Well in the third countdown to 9th edition (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/feature/273) has revealed what's up with the lord conundrum... they're getting more types! That's right, boys and girls, Goblin King is now a GOBLIN Lord, except with his lord ability now reading "OTHER goblins you control get blah blah blah". No doubt that Lord of the Undead, which will be reprinted in 9th, will become a Zombie Lord, and Elvish Champion will become an Elf Lord... but the question remains, will wizzies errata all the lonely Lords? Will Lord of Atlantis become a Merfolk Lord, will Zombie Master become a Zombie Lord?
Of that I don't know, but it raises another question... wizards has been trying to remove rules baggage attached to types (legend, wall), and now it seems they're trying to fix some of the things that don't make a lot of sense, so will the old only-Legends, which currently have no creature type, be given new types any time in the future?
For those of you who don't know, the problem originally arose when creatures were supposed to have only one creature type, and it was usually a race type, not a utility types (like Merfolk, and not Wizard). Now it seems creatures are supposed to have two types, one race and one utlity, and extended is put in a weird place when cards that depend on creature types (which used to be less common) become standardized.
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But as it's not really speculation anymore, it should be in the main forum. As for the whether or not wizzies will errata all lords... well that's different .
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I'm not saying anyone should bother with an Extended merfolk deck, I'm just point out that this powers up some cards that used to be only "so-so". 20 damage in 4 turns without anything too bizarre happening...
Just a little thought: Haven't WotC said they'll not errate creature types for creatures not reprinted.. As far as I know Lord of Atlantis is not reprinted in 9th, so are they gonna change the creature type to merfolk? or just leave it as it is?
Just a little thought: Haven't WotC said they'll not errate creature types for creatures not reprinted.. As far as I know Lord of Atlantis is not reprinted in 9th, so are they gonna change the creature type to merfolk? or just leave it as it is?
Did they defintely say that? I thought it was just one of the possibilities they were considering.
Personally I think they should just go ahead and finish the job. Then again I only play online and that takes care of all the errata for you, so I'm probably biased.
I'm soooooo happy I was already toying around with a goblin deck for post 9th rotation, so this is great news. I just hope they do indeed errata the other lords as I may have to bring back my old merfolk deck /grin.
This is definately an improvement, and I hope that they errata the other lords to reflect this change as well, as it makes them better (something errata usually does the opposite of....Mirror Universe anybody?)
Just a little thought: Haven't WotC said they'll not errate creature types for creatures not reprinted.. As far as I know Lord of Atlantis is not reprinted in 9th, so are they gonna change the creature type to merfolk? or just leave it as it is?
For tournament games it probably won't be. But for casual games - if someone wants to play merfolk, I would give them that the Lord of Atlantis is himself a Merfolk Lord. Just like I have always given that Savannah Lions is a cat, and that Giant Albatross is a brid.
ive been trying to explain to my friend that this is indeed a new change and not a reversion to the original. cause if you look at the Alpha Goblin King, it says 'Summon Goblin King'. I say they didn't have multi-type creatures then, so it was never a goblin. he says, it says goblin so it used to work on other goblin kings.
any ideas on how i can 'prove' this to him? thanks
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I too am curious whether they'll errata the other lords or not. That would mean changes to Kobold Overlord, Lord of Atlantis and Zombie Master. And what about Eladamri?
No. They're not going back to do any errata unless it's being reprinted. They don't like it when no card versions say what they should.
Just a little thought: Haven't WotC said they'll not errate creature types for creatures not reprinted.. As far as I know Lord of Atlantis is not reprinted in 9th, so are they gonna change the creature type to merfolk? or just leave it as it is?
Nothing is certain with WotC, they have said a lot of things that are 'general guidelines' that they go back on.
They don't like random discard - the reprint Hypnotic Specter
They don't like having rare lands - the reprint pain lands
They don't think you should have easy access to enemy colors - the reprint enemy painlands
EDIT: If they errata a card (Goldin King) to be a goblin, then all goblin kings every printed are also goblins regardless whether the card says it or not.
Also, Goblin King is NOT playable in extended, unless it is a one-of. Giving your opponent's creatures mountainwalk and +1/+1 is not a good thing.
Eladamri, Lord of Leaves is from Rath, and the Core Sets all take place on Dominaria, on the continent of Aerona, so it wouldn't make sense to reprint him in a Core Set, but nothing WoTC does makes sense, so they might reprint him.
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I think that the Goblin King decision was good in that it makes sense, and bad in that now you will have to explain to others how Goblin King works
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The Core Sets take place nowhere and everywhere. They have no set storyline other than 7th having a vague paladin-attack-each-other flavour. Anything (including cards representing things that exist only in specific places) is fair game for reprinting. The 10 painlands, for example, originally represented places that didn't exist in the same area or at the same time, but they're all "back". Well, they're not really back, they're just being printed in a Core Set. It means little to the Magic storyline.
Eladamri, Lord of Leaves is another matter - he's not a Lord. But it's a good question - why doesn't he have a creature type? Originally he was just a Legend, because:
1) Creatures could only have one type; and
2) Legendary creatures had to have their creature type as "Legend" because "Legendary" wasn't invented yet.
