I agree with most of the predictions in this thread so far:
- Elspeth becoming an angel planeswalker -- people have been begging for this for a long time and it makes sense for her. Not a fan of the predestined trope though.
- Not actual time travel but time manipulation to give the good guys an edge. I would not be surprised if Zhalfirians end up with time manipulation weapons or something.
- I doubt Halo will be contagious or self-replicating like oil; that would be cliche. Probably something like Elspeth exhausting her spark to create enough halo to purge everything via the realm breaker? Would also be cliched for her to die, a little less cliche for her to lose her planeswalker spark but remain as an Angel.
Personally:
- I'll be annoyed if the Eldrazi can be corrupted, or if they are let loose merely to fight the phyrexians because they are a 'lesser evil'. Would really undercut them as a threat.
One thing I noticed a while ago but never got around to post: In the secret lair artwork of The World Tree we see bubbles bursting. Going by the nature of the World Tree it stands to reason that those bubbles are actually some of the realms of Kaldheim. This in turn would imply the Realmbreaker actually destroys smaller planes and subplanes (which has interesting implications on the Meditation Realm). If true, then a time travel solution becomes near inevitable.
I would normally agree with you, but the phyrexians can now compleat embodiments of mana (Omnath) so I don't know. It's clear these days Wizards operates on a rule of cool basis and not internal consistency.
One thing I noticed a while ago but never got around to post: In the secret lair artwork of The World Tree we see bubbles bursting. Going by the nature of the World Tree it stands to reason that those bubbles are actually some of the realms of Kaldheim. This in turn would imply the Realmbreaker actually destroys smaller planes and subplanes (which has interesting implications on the Meditation Realm). If true, then a time travel solution becomes near inevitable.
I would normally agree with you, but the phyrexians can now compleat embodiments of mana (Omnath) so I don't know. It's clear these days Wizards operates on a rule of cool basis and not internal consistency.
yea but the eldrazi's aren't connected to reality
chances are chandra didn't kill the actual planar avatars
One thing I noticed a while ago but never got around to post: In the secret lair artwork of The World Tree we see bubbles bursting. Going by the nature of the World Tree it stands to reason that those bubbles are actually some of the realms of Kaldheim. This in turn would imply the Realmbreaker actually destroys smaller planes and subplanes (which has interesting implications on the Meditation Realm). If true, then a time travel solution becomes near inevitable.
I would normally agree with you, but the phyrexians can now compleat embodiments of mana (Omnath) so I don't know. It's clear these days Wizards operates on a rule of cool basis and not internal consistency.
I mean, compleated angels and demons were always a thing.
If it has physical parts, it's game. And then there's the reality chip
I mean, compleated angels and demons were always a thing.
If it has physical parts, it's game. And then there's the reality chip
Angels and demons were always a bit of a grey area because it was never made entirely clear if they are born from white/black mana but are otherwise organic or literally are white/black mana given form. Or indeed if it is consistent across worlds.
Omnath though? Omnath is literally just a mass of swirling mana in a vaguely humanoid shape.
I think if phyrexia can corrupt the lands/nature (and their own version of the world tree) they could corrupt elements and such that are manifests of them ect. and we have phyrexia mana so seemly they can corrupt mana. Omnath also seems fused into the branches of Realmbreaker so that also might be a factor.
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I just sincerely hope we won't see "Sigarda, Host of Phyrexia" :-(
If we do, they better use time travel to undo the damage, because pulling the same trick (the angels going mad) twice on Innistrad would be lame.
I kinda am worried for Tovolar's pack though. They finally reached a truce with Arlinn and the others. But they seem like prime material to "throw under the bus".
Yeah, why not to destroy some more things on another world we loved.
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Yes, we deserved it.
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I kiiiinda doubt the second art is the invasion art. It's not very clear Kaldheim is under attack and in fact the "defenders" of the plane come from the camera's position. Could still be, but it's definitely an odd format for an "Invasion of _" card.
As for stakes, I don't mind. Magic has literally always been about plane-wide apocalyptic catastrophes. It is incredibly odd to me when people want two opposite things at once. For once a Magic villain feels serious (I guess there was also Death-cloud Yawgmoth but honestly that always felt a bit goofy.) instead of the weird "Bolas-with-a-Clown-Nose tries to invade Ravnica with a couple hundred zombies that turned from terrifying elite soldiers to stormtroopers" plot we had in War of the Spark.
