I highly doubt Phyrexia will be destroyed entirely considering they literally just made Phyrexian a creature type and are just now starting with phyrexian tribal effects.
They'll most likely go with another "Bolas after WAR" type ending. Most of the Phyrexians are purged from the invaded planes, and New Phyrexia (with the Praetors) is sealed off. The physical damage done to the planes remains, but in a way they are able to recover from. That way, they can easily bring back Phyrexia again in 5-10 years.
I'm not a big fan of the phyrexians now being able to phyrexianize Kami (Kamigawa Neon Dynasty stories) and elementals (Omnath). One of the key weaknesses of Phyrexia was their complete failure to understand non-physical things, like the soul etc.
I get that they wanted to make planeswalkers compleatable, but I think they should've done it in such a way that it doesnt touch the soul/spark itself.
I'm not a big fan of the phyrexians now being able to phyrexianize Kami (Kamigawa Neon Dynasty stories) and elementals (Omnath). One of the key weaknesses of Phyrexia was their complete failure to understand non-physical things, like the soul etc.
I get that they wanted to make planeswalkers compleatable, but I think they should've done it in such a way that it doesnt touch the soul/spark itself.
I hear you. I audibly groaned when I saw they Phyrexianized a God for crying out loud. That's just the dumbest ***** ever, I am sorry.
I'm not a big fan of the phyrexians now being able to phyrexianize Kami (Kamigawa Neon Dynasty stories) and elementals (Omnath). One of the key weaknesses of Phyrexia was their complete failure to understand non-physical things, like the soul etc.
I get that they wanted to make planeswalkers compleatable, but I think they should've done it in such a way that it doesnt touch the soul/spark itself.
I hear you. I audibly groaned when I saw they Phyrexianized a God for crying out loud. That's just the dumbest ***** ever, I am sorry.
I don't even think that inherently bad, given how faith operates on Theros, but it does raise some questions on how faith even works? Like, phyrexians are supposed to not have a soul. One would think that a soul is required to produce faith. Otherwise, can an automaton produce faith for a therosian god? Could I put googly eyes on an apple and it would produce faith? It muddies the whole issue really.
The main problem with this approach is that compleating enough therosians to start affecting the gods would take a ton of time. I don't think MoM is going to cover decades. It looks more to me like the whole thing will go down in weeks, months at most, and I doubt that's enough to fully phyrexianize an entire plane, while god(like being)s are trying to stop you at every corner.
I find it more likely that suddenly phyrexian kami will appear on Kamigawa because the mere existence of stuff in the physical world could result in a kami being born.
Well, frankly... i am still hoping for some timetravel-shenanigans to ensure the invasion did not happen in such extent.
Because what you see in the lifelands, is crazy - it looks like every single plane invaded is being phyrexianized beyond recognition (Theros looks the worst, with Capenna and Ikoria close behind.
On the other hand, the single card from Aftermath look like the battles will actually happen and have real high-profile casualties. I really do not know how the planes could return to any semblance of their former selves (again, Theros with seas turned to oil seems to be the worst).
The only good thing I see here are the 10 main + 8 side stories. Hell, if this is the end of the Multiverse as we know it, it friggin' deserves it.
If time travel-shenanigans isn't going to be a huge part of how New Phyrexia is going to be beaten, I am leaning to Elspeth counter-engineering the glistening oil to halo and pretty much obliterating the Phyrexians and healing those who are corrupted...
I too am at lost on how they're gonna tackle the pretty much changed planes post-Invasion.... I surely am glad that at least we have MOM: Aftermath unlike what happened with post-War of the Spark...
Well, it would be stupid to have a TIME WIZARD as the undoubted face of the set and not use it. I can still hardly believe that they would throw away the years of development of walkers who have "fallen" during the idiotic ill=fated attack (though it ironically mirrors the Nine Titans mission - with the exception that at least Urza was kinda successful).
