I'm not really that impressed. Red has zero mana acceleration, really, and doesn't really have any way to take advantage of this card. It's a COOL card, but, not that much of a powerful/useful card..IMO.
Distinctly mediocre to me. Sure, it interacts with sweep, but lets face it: Wizards thinks land destruction isn't fun, so they don't make it good anymore.
EDIT: This on'es a RARE? Damn, even hot potato is better. This will de in my crap box fater than you can blink.
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Add another one to the .25 cent bin Another really bad card, Red isn't supposed to have cards in your hand, and because of that all these red theme cards are horrible.
And comparing this to Armageddon is like comparing Ur-Golem's Eye to Sol Ring.
its not a chase rare, but its certainly more than a 25 cent card.
this card will see lots of play im sure.
im going to build a red/green deck right now with it
red/green control
with sakura tribe elder, kodamas reach etc.
DUH!!!, this card, plus Seismic Assault plus Uyo, Meloku, or sweep cards, it rules!!!, well, maybe just in T2, or in my U/R UyoBurn deck, but beside that its ok
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One could even use this card for block constructed in a U/R deck using the Moonfolk - like Meloku and Uyo.
Anyways, I foresee this card being a good inclusion for Ponza; you could actually save LD spells in hand while you develop early creatures, then cast this (destroying a couple of lands for each player), then follow up with regular LD. Thus Ponza acquires more flexibility in its attack strategies.
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i think this card is Freakin' awesome just imagine zoo with this even on the draw u flex "Nutz" any mana drawing the extra card u can pitch and turning up the gas on tempo and it still taps for mana easily a 3 of most likely a 4 of
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I'll post on this thread since it was made within 60 seconds of the site updating. You have no life Sorryguy!
Anyways, good job wizards! No crappy useless cards so far! I can see this in Ponza, Red deck wins, Goblins, and any other red deck! Go staples!
In general, I like this card.
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Oi I drool over this one... I'm a blue player tho so I'll probably drool over a lot of these cards. But this one gives me a smile to see it. Is there even a possibility that a W/U/R deck is possible in this T2? or even extended? *shudders at thought*
Um...What? What does being a blue player have to do with that? Also it is possinle with Gifts!
turn 3 either troll, or iwamori or similar costed fatty (with bop, elder, or mox), turn 4 play the geddon, you have 3 or 4 cards in hand. thats pretty decent.
well i like this card, but i guess not many others do.
why do i get the feeling that if there isnt at least a couple really good super duper chase cards in the set, that some people are going to assassinate some members of wizards lol
the best use i see for this is in some kind of U/R Meloku Control deck. or something of that ilk...
The best use for this card that I can see is paper airplanes.
Little, tiny paper airplanes. It's just too even in too basic a color. You'd need green or blue support for it, and even then you're plaiying it turn 3 with a BoP and nuking 3 lands on each side of the field. It;'s simply not that good.
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Looks like we have the answer to G/X/x control in block. Heck, it might even get some Standard play. Turn 3 'Geddon for 2 is nothing to sneeze at, especially if you have a Vial or Crucible out.
Well, this will help Ponza a little bit, but since so many decks run the Elder, I don't know if it will matter. LD's fine, but symmetrical LD might not even be good enough to care about.
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Well, I personally don't like this card due to the built-in anti-synergy. The card says that you want cards in hand in order to cast the 'geddon. OTOH, this card belongs in an aggro deck which wants to dump it's hand, meaning it basically becomes a glorified Tremble. Basically, it's bad in a control deck because it kills all the lands you need to operate, and it's bad in an aggro deck because you won't be killing very many lands, meaning that Stone Rain would be possibly better.
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It's a cool card, and has the synergy with Trade Routes which makes me very happy. I've been needing a card like this in type 2 to get the Trade Routes/Seismic Assault deck working better.
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wtf is wrong with all you people? We only know a fraction of the set, how on earth can you complain about its unplayability?
It's all the same people too; the ones with 3,000 posts, who posted literally 3 minutes after the card came up, and immediately call the card terrible. It's happened all week long, the first 15 or so posts after the preview are all "omg this card blows, it's unplayable".