Plus, given how Magic treats their IP I have a hard time believing all the damage being permanent. Theros seas have turned to oil? Yeah either it's gonna be undone in-universe or out of universe.
Assuming the first pic is card art (and not just promotional art or something) it seems like something that would happen at the end of the story, with Kaldheim's worldtree obliterating all the Realmbreaker branches/tendrils.
Assuming the first pic is card art (and not just promotional art or something) it seems like something that would happen at the end of the story, with Kaldheim's worldtree obliterating all the Realmbreaker branches/tendrils.
I was thinking the same thing. It's also hard to tell if the teal and pink aurora borealis effect is from The World Tree itself or if it is a hint that Halo is involved, as it has a similar effect, most similarity bearing the card Bootleggers' Stash (the non-promo version...).
Baseless speculation time:
The World Tree initially succumbs to the Realmbreaker, leading to the phyrexianization of Toski and Sarulf (and possibly the other cosmic animals, maybe safe for one) and Kaldheim as a whole getting invaded. Some realms of Kaldheim get destroyed by the Realmbreaker (heh) as seen on the Secret Lair art for the World Tree. At the conclusion of the story, the World Tree is infused with halo (possibly with the help of the remaining cosmic animal, or maybe Esika?) and releases a burst that destroys the Realmbreaker tendrils across the Multiverse and spreading its own branches in the space left behind, linking all worlds of the Multiverse to itself. Just like the Kaldheim realms, doomscars (though called differently) can be opened between worlds, but only by planeswalkers, thus preserving their special status while still allowing non-planeswalkers to cross the doomscars, which in turn would allow Magic to have actual expansionist villains. Bolas' arc suffered especially bad because he controlled dozens of worlds but had no means to move information of resources from one to the other, so it wasn't much of an empire, but more like individual hideouts for him. Imagine how terrifying Bolas could have been if he could have launched a multi-planar invasion onto any plane he desired instead of grabbing a handful of shiny zombies and having to make do.
Assuming the first pic is card art (and not just promotional art or something) it seems like something that would happen at the end of the story, with Kaldheim's worldtree obliterating all the Realmbreaker branches/tendrils.
I was thinking the same thing. It's also hard to tell if the teal and pink aurora borealis effect is from The World Tree itself or if it is a hint that Halo is involved, as it has a similar effect, most similarity bearing the card Bootleggers' Stash (the non-promo version...).
Baseless speculation time:
The World Tree initially succumbs to the Realmbreaker, leading to the phyrexianization of Toski and Sarulf (and possibly the other cosmic animals, maybe safe for one) and Kaldheim as a whole getting invaded. Some realms of Kaldheim get destroyed by the Realmbreaker (heh) as seen on the Secret Lair art for the World Tree. At the conclusion of the story, the World Tree is infused with halo (possibly with the help of the remaining cosmic animal, or maybe Esika?) and releases a burst that destroys the Realmbreaker tendrils across the Multiverse and spreading its own branches in the space left behind, linking all worlds of the Multiverse to itself. Just like the Kaldheim realms, doomscars (though called differently) can be opened between worlds, but only by planeswalkers, thus preserving their special status while still allowing non-planeswalkers to cross the doomscars, which in turn would allow Magic to have actual expansionist villains. Bolas' arc suffered especially bad because he controlled dozens of worlds but had no means to move information of resources from one to the other, so it wasn't much of an empire, but more like individual hideouts for him. Imagine how terrifying Bolas could have been if he could have launched a multi-planar invasion onto any plane he desired instead of grabbing a handful of shiny zombies and having to make do.
assuming the TDLR is the world tree destroys the realmbreaker and does the same thing it did with all the planes it got but a more friendly way that theory actually appeared a little bit after I saw the picture.
And you know what so they don’t kill off the phyrexians the world tree simply doesn't connect to new phyrexia/mirrodin so that’s the only plane non walkers can't go to. Thus phyrexians can't go to other planes since they are trapped
Something just occured to me regarding the second artwork. It has the right format for plane chase with the bottom half being non-detailed and irrelevant content for the image with all important bits in the top half. And we do know there will be new plane cards.
