Regarding Hour of Reckoning, haven't they said that they're not going to use token/nontoken as distinction where they can avoid it? They've made the point that it's essentially flavorless, and it seems to me they're quite right... so why the sudden reversal?
No, you can't go back to Kamigawa... been a long time gone, Kamigawa. Why did Kamigawa get the works? That's nobody's business but the Orcs.
Seriously though... on the surface Recollect deserves a good look in Vintage. You've got your restricted bombs, and at just one more mana than the restricted Regrowth, it seems like you could break Recollect quite easily. Plus you don't have to commit to green as heavily as you would if you tried Eternal Witness instead. But the problem is that green is the worst Vintage color, and even Regrowth isn't used much these days as a splash. The only deck in the Top 8 of the recent Vintage championship to run Regrowth did so... in its sideboard. This is because all recursion has to measure up against the Yawgmoth's Will benchmark. Just about the only card I can think of that you'd want to recur consistently is of course Ancestral Recall, but I think you'd be better off dedicating slots to making sure you draw Ancestral than making sure you can play it again after you've used it. You'd look silly holding a fistful of Recollects with nothing to use them on, which is why I say Recollect isn't broken. But I invite someone to design me a deck to show me wrong!
As for Bloodletter Quill... Professor Umbridge, eat your heart out.
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As for Bloodletter Quill... Professor Umbridge, eat your heart out.
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Truer words never spoken janelle!
I'm sure there are those out there that will try to play the Quill, but I'm not really down for trying it yet. Between the new Telling Time card in Rav, and Dimir Cutpurse, there's plenty of other efficient card drawers out there that make this completely obsolete.
I'm inclined to think that only 2 of these cards will see constructed play. The others are sub-par, and imo only one (quill) will see block play...maybe. The Glean crawler and recollect, on the other hand, are very good cards. Solid cards.
Gleancrawler + Kokusho + Miren, the Moaning Well =
I'm pretty sure that Hour of Reckoning and Recollect are pretty nuts.
I think that I will rebuild the good ol' Thallid deck come this October.
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Originally Posted by Green Arrow Yes I did, I wouldn't fully disagree with chronoplasam. Perhaps I do deserve toture. But who amongst us besides myself has what it takes to toture me?
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Compared to what? I think compared to chocolate ice cream, women, unicorns, and kung fu, the state pretty much sucks.
Seriously though... on the surface Recollect deserves a good look in Vintage. You've got your restricted bombs, and at just one more mana than the restricted Regrowth, it seems like you could break Recollect quite easily.
Recollect will never see play in Type One. The fact that Regrowth is still even restricted is a joke, as I'm sure if it were legal nobody would play it anyways. I can't remember the last time I saw a Type One deck with Green in it, unless I'm forgetting an obvious one. I don't play the format much, but I don't see what purpose Regrowth serves that is so broken.
If Call of the Herd and Raise the Alarm and that Wrath were all in the same environment... *goes whip up a casual deck*
Recollect isn't broken, but it's nice to see some deliberate raising of the power level. Eternal Witness was good but it was a push for green (Fifth Dawn... Green Sun...) and it did cost double green mana. Recollect is simply universal utility in a color that lacks its. If nothing else, it ensures you can replay the 6/6 when it dies. Heh.
More funny than RE's sarcasm is how some people can't detect RE's sarcasm.
Recollect will never see play in Type One. The fact that Regrowth is still even restricted is a joke, as I'm sure if it were legal nobody would play it anyways. I can't remember the last time I saw a Type One deck with Green in it, unless I'm forgetting an obvious one. I don't play the format much, but I don't see what purpose Regrowth serves that is so broken.
I could see Regrowth as part of a Time Walk/Tinker Gifts stack, and I even had it in my build of gifts for awhile, the only issue was that with no other playable green cards, there was no reason to expose the manabase to Wastleland and Titan that much. That said, Regrowth provides a powerful effect quite efficiently, so saying that no one would play it seems kind of foolish. Also Oath and Xantid Swarm Combo decks are both T1 decks with green in them.
so many flavours of fun! Only question will be which of these will you be playing main deck anyway. Liking Ravinca alot. Golgari reanimation is looking good so far.
