Oh, I thought you meant real Standard. What's elvish Champions ability, anyway?
:tongue2: we're discussing vanguard and the vanguard format.....i figure it's assumed.
Anyway, Elvish Champ gives you a Llanowar elf in play. Another thing to make note is that until recently, the vanguard granted an 8 card hand. On the draw you have 9 cards. So then it was REALLY easy to pull this off. Amazingly enough though, the format is broken enough as it is that such a deck wasn't all that powerful, as there were two decks that could pull an infinite creature loop by turn 2.....turn 3 or 4 at latest.
One of the new vanguard ability chnages to occur makes the Elf give only 7 cards, and went from 21 life to 15 life. It's still gonna be broken, as the belcher decks from it were just as gross. 3 land decks: forest, swamp, mountain. Lay of the land in hand was pretty much GG since you have elf token. If you have lay of the land plus a land in hand its well beyond gg. Spoils of the vault for the belcher and you win pretty much.
If they want to bring Vanguard into tourneys again, they're going to need to ban quite a few cards. Zombie Infestation, Wirewood Symbiote, and charbelcher to name a few. They screwed up a while back when they removed summoning sickness from the elf token for elvsih champ. It originially did have the sickness, but not anymore.
In short, Vanguard is so broken anything is possible.
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Nice. I really like the oni, the life is negligible and the +1 hand size is great.
The ability in the right deck is awesome.
U/G madness is the natural home for it I think, since it gives an already explosive deck more firepower and an amazing ability.
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:tongue2: we're discussing vanguard and the vanguard format.....i figure it's assumed.
Anyway, Elvish Champ gives you a Llanowar elf in play. Another thing to make note is that until recently, the vanguard granted an 8 card hand. On the draw you have 9 cards. So then it was REALLY easy to pull this off. Amazingly enough though, the format is broken enough as it is that such a deck wasn't all that powerful, as there were two decks that could pull an infinite creature loop by turn 2.....turn 3 or 4 at latest.
One of the new vanguard ability chnages to occur makes the Elf give only 7 cards, and went from 21 life to 15 life. It's still gonna be broken, as the belcher decks from it were just as gross. 3 land decks: forest, swamp, mountain. Lay of the land in hand was pretty much GG since you have elf token. If you have lay of the land plus a land in hand its well beyond gg. Spoils of the vault for the belcher and you win pretty much.
If they want to bring Vanguard into tourneys again, they're going to need to ban quite a few cards. Zombie Infestation, Wirewood Symbiote, and charbelcher to name a few. They screwed up a while back when they removed summoning sickness from the elf token for elvsih champ. It originially did have the sickness, but not anymore.
In short, Vanguard is so broken anything is possible.
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So it's just perventing legend abuse, though having Hero's Demise on a vangaurd stick would have been nice, I guess...
Not really.
The ability in the right deck is awesome.
U/G madness is the natural home for it I think, since it gives an already explosive deck more firepower and an amazing ability.
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