Kiyomaro, First to Stand Kiyomaro has power and toughness equal to the number of cards in your hand. If you have four or more cards in your hand, Kiyomaro has Vigilance. Whenever Kiyomaro deals damage, if you have seven or more cards in your hand, you gain 7 life.
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Looks like Kioymaro is a bit underpowered. Basically you need 6 cards in hand before you cast him, in order to get a decent creature... preferably more. Say you have 6, you cast him, and you go down to 5. That's a legendary 5/5 Vigilance for 5. Not very good. I think your best plan, if you have this guy in your opening hand, is to play NOTHING. If you're the player who draws, and assuming you get enough land drops, you can have a legendary 7/7 Vigilance that gains you 7 life each attack, on the fifth turn. Of course, your opponent will have gone hog wild playing stuff and beating you down until that point, but I bet you'll be able to recover with this guy, assuming they don't Terror him.
I don't think I'd play him. He's worse than Maro in a couple important ways - legendary, and costs more. And Maro is bad.
I believe it, we know theres a maro cycle and this 1 makes sense as a white maro, the vigilance and the life gain are definitely the way to go and basing them on the no. of cards in hand is this sets theme.
That said the card sucks, its a horrible finisher for a white deck. With only 4 cards in hand it cost the same as serra but lacks its flying and is legendary as well(and serras not even the best white finisher at the moment). Even with 7 cards in hand(which isn't that easy to do) its still only a ground pounder, it can be blocked by a sakura tribe elder and gain no life because the elder can sac before damage and even as a defensive card its bad because in this block the best finishers all have flying and will just avoid it.
The blue maro, soramaro is infinitely superior, it has flying and it has an ability which helps maintain and increase your handsize.
Personally i'm wondering what the green maro is going to be like, after all it already has the original maro and the legendary multani maro sorcerer to compete with. It'll probably have trample but i have no idea about its 2nd ability(regeneration is probably to strong, thorn elementals ability is stupid if it already tramples and i'm not sure if the snakes stun or lure abilities would be right either).
Some information from an independant anonymous source has led me to believe that Kiyamoro, First to Stand is 99% for sure the prerelease promo foil... and 90% sure that it's exactly as ToiletDuck said it is. (which is unfortunate because it sucks... but that's the tradition with most prerelease foils!)
When was the last time a Pre-release card was actually a staple card, in any format? (I say staple, because stuff like Ink-eyes shows up in small numbers, but not widespread)
When was the last time a Pre-release card was actually a staple card, in any format? (I say staple, because stuff like Ink-eyes shows up in small numbers, but not widespread)
Imagine if the foil prerelease promos were things like Gaea's Cradle, Kokusho, Wrath! Instead, they give us a nice shiny Ruhk Egg or Feral Throwback.
/me gags noisily but recovers, swallowing and then giving the "thumbs up" *
I never liked Ryusei. Any of the other dragons would have been a better pre-release card, even Jugan. Yosei, Kokusho, or Keiga Pre-release foils would have been awesome! But that's just one set.
Well, I feel less bad that I can't make it to the prerelease. That is one of the most inelegant cards ever. And they'll probably have to shrink the text to fit it all. Most the other cards that do that are at least interesting. At least that kills the last instance of 7.
Well, I do not know whether it has been mentioned or not in this thread, but if this card is really a pre-release card, there would be two versions of art. Check this:
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Interesting artwork. It's a shame its on such a bad card. Now the blue maro is a good card. Flying is so much better than this sometimes vigilance and sometimes gain life.
Meh this go's in the lame o pre release card bin with feral throwback. I'm even a casual player who hasn't minded some of the past cards like silent spectre, soul collector even ol Ryusei (least he was a 5/5 flier for 6 + ability). This guy is pretty bad if this is the final version.
for 3WW you can get an already flying vigilant 4/4 serra angel, with now worries about hoarding cards just so your guy gets bigger or life gain. Yet again white gets the shaft.
This card is a lame cross-fusion between Serra and so sexy Exalted. I'll pick Exalted over this and Serra any day.
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i think this card is Freakin' awesome just imagine zoo with this even on the draw u flex "Nutz" any mana drawing the extra card u can pitch and turning up the gas on tempo and it still taps for mana easily a 3 of most likely a 4 of
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I'd just like to add that I have now seen the card in person as well, and it does work that way (even the part that you can gain the life from any damage dealt by him, not just combat). I was pretty sure it costed 4WW, though. I might be wrong on that.
As far as play value...not so good. I'm definitely putting it into my Type 4 stack, though.
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It seems like everyone and their girlfriend uses Ink-Eyes in KBC.
Every time I destroy an opponent's creature, I jump on the table, yell "Boo ya, you son of a *****!", rip the card in half, urinate on it, then forcefully shove it down my opponent's throat.
Needless to say, I don't have many players in my playgroup anymore.