Edit: Hana Kami could be a good call. Use it to recurr Waking Nightmare, Horobi's Whisper, Cranial Ex. or Hideous Laughter anyway, and with the Gleancrawler in play thanks to Vigor Mortis (great name!), it's a card advantage machine.
I'm old school, about as OLD school as they get. think 4th Edition/Ice Age old school. Unfortunatley in the "Real world" you cant Incinerate your bank manager and sadly now I have joined the ranks of the older population, and my time is taken up by things like reasearching Mortgage Refinance Rates and where to get the best possible mortgage quotes. I have however discovered the joys of Online Forex Trading which at least allows me to keep the bills in check!
The g/b guy is just sick. If you recurr 1 Kokusho with this you have gotten your money's worth--and I'm thinking that g/b is going to have a LOT of ways to do that. Some deck with Pact, Golgari Queen, this dude, kokusho, and miscellaneous junk is going to be a force I think (at least, from what we know so far of the format it seems likely).
The g/w guy is really cool. He pretty much ends games in limited, holding off any non-trampling offensive and becoming a huge beater if they even try to get through. In constructed, I could see this becoming at the very least a sideboard card (in aggro vs aggro [especially red aggro] this guy can be very game-swinging).
Recollect is going tosee play, I've just this minute finished a little trial of it in my Rav/KBC G/B deck, and it's clutch with goodies like Putrefy and Farseek... I'm already rating it as one of the top cards of the set, and seeing as there's about a hundred of those already, it's lookin' really crouded at the top...
Ravnica.... So many good cards, not enough Sleeves!
First, thank you for the cards, but I think you're being a bit to critical of them...
EDIT: Sarcasm has always befuddled me, and this is no different. I started suspecting it with the first one, but you still got me. Anyway, take these as my take on the cards...
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Gleancrawler - :3mana::symbg::symbg::symbg:
Creature - Insect Horror (R)
Trample
At the end of your turn, return to your hand all creature cards put into your graveyard from play this turn.
6/6
Costs more than a Spiritmonger, and that changed colours and got +1/+1 counters, so there's no room for something like this. Guida mana rocks, and this has cool flavour though... to "glean" is to gather - in this case, the dead. But that ability is pretty bad - Raise Dead never sees play. This should have been uncommon at most.
I love this card, a 6/6 trampler for six is still pretty amazing, and that ability just puts it over the top for me. You can sacrifice a bunch of cheap creatures for an effect, then just get them back at the end of turn. Or it can just regrow all the creatures you lost in combat, that's pretty good in my book!
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Bloodletter Quill - 3
Artifact (R) 2, :symtap:, Put a blood counter on Bloodletter Quill: Draw a card, then lose 1 life for each blood counter on Bloodletter Quill. 1UB: Remove a blood counter from Bloodletter Quill.
I'd rather just play Jayemdae Tome and not have to risk losing any life. Once you pay yourself down to 0, you're dead, and your opponent is going to laugh right in your face. "You killed yourself, stupid, you're dead! HAHAHAHA!" I can just hear it. :redface: No thank you!
I have to say, I love this card for it's cheap draw, and you can remove the counters at end of turn with an extra mana if need be. The cost makes this better than Jayemdae Tome, certainly. This is definately a card to be careful with, but it can be quite potent if weilded properly.
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Hour of Reckoning - 4WWW
Sorcery (R)
Convoke (Each creature you tap while playing this spell reduces its cost by or by one mana of that creature's color.)
Destroy all nontoken creatures.
Meh. For 7 mana, this should say "you win". But it doesn't, because what happens if your opponent has a token creature, or a Rukh Egg, or a Will-o'-the-Wisp? Then you're hooped. And Convoke doesn't help this at all... why would you have any creatures to tap, if you're planning on wrathing? The only deck this is good in is a deck that plays with tokens, and nobody would bother to do that. Tokens are mostly small and small equals bad.
Um... what about all those token-generating cards and spells? When I read your comment on this I wasn't even sure that you were serious, because I love this card! Imagine using a G/W deck, pumping out ten or so tokens, playing this, then swinging next turn. Also, I like this card's interaction with Loxodon Heirarch. I don't think it's too bad.