On the other hand, it is apparent that for the MoM to have lasting effects on the Multiverse, the planes HAVE to remain connected by the Realmbreaker, so it HAS to be activated, and because it has to be activated, the New Phyrexia cannot be preliminarily destroyed and erased from existence.
Or, as it has been said, they were so pissed off after people complaining that War of the Spark just cost lives of many PW redshirts, otherwise killing just Gideon, Dack and Domri, that they went full berserk and just kill of whomever they choose. Not that it has not been done before, right (yes, I am looking at Invasion block, Hanna, Lin Sivvi, Eledamri...)
I can also see thet advantages (for Wirards). Since now, they can just shrug off any inconsistencis in returning to established planes. Everything can be attributed to consequences of the March. A character is missing? Killed during the invasion. A location destroyed/changed unrecognizably Caused by the invasion.... etc.
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I think the salvation of the multiverse is going to come down to two things: Teferi unphasing Zhalfir, and Elspeth's return. Both will be outside context problems for Phyrexia: Zhalfir will be the turning of the tide, a whole civilization that has spent all their time in exile preparing to defeat Phyrexia returning to aide the multiverse. Elspeth will have ascended to some new level of power and use it to purify Realmbreaker
I'm guessing Elspeth will use halo and the sylex as a legacy weapon 2.0 that will unleash a purifying/healing wave instead of a destructive one. Some of the walkers will be healed but have to deal with thier actions as a phyrexian, while some will truly die, one (Tamiyo) will escape and be the plot thread they leave for phyrexia to maybe return and the blast will stabilize the Realmbreaker so the multiverse is now connected.
The time travel thing felt more like y'all where trying to fit fit a square peg in a round hole with the whole "well Magic copies Marvel and Endgame had time travel so MoM will have time travel" logic. As caulkwrangler said Teferi unphasing Zhalfir will likely be a key in them winning which is why Teferi is being featured.
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I know I’m gonna but shut down for this and since they are not liked
but I just feel eldrazi’s will get involved somehow in this battle and just like with return of Zhalfir/elspeth back as a Angel it will turn the tide
and That theory of their purpose is to recycling dying planes and make them reborn with new life (basically in this case cleaning up the mess the phyrexians put on the planes.)
If you look closely, oil is dripping off the sides of Mercadia City. This does not bode well. Combine this with Theros's fate and the fact that Teferi is the/a face of the set, a sort of time travel resolution to the plot seems more and more likely.
If I am right and battles show the plane conquered by the phyrexians on the backside, then this would be a neat trick to make the battle cards canon in both ways: Reaching the backside is what happened in the original timeline, while repelling the invaders (not getting the battle to flip) would be the new timeline.
I'm guessing Elspeth will use halo and the sylex as a legacy weapon 2.0 that will unleash a purifying/healing wave instead of a destructive one. Some of the walkers will be healed but have to deal with thier actions as a phyrexian, while some will truly die, one (Tamiyo) will escape and be the plot thread they leave for phyrexia to maybe return and the blast will stabilize the Realmbreaker so the multiverse is now connected.
The time travel thing felt more like y'all where trying to fit fit a square peg in a round hole with the whole "well Magic copies Marvel and Endgame had time travel so MoM will have time travel" logic. As caulkwrangler said Teferi unphasing Zhalfir will likely be a key in them winning which is why Teferi is being featured.
While I believe time travel will be involved to solve all the damage to the multiverse (I just don't see Wizards throwing away Theros, that setting is too popular for that) I do think Halo will play a role as well. My first guess is that the Halo will purify the Realmbreaker to dephyrexianize it, transforming it into a more tree looking thing, which allows Wizards to continue using it to tie planes together without the bio-mechanical aesthetic of it.
I know I’m gonna but shut down for this and since they are not liked
but I just feel eldrazi’s will get involved somehow in this battle and just like with return of Zhalfir/elspeth back as a Angel it will turn the tide
and That theory of their purpose is to recycling dying planes and make them reborn with new life (basically in this case cleaning up the mess the phyrexians put on the planes.)