As the closest thing this section of Salavtion has to a mod and I just ask people use spoilers for any info not officially shown (similar to how some people treat leaks of cards) just in case someone doesn't want to see leaks/info from leaks.
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And you know what so they don’t kill off the phyrexians the world tree simply doesn't connect to new phyrexia/mirrodin so that’s the only plane non walkers can't go to. Thus phyrexians can't go to other planes since they are trapped
I don't know. It seems like a weird move. Plus it wouldn't resolve anything. New Phyrexia was isolated before. What stops the phyrexians from growing a second Realmbreaker? Phyrexia needs to be dealt with and if dealt with, there is no real reason to isolate Mirrodin from the rest of the multiverse unless it is to hammer home the idea how much it sucks to be a Mirran in the multiverse.
I predict one of the praetors escapes and hides somewhere in an obscure corner of the Multiverse, giving WotC the opportunity to bring back Phyrexians in the future. (Kinda like how they left Bolas alive.) It could even be Urabrask, which would be funny because of his epiphet "The Hidden".
And you know what so they don’t kill off the phyrexians the world tree simply doesn't connect to new phyrexia/mirrodin so that’s the only plane non walkers can't go to. Thus phyrexians can't go to other planes since they are trapped
I don't know. It seems like a weird move. Plus it wouldn't resolve anything. New Phyrexia was isolated before. What stops the phyrexians from growing a second Realmbreaker? Phyrexia needs to be dealt with and if dealt with, there is no real reason to isolate Mirrodin from the rest of the multiverse unless it is to hammer home the idea how much it sucks to be a Mirran in the multiverse.
I predict one of the praetors escapes and hides somewhere in an obscure corner of the Multiverse, giving WotC the opportunity to bring back Phyrexians in the future. (Kinda like how they left Bolas alive.) It could even be Urabrask, which would be funny because of his epiphet "The Hidden".
there’s a huge factor I don’t see in the comment
how Do the phyrexias get the tree sap again without the planar bridge, and also that the esika tyrite sanctum will probably be far more guarded this time.
how Do the phyrexias get the tree sap again without the planar bridge, and also that the esika tyrite sanctum will probably be far more guarded this time.
It's largely irrelevant how Phyrexia crosses the multiversal boundaries and how they achieve multiversal invasion. They already did it once and unless they are dealt with they remain a threat, whether they have access to the planar bridge or tyrite or achieve their goals through any other means.
next up for legends in march is Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy fight along side with quintorius, linvala, teferi, and chandra
so we now have 3 out of 5 of the most famous students of strixhaven so i think we can safely say by default we are also getting Killian, Ink Duelist and Rootha, Mercurial Artist
I don't quite get why we see such a disproportionate amount of Strixhaven students. It seems like an odd choice to throw students at the greatest conflict in MtG yet. Especially Zimone who is the youngest of them. Both in universe and out of it.
Maybe Strixhaven is going to be particularly relevant? Maybe they'll make their last stand there?
I don't quite get why we see such a disproportionate amount of Strixhaven students. It seems like an odd choice to throw students at the greatest conflict in MtG yet. Especially Zimone who is the youngest of them. Both in universe and out of it.
Maybe Strixhaven is going to be particularly relevant? Maybe they'll make their last stand there?
There is the Biblioplex - if it's a library with basically everything written that happened and is happening in Multiverse (and maybe there is a restricted section with books describing what may happen... well, truly familiar ground for student "types" like Zimone and Quintorius.
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Im like 98% sure eldrazi’s can't be compleated
I would normally agree with you, but the phyrexians can now compleat embodiments of mana (Omnath) so I don't know. It's clear these days Wizards operates on a rule of cool basis and not internal consistency.
yea but the eldrazi's aren't connected to reality
chances are chandra didn't kill the actual planar avatars
As I said I would normally agree with you, but that's no longer how Wizards works.
Also, didn't Emrakul confirm that Ulamog and Kozilek died or am I misremembering?
I mean, compleated angels and demons were always a thing.
If it has physical parts, it's game. And then there's the reality chip
Angels and demons were always a bit of a grey area because it was never made entirely clear if they are born from white/black mana but are otherwise organic or literally are white/black mana given form. Or indeed if it is consistent across worlds.
Omnath though? Omnath is literally just a mass of swirling mana in a vaguely humanoid shape.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
If we do, they better use time travel to undo the damage, because pulling the same trick (the angels going mad) twice on Innistrad would be lame.