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Recollect - 2G
Sorcery (U)
Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
Not as good as Regrowth or Eternal Witness, therefore unplayable. Should be common like Elven Cache because just for being splashable and cheaper doesn't mean it's playable. Dredge may work well with it, but that's a block mechanic so this might see a little play in a few block decks, that's it. And such an elegant name and wording makes it seem like a 10th edition plant. Lastly, it's worded incorrectly.
Of course, Witness was overpowered, as was Regrowth. I think this should be a balanced, but decent, sorcery and is suitable at uncommon. It's no lightning Helix or Putrefy, but it's pretty good.
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Phytohydra - 2GWW
Creature - Plant Hydra (R)
If damage would be dealt to Phytohydra, put that many +1/+1 counters on it instead.
1/1
The flavour is kinda cool, but this dies to Petrefy, Terminate, and Counterspell. No thanks!
Run this in G/W/R and play Wildfire the next turn, that's pretty brutal. Frankly, all the good creatures in this set die to Putrefy, Terminate, and Counterspell, hell, almost all creatures die to that, but being immune to dying in combat is pretty amazing.
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I'm really happy with these, thank you!
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WotC: you should've kept the same team that designed Ravnica - they had some sense of creativity. The Guildpact team appears to have the combined resourcefulness of three baboons, a plunger, and a broken coconut. Go team!
So THAT's the block wrath variant?
Let's just hope Guildpact has a Final Judgment to make up for this Myojin of Cleansing Fire.
I don't like any of those cards. Although I have to disagree with R_E, because 6/6 guild-mana trampler for six plus useful ability doesn'l look uncommon at all in my eyes.
Gleancrawler - :3mana::symbg::symbg::symbg:
Creature - Insect Horror (R)
Trample
At the end of your turn, return to your hand all creature cards put into your graveyard from play this turn.
6/6
Does the color pie even exist any more? Now black gets a creature with P/T = mana cost + trample and an ability for the same cost as green? Whatever.
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Phytohydra - 2GWW
Creature - Plant Hydra (R)
If damage would be dealt to Phytohydra, put that many +1/+1 counters on it instead.
1/1
To correct whoever mentioned it earlier: The Quill/Chisei combo does work. You stack Chisei's upkeep trigger, then respond to it by drawing a card with the Quill.
So anyways, I want to play Phytohydra with Shining Shoal.
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To correct whomever mentioned it earlier: The Quill/Chisei combo does work. You stack Chisei's upkeep trigger, then respond to it by drawing a card with the Quill.
Yeah, you can do that, but you still lose one life from the Quill because its activation resolves before Chisei's trigger. The dispute was over whether you would lose the life or not.
Now, I pose you a question: Recollect: "to remember" or "to gather again"?
Seriously though... on the surface Recollect deserves a good look in Vintage. You've got your restricted bombs, and at just one more mana than the restricted Regrowth, it seems like you could break Recollect quite easily. Plus you don't have to commit to green as heavily as you would if you tried Eternal Witness instead. But the problem is that green is the worst Vintage color, and even Regrowth isn't used much these days as a splash. The only deck in the Top 8 of the recent Vintage championship to run Regrowth did so... in its sideboard. This is because all recursion has to measure up against the Yawgmoth's Will benchmark. Just about the only card I can think of that you'd want to recur consistently is of course Ancestral Recall, but I think you'd be better off dedicating slots to making sure you draw Ancestral than making sure you can play it again after you've used it. You'd look silly holding a fistful of Recollects with nothing to use them on, which is why I say Recollect isn't broken. But I invite someone to design me a deck to show me wrong!
As for Bloodletter Quill... Professor Umbridge, eat your heart out.
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Yesterday
All my troubles were so far away
Now it looks as though they're here to stay
Truer words never spoken janelle!
I'm sure there are those out there that will try to play the Quill, but I'm not really down for trying it yet. Between the new Telling Time card in Rav, and Dimir Cutpurse, there's plenty of other efficient card drawers out there that make this completely obsolete.
Ravnica... I for one believe in Serverus Snape!!!
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Gleancrawler + Kokusho + Miren, the Moaning Well =
I think that I will rebuild the good ol' Thallid deck come this October.
now begins the thousand years of REIGN OF BLOOD!
Recollect will never see play in Type One. The fact that Regrowth is still even restricted is a joke, as I'm sure if it were legal nobody would play it anyways. I can't remember the last time I saw a Type One deck with Green in it, unless I'm forgetting an obvious one. I don't play the format much, but I don't see what purpose Regrowth serves that is so broken.