Honestly if there's ever going to be a set/plot where unleashing Emrakul without doing another Eldrazi set, it is now. I'm not betting money against Emrakul getting a card here. Probably one of those "desperate moments" slash "darkest hour" story spotlights. Something in the style of: Innistrad has fallen but in a last act of defiance Sorin or whoever releases Emrakul from her prison. Or she comes out by herself. She seems to be there voluntarily.
Inb4 Nahiri, Tamiyo and Nissa free her from the moon and Emrakul gets phyrexianized though, hahaha.
The time travel thing felt more like y'all where trying to fit fit a square peg in a round hole with the whole "well Magic copies Marvel and Endgame had time travel so MoM will have time travel" logic. As caulkwrangler said Teferi unphasing Zhalfir will likely be a key in them winning which is why Teferi is being featured.
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All I am saying since the New Phyrexia story hit is that many of locations (and characters) were already afflicted and changed in ways that are kind of irreparable.
Couple of pre-revisionist worlds already compleated, etc. Jace killed and resurrected, others compleated.
Irreparable unless you ensure that these things never happened - like when Jhoira, Barrin & Co. were butchered by Kerrick and the Phyrexians and the only way was to sent Karn to the past to prevent it.
If Theros seas turned to oil, the world will be a lifeless husk after the Invasion II ends. An immensely popular world, lost.
So please refrain from such borderline insults next time. Thanks.
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I'm guessing Elspeth will use halo and the sylex as a legacy weapon 2.0 that will unleash a purifying/healing wave instead of a destructive one. Some of the walkers will be healed but have to deal with thier actions as a phyrexian, while some will truly die, one (Tamiyo) will escape and be the plot thread they leave for phyrexia to maybe return and the blast will stabilize the Realmbreaker so the multiverse is now connected.
The time travel thing felt more like y'all where trying to fit fit a square peg in a round hole with the whole "well Magic copies Marvel and Endgame had time travel so MoM will have time travel" logic. As caulkwrangler said Teferi unphasing Zhalfir will likely be a key in them winning which is why Teferi is being featured.
While I believe time travel will be involved to solve all the damage to the multiverse (I just don't see Wizards throwing away Theros, that setting is too popular for that) I do think Halo will play a role as well. My first guess is that the Halo will purify the Realmbreaker to dephyrexianize it, transforming it into a more tree looking thing, which allows Wizards to continue using it to tie planes together without the bio-mechanical aesthetic of it.
I think its as soramaro pointed out, the planes will be wrecked up some but left intact enough to heal (like helped/sped up via halo). I could see Teferi maybe using time magic to help with this but I'm just not convinced that he's just gonna hit the time magic reset button to fix stuff (unless we have the (very real) possibility of wizard lying about the multiverse being changed ect)
That said I agree about Realmbreaker being turned into a more normal tree. I think Kaya and Kaito fears about the sylex damaging the multiverse might be subverted in that the sylex/halo blast will use Realmbreaker to spread through the planes healing vs harming.
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Well, it would be stupid to have a TIME WIZARD as the undoubted face of the set and not use it. I can still hardly believe that they would throw away the years of development of walkers who have "fallen" during the idiotic ill=fated attack (though it ironically mirrors the Nine Titans mission - with the exception that at least Urza was kinda successful).
True... but at this point, Time Travel to easily reverse this Invasion just feels BLAH in comparison than how the Phyrexian oil got more stronger (that at least has more backing). And is halo that powerful enough for Teferi to be able to do some Commodore-Guff changing level time spell? (unless Halo from a revived-Elspeth pretty much unlocks his Oldwalker level power or something)
I have a nudge that Teferi might indeed be a factor in the solution, but it's not just him acting solely alone and not the major source (e.g. Maybe slowing/quickening time for the re-engineered Halo to vanquish the Neo Phyrexians all over the Realmbreaker connected realms? Maybe helping a revived-Elspeth or something to reach out to the Realmbreaker connected planes?)...
