I realized we don't have anything concrete on how old Tamiyo is. Is there something I have missed in discussions elsewhere? Or has it really not been revealed yet?
That being said, she does have a scroll about the destruction of Serra's realm, so she could have witnessed that event or other events around that time.
Or, did she merely find a record (or multiple accounts of it) and create that scroll from those?
Also, in what ways might Tamiyo being a pre- or post-Mending walker affect her story arc and character development? What planes and already-existing storylines will she appear in? How might her having lived through the Mending or not influence how she might behave?
I realize a lot of this has little concrete basis, but I think it's interesting to think about. Based on her detached personality, I think she could be a former Oldwalker. That being said, she also has been made into more of an adventuring scholar by Creative, so could that be them leaning towards her being post-Mending?
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Before SoI, all the information on Tamiyo we have was one paragraph.
She was given more characterization in this block, and she seems indeed quite powerful compared to neowalkers. It is wholly possible she is an oldwalker. We do not know the normal lifespan of a soratami, they might be, for all we know, ageless like elves.
Her aloofness and detachment can be just a by-product of being a soratami - though most of the soratami we encountered in Kamigawa were quite emotional, scheming and sometimes cruel, believing in their superiority to everyone (much like Lorwyn elves). But I can see this being again changed by her planeswalkerdom and realizing that there are more worlds than Kamigawa and things bigger than her or the moonfolk.
She seems to be the quintessential soratami as this race was maybe originally meant - hunters of knowledge, researchers, observers.
As for Serra's Realm, I think that she was not a witness, just a recorded story.
But all summarized, even with the Innistrad artbook, we do not know anything from what you asked for sure. There is just not enough info.
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Her aloofness and detachment can be just a by-product of being a soratami - though most of the soratami we encountered in Kamigawa were quite emotional, scheming and sometimes cruel, believing in their superiority to everyone (much like Lorwyn elves). But I can see this being again changed by her planeswalkerdom and realizing that there are more worlds than Kamigawa and things bigger than her or the moonfolk.
I have to point out that the events of the Kamigawa block happened before the events of the "legends" expansion:Toshiro Umezawa was an ancestor of Tetsuo Umezawa who originally killed Bolas (before he was revived from a time rift during Time Spiral). This happened well before the war between Urza and Mishra.
So... In all that time, especially after the kami war, it is possible that the soratami changed their ways of life... Thousands of years passed, right?
Incorrect.
The Legends are collection of people from different times.
The Kamigawa story is actually dated to around 3750 AR, almost four thousand years after the Brothers' War, and about the launch of Urza's Bloodlines project.
The "current" time is about 1000 years after Kamigawa story.
But yeah, they might have changed their ways after the Kamigawa story when the Sisters take custody of Kamigawa, that is possible.
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Before SoI, all the information on Tamiyo we have was one paragraph.
She was given more characterization in this block, and she seems indeed quite powerful compared to neowalkers. It is wholly possible she is an oldwalker. We do not know the normal lifespan of a soratami, they might be, for all we know, ageless like elves.
Her aloofness and detachment can be just a by-product of being a soratami - though most of the soratami we encountered in Kamigawa were quite emotional, scheming and sometimes cruel, believing in their superiority to everyone (much like Lorwyn elves). But I can see this being again changed by her planeswalkerdom and realizing that there are more worlds than Kamigawa and things bigger than her or the moonfolk.
She seems to be the quintessential soratami as this race was maybe originally meant - hunters of knowledge, researchers, observers.
As for Serra's Realm, I think that she was not a witness, just a recorded story.
But all summarized, even with the Innistrad artbook, we do not know anything from what you asked for sure. There is just not enough info.
Good point. I didn't really even think about her being a soratami and that being the reason for it. Not exactly certain, but definitely lends a reason for her personality and values as a post-Mending walker.
Well... She was around Mirrodin collecting stories before the corruption of new phyrexia became apparent. It doesn't say much, but might hint at the fact that she has been collecting stories for a long time, possibily even from before the mending.
Or it could just have been one of the first planes she visited.
Do we have any idea of what the timeline from Mirrodin (1st block) to Scars is? I know one is pre-Mending, but if we know how many years went between Memnarch and Scars we could have an idea of a window of when she might have visited.
However, that being said Mirrodin/New Phyrexia is kind of a really young plane, especially in terms of life being there. We know the first generation to arrive there was alive during the whole thing between Glissa, Slobad, and Memnarch. Curious to see how many generations passed.