Recollect isn't broken, but it's nice to see some deliberate raising of the power level. Eternal Witness was good but it was a push for green (Fifth Dawn... Green Sun...) and it did cost double green mana. Recollect is simply universal utility in a color that lacks its. If nothing else, it ensures you can replay the 6/6 when it dies. Heh.
More funny than RE's sarcasm is how some people can't detect RE's sarcasm.
I could see Regrowth as part of a Time Walk/Tinker Gifts stack, and I even had it in my build of gifts for awhile, the only issue was that with no other playable green cards, there was no reason to expose the manabase to Wastleland and Titan that much. That said, Regrowth provides a powerful effect quite efficiently, so saying that no one would play it seems kind of foolish. Also Oath and Xantid Swarm Combo decks are both T1 decks with green in them.
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so many flavours of fun! Only question will be which of these will you be playing main deck anyway. Liking Ravinca alot. Golgari reanimation is looking good so far.
Edit: Hana Kami could be a good call. Use it to recurr Waking Nightmare, Horobi's Whisper, Cranial Ex. or Hideous Laughter anyway, and with the Gleancrawler in play thanks to Vigor Mortis (great name!), it's a card advantage machine.
Okay, ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Recollect, Recollect, and Wurm's Tooth? :smile2:
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The g/w guy is really cool. He pretty much ends games in limited, holding off any non-trampling offensive and becoming a huge beater if they even try to get through. In constructed, I could see this becoming at the very least a sideboard card (in aggro vs aggro [especially red aggro] this guy can be very game-swinging).
lol! we said broken not bung!
Recollect is going tosee play, I've just this minute finished a little trial of it in my Rav/KBC G/B deck, and it's clutch with goodies like Putrefy and Farseek... I'm already rating it as one of the top cards of the set, and seeing as there's about a hundred of those already, it's lookin' really crouded at the top...
Ravnica.... So many good cards, not enough Sleeves!
EDIT: Sarcasm has always befuddled me, and this is no different. I started suspecting it with the first one, but you still got me. Anyway, take these as my take on the cards...
I love this card, a 6/6 trampler for six is still pretty amazing, and that ability just puts it over the top for me. You can sacrifice a bunch of cheap creatures for an effect, then just get them back at the end of turn. Or it can just regrow all the creatures you lost in combat, that's pretty good in my book!
I have to say, I love this card for it's cheap draw, and you can remove the counters at end of turn with an extra mana if need be. The cost makes this better than Jayemdae Tome, certainly. This is definately a card to be careful with, but it can be quite potent if weilded properly.
Um... what about all those token-generating cards and spells? When I read your comment on this I wasn't even sure that you were serious, because I love this card! Imagine using a G/W deck, pumping out ten or so tokens, playing this, then swinging next turn. Also, I like this card's interaction with Loxodon Heirarch. I don't think it's too bad.
Of course, Witness was overpowered, as was Regrowth. I think this should be a balanced, but decent, sorcery and is suitable at uncommon. It's no lightning Helix or Putrefy, but it's pretty good.
Run this in G/W/R and play Wildfire the next turn, that's pretty brutal. Frankly, all the good creatures in this set die to Putrefy, Terminate, and Counterspell, hell, almost all creatures die to that, but being immune to dying in combat is pretty amazing.
I'm really happy with these, thank you!
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Let's just hope Guildpact has a Final Judgment to make up for this Myojin of Cleansing Fire.
I don't like any of those cards. Although I have to disagree with R_E, because 6/6 guild-mana trampler for six plus useful ability doesn'l look uncommon at all in my eyes.
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Phytohydra is begging to be broken. Just begging.
Does the color pie even exist any more? Now black gets a creature with P/T = mana cost + trample and an ability for the same cost as green? Whatever.
That's cute. Worth building a deck around.
So anyways, I want to play Phytohydra with Shining Shoal.
About Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx:
Yeah, you can do that, but you still lose one life from the Quill because its activation resolves before Chisei's trigger. The dispute was over whether you would lose the life or not.
Now, I pose you a question: Recollect: "to remember" or "to gather again"?
Yes you can!
But remember: most mass removal is Sorcery speed...unless your the one casting it, in which case that doesn't matter.