It might not be the worst pre-release card ever(although i'm having trouble remembering a worse 1) but its pretty bad. The only time this card is even remotely decent is if you've got the full 7 cards in your hand and even then its not great. Serra Angel which hasn't been tournament worth for ages is far superior to kiyomaro, it cost the same, is always a 4/4 regardless of the cards in your hand, always has vigilance, has flying which is a much better ability than vigilance and isn't legendary.
It might not be the worst pre-release card ever(although i'm having trouble remembering a worse 1) but its pretty bad. The only time this card is even remotely decent is if you've got the full 7 cards in your hand and even then its not great. Serra Angel which hasn't been tournament worth for ages is far superior to kiyomaro, it cost the same, is always a 4/4 regardless of the cards in your hand, always has vigilance, has flying which is a much better ability than vigilance and isn't legendary.
Heh, I seem to recall Monstrous hound being quite the bad prerelease card at the Exodus? prerelease ;), but aside from that you're 100% correct, I would have thought Vigilance and spiritlink would have been a given on this guy for 4WW, seems as though Wizards really doesn't want us to play with this guy at all... Maro must be pissed! Soramaro dupes this guy on everything, even down to his picture, I really hope the Green dude (Hasu-maro) and the other can give us a little something better!
Why couldn't they have given us the blue one, Soramaro. That ones actually playable, it has the evasion this lacks and its 2nd ability helps keep your hand maxed out.
But this led to an interesting question. How does one make a cycle of Maros that doesn't just feel like five copies of the same card? The answer is that you shake things up a little bit. For starters, the base Maro ability (power and toughness equal to hand size) is tweaked on a few cards. Second, several of the Maros have keyword abilities that play nicely with the ever-shifting quality of the Maros. And finally, a number of the Maro's have an extra activated ability. Such is the case with Kagemaro, First to Suffer (the black Maro). Yes, this is today's preview card. (I'm almost there.)
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Some information from an independant anonymous source has led me to believe that Kiyamoro, First to Stand is 99% for sure the prerelease promo foil... and 90% sure that it's exactly as ToiletDuck said it is. (which is unfortunate because it sucks... but that's the tradition with most prerelease foils!)
Descendant of Kiyomaro:1mana::symw::symw: Creature - Human Soldier As long as you have more cards in hand than each opponent, Descendant of Kiyomaro gets +1/+2 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage, you gain 3 life." 2/3 "The blood of Kiyomaro flows in my veins. He did not let Eiganjo fall and neither shall I." Illus.: Christopher Rush #7/165
Considering that;
A. Maro said that not all of the new Maros will have the straight */* = to number of cards in hand ability.
B. R_E is not 100% sure that our current wording is correct.
C. Descendant of Kiyomaro has "As long as you have more cards in hand than each opponent, Descendant of Kiyomaro gets +1/+2"
D. Somehow i get the feeling the way it is currently worded it won't all fit on the card (Just look at Kagemoro, first to suffer).
I wonder if instead of just having the straight "Kiyomaro, First to Stand has power and toughness each equal to the number of cards in your hand." ability, it might have something like "As long as you have four or more cards in hand, Descendant of Kiyomaro gets +?/+? and has Vigilance" or something along those lines instead?
It would probably make it a lot better than the bad Serra/Exalted Angel wannabe w/out flying it's trying to be at the moment. And maybe even bring it in line with the power level of the other two we have seen so far as well.
Thanks R_E, although its a big dissapointment to me that it is correct as worded because i would have loved something better.
1 thing that interests me is the fact that both Kiyomaro and Kagemaro cost only 3 colourless mana and 2 of coloured mana whereas our rumoured Soramaro cost 4UU, i wonder if our rumoured information is wrong because although many cycles have different casting costs most of the recent ones have the same or at least the same overall CC(pulses, echoings, legendary dragons, zuberas, 1cc sac. spirits, reprinted quash cycle, genjus, normal-spirit flippers, shoals etc.), of course i'm probably wrong and its a cycle without any cc link(like beacons, hondens, bakus, patrons, myojins etc.), but it would be so much better if they all costed 3##.
Well, MaRo said that the leader of the development team didn't really like all these straight cycles, so he decided to mix things up a bit(eg Sweep - 4-card cycle anyone?) I don't see why he couldn't mix up CC's as well.
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We have the picture of Soramoro and its definitely 4UU.
Furthermore, the hondens are a cycle and by no means have the same casting or converted casting costs.
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Thanks R_E, although its a big dissapointment to me that it is correct as worded because i would have loved something better.
1 thing that interests me is the fact that both Kiyomaro and Kagemaro cost only 3 colourless mana and 2 of coloured mana whereas our rumoured Soramaro cost 4UU, i wonder if our rumoured information is wrong because although many cycles have different casting costs most of the recent ones have the same or at least the same overall CC(pulses, echoings, legendary dragons, zuberas, 1cc sac. spirits, reprinted quash cycle, genjus, normal-spirit flippers, shoals etc.), of course i'm probably wrong and its a cycle without any cc link(like beacons, hondens, bakus, patrons, myojins etc.), but it would be so much better if they all costed 3##.