There's little doubt what his race is. I think it's silly for them not to fix that (and a few other very obvious cards). My guess is that they don't because once they started, they'd have to go back and look at every creature printed before 8th.
A predictable, but good move from wizards, even if it's purely from a logic standpoint, what's so strong about lords being able to pump other lords? ...Wait, that didn't sound right...
At the very least casual decks featuring the lords got a lot more viable, Good stuff.
The Core Sets take place nowhere and everywhere. They have no set storyline other than 7th having a vague paladin-attack-each-other flavour. Anything (including cards representing things that exist only in specific places) is fair game for reprinting. The 10 painlands, for example, originally represented places that didn't exist in the same area or at the same time, but they're all "back". Well, they're not really back, they're just being printed in a Core Set. It means little to the Magic storyline.
Actually, an old Wizards site said that Fourth Edition took place on Aerona. The Seventh Edition flavor texts were biased against the Eastern and Western paladins (the 'bad guys'), and the Northern and Southern paladins (the 'good guys') probably won the war, so I like to think that the Northern and Southern paladins were just as bad (or worse than) as the Eastern and Western paladins, but they won the war and rewrote history after the war ended. Unfortunately, this is probably not what Wizards intended; it was probably meant to be a cliche good-vs.-evil story that they thought would attract new players, thinking that people liked that sort of stuff. The one good thing about the paladin war was the flavor text of Infernal Contract, which describes most people's reactions to the Kamigawa block.
All of the Core Sets feature locations such as Oneah, Benalia, and Llanowar. Seventh Edition had a story, (even if it was an idiotic good-vs.-evil story about paladins (I hate paladins!)), and it took place on Aerona.
Huh, I never heard of that. I didn't even know that there was such a storyline in any edition, fourth or seventh.
I always think of the editions as "taking place" in Dominaria. I guess that was a mistake.
Of that I don't know, but it raises another question... wizards has been trying to remove rules baggage attached to types (legend, wall), and now it seems they're trying to fix some of the things that don't make a lot of sense, so will the old only-Legends, which currently have no creature type, be given new types any time in the future?
For those of you who don't know, the problem originally arose when creatures were supposed to have only one creature type, and it was usually a race type, not a utility types (like Merfolk, and not Wizard). Now it seems creatures are supposed to have two types, one race and one utlity, and extended is put in a weird place when cards that depend on creature types (which used to be less common) become standardized.
WoooooooT! :smile2:
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How about...
1) Island, Manta Riders.
2) Island, Lord of Atlantis, attack for 2.
3) Island, Lord of Atlantis, attack for 6 (some is flying).
4) Lord of Atlantis, attack for 12 (some is flying).
I'm not saying anyone should bother with an Extended merfolk deck, I'm just point out that this powers up some cards that used to be only "so-so". 20 damage in 4 turns without anything too bizarre happening...
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Did they defintely say that? I thought it was just one of the possibilities they were considering.
Personally I think they should just go ahead and finish the job. Then again I only play online and that takes care of all the errata for you, so I'm probably biased.
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For tournament games it probably won't be. But for casual games - if someone wants to play merfolk, I would give them that the Lord of Atlantis is himself a Merfolk Lord. Just like I have always given that Savannah Lions is a cat, and that Giant Albatross is a brid.
any ideas on how i can 'prove' this to him? thanks
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WOW... That just changed Extended a LOT ....
Guess I need to actually get 4 Goblin Kings now for extended...
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No. They're not going back to do any errata unless it's being reprinted. They don't like it when no card versions say what they should.
Most likely, as should be Elvish Champion.
Nothing is certain with WotC, they have said a lot of things that are 'general guidelines' that they go back on.
They don't like random discard - the reprint Hypnotic Specter
They don't like having rare lands - the reprint pain lands
They don't think you should have easy access to enemy colors - the reprint enemy painlands
EDIT: If they errata a card (Goldin King) to be a goblin, then all goblin kings every printed are also goblins regardless whether the card says it or not.
Also, Goblin King is NOT playable in extended, unless it is a one-of. Giving your opponent's creatures mountainwalk and +1/+1 is not a good thing.
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I think that the Goblin King decision was good in that it makes sense, and bad in that now you will have to explain to others how Goblin King works
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Eladamri, Lord of Leaves is another matter - he's not a Lord. But it's a good question - why doesn't he have a creature type? Originally he was just a Legend, because:
1) Creatures could only have one type; and
2) Legendary creatures had to have their creature type as "Legend" because "Legendary" wasn't invented yet.
There's little doubt what his race is. I think it's silly for them not to fix that (and a few other very obvious cards). My guess is that they don't because once they started, they'd have to go back and look at every creature printed before 8th.
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At the very least casual decks featuring the lords got a lot more viable, Good stuff.
Maybe they thought him being untargetable and theoretically unblockable would be too good? :tongue2:
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Huh, I never heard of that. I didn't even know that there was such a storyline in any edition, fourth or seventh.
I always think of the editions as "taking place" in Dominaria. I guess that was a mistake.
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