Also, a lot of people are bringing up Zhalfir in the solution equation... I am personally not well versed in the lore of them, but are they THAT strong enough to turn the tides with a more souped up Phyrexia?
If Theros seas turned to oil, the world will be a lifeless husk after the Invasion II ends. An immensely popular world, lost.
You're reading too much into the flavor text of a single card (Tranquil Cove). Just think of Dominaria post-Time Spiral. All the plains were salt-filled wastes, all the islands slag heaps - but upon the next visit, Wizard went "well, there was some damage, but with the Mending mana flowed back into the land and everything healed pretty fast. Anyway... remember the old Dominaria you know and love?" (I'm still a bit bumed out by that)
The same thing happened with Innistrad, were apparently everyone and their mother (and even whole towns) turned into Eldrazi monstrosities, but then everything turned back to regular old spoopy land for the next return. They'll find a way to minimize/trivialize the effects to protect their future products planes, you can be sure.
I don't think it has to be time travel, because Elspeth/halo wouldn't really be needed for that one. I like 5colors' theory that Elspeth will weaponize halo as "anti-glistening oil" (they are both liquids, after all) and Zhalfir will help out somehow.
If Theros seas turned to oil, the world will be a lifeless husk after the Invasion II ends. An immensely popular world, lost.
You're reading too much into the flavor text of a single card (Tranquil Cove). Just think of Dominaria post-Time Spiral. All the plains were salt-filled wastes, all the islands slag heaps - but upon the next visit, Wizard went "well, there was some damage, but with the Mending mana flowed back into the land and everything healed pretty fast. Anyway... remember the old Dominaria you know and love?" (I'm still a bit bumed out by that)
The same thing happened with Innistrad, were apparently everyone and their mother (and even whole towns) turned into Eldrazi monstrosities, but then everything turned back to regular old spoopy land for the next return. They'll find a way to minimize/trivialize the effects to protect their future products planes, you can be sure.
To be fair, Time Spiral happened way before WotC started treating planes like brands. I think around Return to Ravnica did they start to become careful how much they change planes, because revisiting planes was definitely on the table at that point.
Shadows over Innistrad always made the point that not everyone turned into eldrazi abominations. Otherwise you wouldn't have this last stand that we had. Innistrad returning to what we had before was always a given.
Also, a lot of people are bringing up Zhalfir in the solution equation... I am personally not well versed in the lore of them, but are they THAT strong enough to turn the tides with a more souped up Phyrexia?
I am also doubtful on that. What is Zhalfir realistically gonna do? It was said that they prepared against the Phyrexians in all this time, but they prepared against old phyrexians without glistening oil. All the parameters of war have changed.
I think its as soramaro pointed out, the planes will be wrecked up some but left intact enough to heal (like helped/sped up via halo). I could see Teferi maybe using time magic to help with this but I'm just not convinced that he's just gonna hit the time magic reset button to fix stuff (unless we have the (very real) possibility of wizard lying about the multiverse being changed ect)
I don't think (or rather I hope, heh) that Teferi will simply reset everything and kill baby Elesh Norn or give Karn a wet wipe before going to Mirrodin. I think he will merely change the parameters enough to give the heros a realistic winning chance. He might visit key moments in the past that have small, almost unnoticeable effects but end up being important details. At least that's how I would do it, because, yeah, big resets are boring.
Well let's face it - they are gunna crush into each an every world/character/storyline they've got to set a final stamp. Like one said - it's Invasion 2.0 and there wasn't much left after it:
We lost our main characters (Urza, Gerrard, Hanna, most of the other Nine Titans, Yagmoth, Crovax, Eldamari, Takara, the Academy around Barrin, Teferi, Multani...) with only a few ones standing - Sisay, Orim, Tahngarth, Squee Lord Windgrace, Freyalise to name the most natable ones. Some of them never returned after the "time jump" into the future but others made a reapperance even if we thought they were dead - like Jodah, the Weatherlight herself, Ertai, ...