Give it a rest. If you, of all people, are sitting there saying "red doesn't draw cards, red will never ever use a spell like this", don't you think SOMEONE at Wizards thought the same thing? Don't you think it dawned on SOMEONE over there to help out the other colors in a set focusing on hand size?
jeez. They're going to balance the set with all this hand size stuff, will you people all just give it a rest until we see more?
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Thank you man, someone had to say this, i mean, always is the same thing, with most of the previews, all so called "experts" say that the card sucks, just because it doesnt fit in the cards we already have
Thank you man, thank you
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I noted in a speculation thread that with all the land fetching dominance in standard/block, there'd probably be/we need a mass LD effect in SOK. And there it is, and I like it
Eeven if you only have like 2 cards in hand, this is pretty good. Like FBI-boy noted, good on turn 3 or 4. Certainly not a .25 cent rare(or a 2for1 on MTGO if you like), more like a 2 or 3 ticket card in MTGO terms, at the worst.
that's not what happened at all. kamahl stabbed phage, akroma, and some old lady and they became korona. then korona got stabbed by her "prophets" and kamahl got drunk with a mutant centaur
This can be quite good in RDW/Ponza. You really only need to set it off for
2-3 on turn four to cause quite a decent bit of damage to the board, especially if you laid something down like a Slith or Zo-zu.
I agree with the seismic assult idea... that and sweep cards should make it usable late in the game.. when they have too many chump blockers to connect with a creature just sweep some lands into your hand, destroy all of theirs, and then throw the fury of hell itself in their face... the double coloured cost makes it more of a challenge though.. especially if red doesn't get sweep....
Bargain bin...maybe... but all the better for anybody who finds a way to make use of it.
pure crap? I disagree with that incentive... as a mono red card yeah its not too great... and the double colour hurts it for a dual colour deck... but then thats only if you plan to cast it by turn 3 or 4 when your opponent could easily still have lands to throw down.
edit: not to mention that they talked about sorceries which care about the number of cards in your opponents hand...once the mana stops coming their hand starts accumulating... hmmm coincidence? I think not.
I REALLY don't like this card. I'd personally rather have spot LD. At least it those don't cause YOU to lose your lands also. Maybe I'm just not as experienced as I thought, but I don't know how Ponza could use this , especially if it runs Zo-Zu.
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At first it semed really cool, but then... If you keep cards in hand to get a more powerfull effect they will just kill you with what's on the field and if you use tribe elder and similar stuff you will just have an empty hand which = crappy effect. Not a crap card, but no too powerfull too.
you wont have an empty hand.
turn 1:
land (7 cards)
turn 2: land, elder (6 cards)
turn 3: land, troll or other fatty (5 cards)
turn 4: play the geddon
Comments like these make it fairly obvious why Necropotence was overlooked for so long.
1) A customizable Armageddon is a big boon to red deck builders everywhere.
2) Armageddon is a game ending spell. There are multiple opportunities to abuse this in block. Hell, people are using Heartbeat of Spring to power out Myojins in competitive decks, and some are using Sway of the Stars in other competitive decks. This is a miniature Sway of the Stars when done properly. Stabilize the board, float your mana, drop your win condition and waste the lands. Game over.
3) Just because YOUR red deck doesn't have more than 2 cards in its hand by turn 4 doesn't mean that it's not possible to make one.
4) Without being able to judge the card in the context of the set, it's impossible to gauge its power level. I doubt it's going to be orphaned, and even if it is, there are several viable strategies that exist with the cards we already have.
A number of people have complained RED doesn't keep cards in hand. That's true, but there is a little mechanic called splice that could support more cards in hand than traditional builds.
Start with
Lava Spike
Glacial Ray
Maybe Add
Desperate ritual
5 cc Critters (or 6 cc Dragons)
- Through the Breach
- Blazing Shoal
And some hasty drops as Blazing Shoals targets
- Raging Goblin
- Slith Firewalker
And of course Thoughts of Ruins to disrupt your opponent's plans
maybe even play Akki raider for +4 to + 8 power when you play TOR
Not a tier I deck but it seems like there could be a build with fringe potential.