Soramaro also has Evasion, which is definitely worth the +1 in CC
The cycles in this set are certainly a lot more warped than we've had in the past, huh? I'm so used to seeeing complete symmetry across all the colors with each cycle that Saviors seems so awkward to me. Cycles where the cards are barely similar at all, cycles where one or more colors are left out .... Maybe Wizards got tired of everyone complaining about how boring symmetrical cycles have gotten.
Looks like Kioymaro is a bit underpowered. Basically you need 6 cards in hand before you cast him, in order to get a decent creature... preferably more. Say you have 6, you cast him, and you go down to 5. That's a legendary 5/5 Vigilance for 5. Not very good. I think your best plan, if you have this guy in your opening hand, is to play NOTHING. If you're the player who draws, and assuming you get enough land drops, you can have a legendary 7/7 Vigilance that gains you 7 life each attack, on the fifth turn. Of course, your opponent will have gone hog wild playing stuff and beating you down until that point, but I bet you'll be able to recover with this guy, assuming they don't Terror him.
I don't think I'd play him. He's worse than Maro in a couple important ways - legendary, and costs more. And Maro is bad.
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That said the card sucks, its a horrible finisher for a white deck. With only 4 cards in hand it cost the same as serra but lacks its flying and is legendary as well(and serras not even the best white finisher at the moment). Even with 7 cards in hand(which isn't that easy to do) its still only a ground pounder, it can be blocked by a sakura tribe elder and gain no life because the elder can sac before damage and even as a defensive card its bad because in this block the best finishers all have flying and will just avoid it.
The blue maro, soramaro is infinitely superior, it has flying and it has an ability which helps maintain and increase your handsize.
Personally i'm wondering what the green maro is going to be like, after all it already has the original maro and the legendary multani maro sorcerer to compete with. It'll probably have trample but i have no idea about its 2nd ability(regeneration is probably to strong, thorn elementals ability is stupid if it already tramples and i'm not sure if the snakes stun or lure abilities would be right either).
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Imagine if the foil prerelease promos were things like Gaea's Cradle, Kokusho, Wrath! Instead, they give us a nice shiny Ruhk Egg or Feral Throwback.
/me gags noisily but recovers, swallowing and then giving the "thumbs up" *
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for 3WW you can get an already flying vigilant 4/4 serra angel, with now worries about hoarding cards just so your guy gets bigger or life gain. Yet again white gets the shaft.
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As far as play value...not so good. I'm definitely putting it into my Type 4 stack, though.
It seems like everyone and their girlfriend uses Ink-Eyes in KBC.
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Heh, I seem to recall Monstrous hound being quite the bad prerelease card at the Exodus? prerelease ;), but aside from that you're 100% correct, I would have thought Vigilance and spiritlink would have been a given on this guy for 4WW, seems as though Wizards really doesn't want us to play with this guy at all... Maro must be pissed! Soramaro dupes this guy on everything, even down to his picture, I really hope the Green dude (Hasu-maro) and the other can give us a little something better!
Apart from that... GOGO Saviors
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Descendant of Kiyomaro :1mana::symw::symw:
Creature - Human Soldier
As long as you have more cards in hand than each opponent, Descendant of Kiyomaro gets +1/+2 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage, you gain 3 life."
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"The blood of Kiyomaro flows in my veins. He did not let Eiganjo fall and neither shall I."
Illus.: Christopher Rush
#7/165
Considering that;
A. Maro said that not all of the new Maros will have the straight */* = to number of cards in hand ability.
B. R_E is not 100% sure that our current wording is correct.
C. Descendant of Kiyomaro has "As long as you have more cards in hand than each opponent, Descendant of Kiyomaro gets +1/+2"
D. Somehow i get the feeling the way it is currently worded it won't all fit on the card (Just look at Kagemoro, first to suffer).
I wonder if instead of just having the straight "Kiyomaro, First to Stand has power and toughness each equal to the number of cards in your hand." ability, it might have something like "As long as you have four or more cards in hand, Descendant of Kiyomaro gets +?/+? and has Vigilance" or something along those lines instead?
It would probably make it a lot better than the bad Serra/Exalted Angel wannabe w/out flying it's trying to be at the moment. And maybe even bring it in line with the power level of the other two we have seen so far as well.
http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/5/755/635032475152231901.jpg
(yes, it's art we already knew)
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1 thing that interests me is the fact that both Kiyomaro and Kagemaro cost only 3 colourless mana and 2 of coloured mana whereas our rumoured Soramaro cost 4UU, i wonder if our rumoured information is wrong because although many cycles have different casting costs most of the recent ones have the same or at least the same overall CC(pulses, echoings, legendary dragons, zuberas, 1cc sac. spirits, reprinted quash cycle, genjus, normal-spirit flippers, shoals etc.), of course i'm probably wrong and its a cycle without any cc link(like beacons, hondens, bakus, patrons, myojins etc.), but it would be so much better if they all costed 3##.
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Furthermore, the hondens are a cycle and by no means have the same casting or converted casting costs.
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Soramaro also has Evasion, which is definitely worth the +1 in CC
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