So yes - it will become horrible messy and most people will die to make room for new characters to shine or to make room for legends how one has survived, has returned becomes redeemed or something else like a god or spirit. And with Kaervek and Tezzeret they are "releasing" more "evil" for the future.
In Invasion we lost two whole worlds - Phyrexia and Rath due the soulbombs and the overlay - and most notable locations were compleatly altered - Yavimaya was planted to Urborg, Shiv and Zhalfir phased out, Tolaria demolished, Keld molten down in a volcano, llanowar bombarded with biological bombs... And nevertheless all of them recovered really well in a way or another.
It's clear that phyrexia needs to loose - otherwise the whole world building would be useless. More than that it would be quite stupid that old phyrexia threw the armies of two worlds (three if you count the fleet in mercadia), planar portals, skyships, dragon engines and mechanical spires, chemical and biological weapons, a whole plane, microbots in flowstone and a f*ing god on dominaria alone and lost (but killing some god-like planeswalkers like flees) and Miss mortal Skullhead here mananges to conquer all known worlds (including dominaria) in mere weeks with just one - not even under one banner united - army? That's hillarious just in the numbers...
With Elspeths return, the Coalition has now two "Outs" to play - Teferi (do we KNOW if he's a playeswalker anymore? His last story had a strange passage there...) and her. I like the idea of infusion the world tree with halo - as the whole "will be one"-story seems to be new phyrexias greatest strength and therefore could be they hardest downfall. This would cleanse the whole white faction from existence and would place phyrexia where it (in my oppionion) belongs - black for careless ambition and blue for reckless innovation. Red could die in an explosive finish of resistence and green finds it's greater master like Garruk or even nature itself like Multani&Yargle/Worldsoul...
So just finish it off - kill each and everything - i hope that so old story is preserved in legends and a new - better - one can emerge.
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I think we can safely rule out a time travel solution, for the reason that Elspeth (rather than Teferi) appears to emphatically be the hero of the set. That means whatever the ultimate solution is, Elspeth will be the key, and Elspeth can't do time travel. I expect Teferi will be important, but ultimately not the final key to saving the day. He seems more apt to play the role of the first counter-punch by returning with Zhalfir, much like the reveal of Parhelion II/Awakening of Vitu-Ghazi (or even Niv-Mizzet Reborn) was a huge "the good guys are fighting back" moment during WAR reveal season. His re-entrance won't win the day, but will allow the good guys to regroup, stabilize, and hit back, while Elspeth takes on Norn.
Based on what we know of Elspeth, and the continued emphasis on both Capenna and Halo, I agree with the prior thought that Elspeth will detonate some kind of Halo super-nuke on Realmbreaker that will more or less purge/roll back the Phyrexian corruption while leaving the planes connected. I am actually increasingly convinced that Elspeth's grand re-entrance (presumably on Capenna) will involve her outright un-compleating Atraxa (at least mentally) with her new/remembered angelic powers. The idea of the Phyrexians, and particularly Norn, having to fear un-compleation by Elspeth the same way everyone else fears completion is very appealing, and would truly hammer home the idea of Elspeth as the bane of Phyrexia and Phyrexians.
At this point, I won't even rule out something being revealed like Elspech being a savior figure engineered/predestined by Capennan angels as the ultimate weapon against Phyrexia when somehow using/uniting with Halo.
With all the parallels we see (most apparently the PW strike team mimicking (and failing in it) the Nine Titans mission), with Elesh Norn fearing Elspeth, it would be a parallel to Gerrard and the Legacy Weapon...
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I agree with most of the predictions in this thread so far:
- Elspeth becoming an angel planeswalker -- people have been begging for this for a long time and it makes sense for her. Not a fan of the predestined trope though.