I kinda am worried for Tovolar's pack though. They finally reached a truce with Arlinn and the others. But they seem like prime material to "throw under the bus".
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/829011-mom-two-art-spoilers-from-the-commandfest-orlando
first picture shows the world tree can fight back
second Looks like “invasion of kaldheim” card and on fur……
Yes, Wizards, we got it, Phyrexians are big bad baddies.
Yes, we complained that War of the Spark was too low-stakes.
Yes, we deserved it.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
As for stakes, I don't mind. Magic has literally always been about plane-wide apocalyptic catastrophes. It is incredibly odd to me when people want two opposite things at once. For once a Magic villain feels serious (I guess there was also Death-cloud Yawgmoth but honestly that always felt a bit goofy.) instead of the weird "Bolas-with-a-Clown-Nose tries to invade Ravnica with a couple hundred zombies that turned from terrifying elite soldiers to stormtroopers" plot we had in War of the Spark.
Plus, given how Magic treats their IP I have a hard time believing all the damage being permanent. Theros seas have turned to oil? Yeah either it's gonna be undone in-universe or out of universe.
I was thinking the same thing. It's also hard to tell if the teal and pink aurora borealis effect is from The World Tree itself or if it is a hint that Halo is involved, as it has a similar effect, most similarity bearing the card Bootleggers' Stash (the non-promo version...).
Baseless speculation time:
The World Tree initially succumbs to the Realmbreaker, leading to the phyrexianization of Toski and Sarulf (and possibly the other cosmic animals, maybe safe for one) and Kaldheim as a whole getting invaded. Some realms of Kaldheim get destroyed by the Realmbreaker (heh) as seen on the Secret Lair art for the World Tree. At the conclusion of the story, the World Tree is infused with halo (possibly with the help of the remaining cosmic animal, or maybe Esika?) and releases a burst that destroys the Realmbreaker tendrils across the Multiverse and spreading its own branches in the space left behind, linking all worlds of the Multiverse to itself. Just like the Kaldheim realms, doomscars (though called differently) can be opened between worlds, but only by planeswalkers, thus preserving their special status while still allowing non-planeswalkers to cross the doomscars, which in turn would allow Magic to have actual expansionist villains. Bolas' arc suffered especially bad because he controlled dozens of worlds but had no means to move information of resources from one to the other, so it wasn't much of an empire, but more like individual hideouts for him. Imagine how terrifying Bolas could have been if he could have launched a multi-planar invasion onto any plane he desired instead of grabbing a handful of shiny zombies and having to make do.
And you know what so they don’t kill off the phyrexians the world tree simply doesn't connect to new phyrexia/mirrodin so that’s the only plane non walkers can't go to. Thus phyrexians can't go to other planes since they are trapped
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
I don't know. It seems like a weird move. Plus it wouldn't resolve anything. New Phyrexia was isolated before. What stops the phyrexians from growing a second Realmbreaker? Phyrexia needs to be dealt with and if dealt with, there is no real reason to isolate Mirrodin from the rest of the multiverse unless it is to hammer home the idea how much it sucks to be a Mirran in the multiverse.
I predict one of the praetors escapes and hides somewhere in an obscure corner of the Multiverse, giving WotC the opportunity to bring back Phyrexians in the future. (Kinda like how they left Bolas alive.) It could even be Urabrask, which would be funny because of his epiphet "The Hidden".
there’s a huge factor I don’t see in the comment
how Do the phyrexias get the tree sap again without the planar bridge, and also that the esika tyrite sanctum will probably be far more guarded this time.
It's largely irrelevant how Phyrexia crosses the multiversal boundaries and how they achieve multiversal invasion. They already did it once and unless they are dealt with they remain a threat, whether they have access to the planar bridge or tyrite or achieve their goals through any other means.
https://magic.gg/news/magiccon-takes-minneapolis
when we snipp the background image we get this
next up for legends in march is Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy fight along side with quintorius, linvala, teferi, and chandra
so we now have 3 out of 5 of the most famous students of strixhaven so i think we can safely say by default we are also getting Killian, Ink Duelist and Rootha, Mercurial Artist
Maybe Strixhaven is going to be particularly relevant? Maybe they'll make their last stand there?