Also, how long ago was the Mending from the current story time?
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The issue is we don't know which stories Tamiyo collected as a first-hand witness or from having them passed to her.
Regarding her composure, I believe it's a Soratami trait. In the book, the Kami war was in full throttle, naturally the behavior of all races was uncharacteristic. We couldn't judge humans based on Toshiro, Kiku and Konda, for example. A few Soratami legends where scheming but I don't believe that to be the case overall or in peacetime. Tamiyo is likely even more disciplined considering her nature as a planes walker with far greater domains of knowledge to master beyond Kamigawa.
No idea if she is a pre-Mending Planeswalker, but I could see it. It's really hard to see them implementing another one, but most of the current Planeswalkers are hard to buy as being pre-Mending, she's one of the exceptions. Maybe we will get more of an answer from the stories, we know she still has a couple appearances left.
Really wish we could get an Origins 2 with her as one of the Planeswalkers, I think it'd be really interesting.
As for not aging, one of her stories might have the power to keep her aging in check like one that mentions the slow aging water from Urza's story arc.
As for not aging, one of her stories might have the power to keep her aging in check like one that mentions the slow aging water from Urza's story arc.
Are the Soratami ageless like elves though? They seem like they should/could/would be IMO.
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That being said, she does have a scroll about the destruction of Serra's realm, so she could have witnessed that event or other events around that time.
Or, did she merely find a record (or multiple accounts of it) and create that scroll from those?
Also, in what ways might Tamiyo being a pre- or post-Mending walker affect her story arc and character development? What planes and already-existing storylines will she appear in? How might her having lived through the Mending or not influence how she might behave?
I realize a lot of this has little concrete basis, but I think it's interesting to think about. Based on her detached personality, I think she could be a former Oldwalker. That being said, she also has been made into more of an adventuring scholar by Creative, so could that be them leaning towards her being post-Mending?
She was given more characterization in this block, and she seems indeed quite powerful compared to neowalkers. It is wholly possible she is an oldwalker. We do not know the normal lifespan of a soratami, they might be, for all we know, ageless like elves.
Her aloofness and detachment can be just a by-product of being a soratami - though most of the soratami we encountered in Kamigawa were quite emotional, scheming and sometimes cruel, believing in their superiority to everyone (much like Lorwyn elves). But I can see this being again changed by her planeswalkerdom and realizing that there are more worlds than Kamigawa and things bigger than her or the moonfolk.
She seems to be the quintessential soratami as this race was maybe originally meant - hunters of knowledge, researchers, observers.
As for Serra's Realm, I think that she was not a witness, just a recorded story.
But all summarized, even with the Innistrad artbook, we do not know anything from what you asked for sure. There is just not enough info.
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Incorrect.
The Legends are collection of people from different times.
The Kamigawa story is actually dated to around 3750 AR, almost four thousand years after the Brothers' War, and about the launch of Urza's Bloodlines project.
The "current" time is about 1000 years after Kamigawa story.
But yeah, they might have changed their ways after the Kamigawa story when the Sisters take custody of Kamigawa, that is possible.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
Good point. I didn't really even think about her being a soratami and that being the reason for it. Not exactly certain, but definitely lends a reason for her personality and values as a post-Mending walker.
Do we have any idea of what the timeline from Mirrodin (1st block) to Scars is? I know one is pre-Mending, but if we know how many years went between Memnarch and Scars we could have an idea of a window of when she might have visited.
However, that being said Mirrodin/New Phyrexia is kind of a really young plane, especially in terms of life being there. We know the first generation to arrive there was alive during the whole thing between Glissa, Slobad, and Memnarch. Curious to see how many generations passed.
Also, how long ago was the Mending from the current story time?
Regarding her composure, I believe it's a Soratami trait. In the book, the Kami war was in full throttle, naturally the behavior of all races was uncharacteristic. We couldn't judge humans based on Toshiro, Kiku and Konda, for example. A few Soratami legends where scheming but I don't believe that to be the case overall or in peacetime. Tamiyo is likely even more disciplined considering her nature as a planes walker with far greater domains of knowledge to master beyond Kamigawa.
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Really wish we could get an Origins 2 with her as one of the Planeswalkers, I think it'd be really interesting.
Are the Soratami ageless like elves though? They seem like they should/could/would be IMO.