- Not actual time travel but time manipulation to give the good guys an edge. I would not be surprised if Zhalfirians end up with time manipulation weapons or something.
- I doubt Halo will be contagious or self-replicating like oil; that would be cliche. Probably something like Elspeth exhausting her spark to create enough halo to purge everything via the realm breaker? Would also be cliched for her to die, a little less cliche for her to lose her planeswalker spark but remain as an Angel.
Personally:
- I'll be annoyed if the Eldrazi can be corrupted, or if they are let loose merely to fight the phyrexians because they are a 'lesser evil'. Would really undercut them as a threat.
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I get that they wanted to make planeswalkers compleatable, but I think they should've done it in such a way that it doesnt touch the soul/spark itself.
I hear you. I audibly groaned when I saw they Phyrexianized a God for crying out loud. That's just the dumbest ***** ever, I am sorry.
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The main problem with this approach is that compleating enough therosians to start affecting the gods would take a ton of time. I don't think MoM is going to cover decades. It looks more to me like the whole thing will go down in weeks, months at most, and I doubt that's enough to fully phyrexianize an entire plane, while god(like being)s are trying to stop you at every corner.
I find it more likely that suddenly phyrexian kami will appear on Kamigawa because the mere existence of stuff in the physical world could result in a kami being born.
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Well, it would be stupid to have a TIME WIZARD as the undoubted face of the set and not use it. I can still hardly believe that they would throw away the years of development of walkers who have "fallen" during the idiotic ill=fated attack (though it ironically mirrors the Nine Titans mission - with the exception that at least Urza was kinda successful).
On the other hand, it is apparent that for the MoM to have lasting effects on the Multiverse, the planes HAVE to remain connected by the Realmbreaker, so it HAS to be activated, and because it has to be activated, the New Phyrexia cannot be preliminarily destroyed and erased from existence.
Or, as it has been said, they were so pissed off after people complaining that War of the Spark just cost lives of many PW redshirts, otherwise killing just Gideon, Dack and Domri, that they went full berserk and just kill of whomever they choose. Not that it has not been done before, right (yes, I am looking at Invasion block, Hanna, Lin Sivvi, Eledamri...)
I can also see thet advantages (for Wirards). Since now, they can just shrug off any inconsistencis in returning to established planes. Everything can be attributed to consequences of the March. A character is missing? Killed during the invasion. A location destroyed/changed unrecognizably Caused by the invasion.... etc.
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The time travel thing felt more like y'all where trying to fit fit a square peg in a round hole with the whole "well Magic copies Marvel and Endgame had time travel so MoM will have time travel" logic. As caulkwrangler said Teferi unphasing Zhalfir will likely be a key in them winning which is why Teferi is being featured.
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but I just feel eldrazi’s will get involved somehow in this battle and just like with return of Zhalfir/elspeth back as a Angel it will turn the tide
and That theory of their purpose is to recycling dying planes and make them reborn with new life (basically in this case cleaning up the mess the phyrexians put on the planes.)
If you look closely, oil is dripping off the sides of Mercadia City. This does not bode well. Combine this with Theros's fate and the fact that Teferi is the/a face of the set, a sort of time travel resolution to the plot seems more and more likely.
If I am right and battles show the plane conquered by the phyrexians on the backside, then this would be a neat trick to make the battle cards canon in both ways: Reaching the backside is what happened in the original timeline, while repelling the invaders (not getting the battle to flip) would be the new timeline.
While I believe time travel will be involved to solve all the damage to the multiverse (I just don't see Wizards throwing away Theros, that setting is too popular for that) I do think Halo will play a role as well. My first guess is that the Halo will purify the Realmbreaker to dephyrexianize it, transforming it into a more tree looking thing, which allows Wizards to continue using it to tie planes together without the bio-mechanical aesthetic of it.
