examine:
Torment - a very black word (and a black card) which ended up being a mostly black set.
Onslaught - conjures images of hordes of creatures. And it ended up being the start of a very creature-dominated block.
Legions - all-creature set. 'nuff said?
Fifth Dawn - The set had a theme of using all five colors of mana. Fifth. Five.
Kamigawa - We kind of knew this ahead of time, but this obviously shows that the sets have an Asian theme.
Ravnica: City of Guilds - Sure, the city name is meaningless. However, before we had any information on than the name, "City of Guilds" caused many people to suspect that the set had a theme of multicolored factions and urban settings.
intersting idea but i think the whole time spiral was suppoesd to mean that they wanted to to back to the way things were before all the mutants and slivers ran rampent. But if morph is going to be in the set, i would not doubt to see slivers along with it too.
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Mechanics I'd love to see returned: Threshold and Kicker. These are my two favourite mechanics by far. I think it may be too soon to say what will and won't be in the set though.
I started played Magic during Invasion, but I've read the books and as far as I know, every Plane visited has been tied to Dominaria in some way. Mirrodin was Karn's creation. Kamigawa had Toshi Umezawa, who was brought to Dominaria by O'Night(which explains some of the Umezawa ancestory). Rath was part of the overlay onto Dominaria. Mercadia was founded by a group of people with goblins as guides to survive, who planeshifted there way back when Yawgmoth was still human(sort of).
Basically, no matter what the future sets hold, so far(to the best of my knowledge) it's always been linked to Dominaria. The game/books are based on the multiverse, but Dominaria is a focal point for the plot ideas. It's kind of cool. Anyways...I've rambled.
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Somehow though, I'm pretty sure that if a mechanic is used again it won't be time spiral's "free" mechanic
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True all the past sets have linked back, how has Ravnica? I don't see any connection, but perhaps it might be revealed later on in Dissention?
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Anyways, I think that "Time Spiral" will bring back one mechanic per block. Therefore, they won't bring back Flashback and Threshhold, but they could bring back Morph, Kicker, and Modular :dance2:
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Well, you could say that they were linked via the fact that Karn populated Mirrodin with many races from Ravnica, such as Loxodon and Vedalken...but that's a weaker link.
Don't forget Fireblast, Spinning Darkness, Crash, Daze, and Gush. These are all cards I've seen used recently in Legacy, except for Gush of course, since it's banned in that format...they'd love to use it
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Ugh. How creatively dull.