I kind of like this card. It potentially combines two old deck types into one: Ernham-Geddon and Ernham-Burn 'em. With the "Geddon" and "Burn 'em" parts now being in the same color I think this has some promise. However, if you can't play it early, it gets pretty bad pretty quickly. I'd give it a tentative thumbs up because my initial reaction was positive, although I'm definitely waiting for the rest of the set before making any final conclusions.
EDIT: This on'es a RARE? Damn, even hot potato is better. This will de in my crap box fater than you can blink.
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its not a chase rare, but its certainly more than a 25 cent card.
this card will see lots of play im sure.
im going to build a red/green deck right now with it
red/green control
with sakura tribe elder, kodamas reach etc.
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Anyways, I foresee this card being a good inclusion for Ponza; you could actually save LD spells in hand while you develop early creatures, then cast this (destroying a couple of lands for each player), then follow up with regular LD. Thus Ponza acquires more flexibility in its attack strategies.
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Um...What? What does being a blue player have to do with that? Also it is possinle with Gifts!
well i like this card, but i guess not many others do.
why do i get the feeling that if there isnt at least a couple really good super duper chase cards in the set, that some people are going to assassinate some members of wizards lol
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The best use for this card that I can see is paper airplanes.
Little, tiny paper airplanes. It's just too even in too basic a color. You'd need green or blue support for it, and even then you're plaiying it turn 3 with a BoP and nuking 3 lands on each side of the field. It;'s simply not that good.
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Thank you man, someone had to say this, i mean, always is the same thing, with most of the previews, all so called "experts" say that the card sucks, just because it doesnt fit in the cards we already have
Thank you man, thank you
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I noted in a speculation thread that with all the land fetching dominance in standard/block, there'd probably be/we need a mass LD effect in SOK. And there it is, and I like it
Eeven if you only have like 2 cards in hand, this is pretty good. Like FBI-boy noted, good on turn 3 or 4. Certainly not a .25 cent rare(or a 2for1 on MTGO if you like), more like a 2 or 3 ticket card in MTGO terms, at the worst.
They need to reprint Wake of Destruction...
2-3 on turn four to cause quite a decent bit of damage to the board, especially if you laid something down like a Slith or Zo-zu.
G/U/r control would play 3-4 of these. Trade Routes (or Meloku the Clouded Mirror)/Seismic Assault/Crucible of Worlds is the basic combo. I've been testing one of these since Januaryish, I'm gonna post up my decklist later today (Friday) in the type 2 forums.
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you wont have an empty hand.
turn 1:
land (7 cards)
turn 2: land, elder (6 cards)
turn 3: land, troll or other fatty (5 cards)
turn 4: play the geddon
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1) A customizable Armageddon is a big boon to red deck builders everywhere.
2) Armageddon is a game ending spell. There are multiple opportunities to abuse this in block. Hell, people are using Heartbeat of Spring to power out Myojins in competitive decks, and some are using Sway of the Stars in other competitive decks. This is a miniature Sway of the Stars when done properly. Stabilize the board, float your mana, drop your win condition and waste the lands. Game over.
3) Just because YOUR red deck doesn't have more than 2 cards in its hand by turn 4 doesn't mean that it's not possible to make one.
4) Without being able to judge the card in the context of the set, it's impossible to gauge its power level. I doubt it's going to be orphaned, and even if it is, there are several viable strategies that exist with the cards we already have.
Get creative, guys.
Start with
Lava Spike
Glacial Ray
Maybe Add
Desperate ritual
5 cc Critters (or 6 cc Dragons)
- Through the Breach
- Blazing Shoal
And some hasty drops as Blazing Shoals targets
- Raging Goblin
- Slith Firewalker
And of course Thoughts of Ruins to disrupt your opponent's plans
maybe even play Akki raider for +4 to + 8 power when you play TOR
Not a tier I deck but it seems like there could be a build with fringe potential.