Honestly if there's ever going to be a set/plot where unleashing Emrakul without doing another Eldrazi set, it is now. I'm not betting money against Emrakul getting a card here. Probably one of those "desperate moments" slash "darkest hour" story spotlights. Something in the style of: Innistrad has fallen but in a last act of defiance Sorin or whoever releases Emrakul from her prison. Or she comes out by herself. She seems to be there voluntarily.
Inb4 Nahiri, Tamiyo and Nissa free her from the moon and Emrakul gets phyrexianized though, hahaha.
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All I am saying since the New Phyrexia story hit is that many of locations (and characters) were already afflicted and changed in ways that are kind of irreparable.
Couple of pre-revisionist worlds already compleated, etc. Jace killed and resurrected, others compleated.
Irreparable unless you ensure that these things never happened - like when Jhoira, Barrin & Co. were butchered by Kerrick and the Phyrexians and the only way was to sent Karn to the past to prevent it.
If Theros seas turned to oil, the world will be a lifeless husk after the Invasion II ends. An immensely popular world, lost.
So please refrain from such borderline insults next time. Thanks.
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I think its as soramaro pointed out, the planes will be wrecked up some but left intact enough to heal (like helped/sped up via halo). I could see Teferi maybe using time magic to help with this but I'm just not convinced that he's just gonna hit the time magic reset button to fix stuff (unless we have the (very real) possibility of wizard lying about the multiverse being changed ect)
That said I agree about Realmbreaker being turned into a more normal tree. I think Kaya and Kaito fears about the sylex damaging the multiverse might be subverted in that the sylex/halo blast will use Realmbreaker to spread through the planes healing vs harming.
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True... but at this point, Time Travel to easily reverse this Invasion just feels BLAH in comparison than how the Phyrexian oil got more stronger (that at least has more backing). And is halo that powerful enough for Teferi to be able to do some Commodore-Guff changing level time spell? (unless Halo from a revived-Elspeth pretty much unlocks his Oldwalker level power or something)
I have a nudge that Teferi might indeed be a factor in the solution, but it's not just him acting solely alone and not the major source (e.g. Maybe slowing/quickening time for the re-engineered Halo to vanquish the Neo Phyrexians all over the Realmbreaker connected realms? Maybe helping a revived-Elspeth or something to reach out to the Realmbreaker connected planes?)...
Also, a lot of people are bringing up Zhalfir in the solution equation... I am personally not well versed in the lore of them, but are they THAT strong enough to turn the tides with a more souped up Phyrexia?
The same thing happened with Innistrad, were apparently everyone and their mother (and even whole towns) turned into Eldrazi monstrosities, but then everything turned back to regular old spoopy land for the next return. They'll find a way to minimize/trivialize the effects to protect their
future productsplanes, you can be sure.I don't think it has to be time travel, because Elspeth/halo wouldn't really be needed for that one. I like 5colors' theory that Elspeth will weaponize halo as "anti-glistening oil" (they are both liquids, after all) and Zhalfir will help out somehow.
To be fair, Time Spiral happened way before WotC started treating planes like brands. I think around Return to Ravnica did they start to become careful how much they change planes, because revisiting planes was definitely on the table at that point.
Shadows over Innistrad always made the point that not everyone turned into eldrazi abominations. Otherwise you wouldn't have this last stand that we had. Innistrad returning to what we had before was always a given.
I am also doubtful on that. What is Zhalfir realistically gonna do? It was said that they prepared against the Phyrexians in all this time, but they prepared against old phyrexians without glistening oil. All the parameters of war have changed.
I don't think (or rather I hope, heh) that Teferi will simply reset everything and kill baby Elesh Norn or give Karn a wet wipe before going to Mirrodin. I think he will merely change the parameters enough to give the heros a realistic winning chance. He might visit key moments in the past that have small, almost unnoticeable effects but end up being important details. At least that's how I would do it, because, yeah, big resets are boring.
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We lost our main characters (Urza, Gerrard, Hanna, most of the other Nine Titans, Yagmoth, Crovax, Eldamari, Takara, the Academy around Barrin, Teferi, Multani...) with only a few ones standing - Sisay, Orim, Tahngarth, Squee Lord Windgrace, Freyalise to name the most natable ones. Some of them never returned after the "time jump" into the future but others made a reapperance even if we thought they were dead - like Jodah, the Weatherlight herself, Ertai, ...
So yes - it will become horrible messy and most people will die to make room for new characters to shine or to make room for legends how one has survived, has returned becomes redeemed or something else like a god or spirit. And with Kaervek and Tezzeret they are "releasing" more "evil" for the future.
In Invasion we lost two whole worlds - Phyrexia and Rath due the soulbombs and the overlay - and most notable locations were compleatly altered - Yavimaya was planted to Urborg, Shiv and Zhalfir phased out, Tolaria demolished, Keld molten down in a volcano, llanowar bombarded with biological bombs... And nevertheless all of them recovered really well in a way or another.
It's clear that phyrexia needs to loose - otherwise the whole world building would be useless. More than that it would be quite stupid that old phyrexia threw the armies of two worlds (three if you count the fleet in mercadia), planar portals, skyships, dragon engines and mechanical spires, chemical and biological weapons, a whole plane, microbots in flowstone and a f*ing god on dominaria alone and lost (but killing some god-like planeswalkers like flees) and Miss mortal Skullhead here mananges to conquer all known worlds (including dominaria) in mere weeks with just one - not even under one banner united - army? That's hillarious just in the numbers...
With Elspeths return, the Coalition has now two "Outs" to play - Teferi (do we KNOW if he's a playeswalker anymore? His last story had a strange passage there...) and her. I like the idea of infusion the world tree with halo - as the whole "will be one"-story seems to be new phyrexias greatest strength and therefore could be they hardest downfall. This would cleanse the whole white faction from existence and would place phyrexia where it (in my oppionion) belongs - black for careless ambition and blue for reckless innovation. Red could die in an explosive finish of resistence and green finds it's greater master like Garruk or even nature itself like Multani&Yargle/Worldsoul...
So just finish it off - kill each and everything - i hope that so old story is preserved in legends and a new - better - one can emerge.
For all you have done for the game we love.
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Rest in Peace.
Based on what we know of Elspeth, and the continued emphasis on both Capenna and Halo, I agree with the prior thought that Elspeth will detonate some kind of Halo super-nuke on Realmbreaker that will more or less purge/roll back the Phyrexian corruption while leaving the planes connected. I am actually increasingly convinced that Elspeth's grand re-entrance (presumably on Capenna) will involve her outright un-compleating Atraxa (at least mentally) with her new/remembered angelic powers. The idea of the Phyrexians, and particularly Norn, having to fear un-compleation by Elspeth the same way everyone else fears completion is very appealing, and would truly hammer home the idea of Elspeth as the bane of Phyrexia and Phyrexians.
With all the parallels we see (most apparently the PW strike team mimicking (and failing in it) the Nine Titans mission), with Elesh Norn fearing Elspeth, it would be a parallel to Gerrard and the Legacy Weapon...
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- Elspeth becoming an angel planeswalker -- people have been begging for this for a long time and it makes sense for her. Not a fan of the predestined trope though.
- Not actual time travel but time manipulation to give the good guys an edge. I would not be surprised if Zhalfirians end up with time manipulation weapons or something.
- I doubt Halo will be contagious or self-replicating like oil; that would be cliche. Probably something like Elspeth exhausting her spark to create enough halo to purge everything via the realm breaker? Would also be cliched for her to die, a little less cliche for her to lose her planeswalker spark but remain as an Angel.
Personally:
- I'll be annoyed if the Eldrazi can be corrupted, or if they are let loose merely to fight the phyrexians because they are a 'lesser evil'. Would really undercut them as a threat.