As the set gets spoiled, the story stuff keeps getting weirder and weirder. Meeting of the Five is a story spotlight, but Soul of Emancipation isn't. Yet we never saw a meeting of the five family heads...
I suppose Meeting is supposed to reference the founding of New Capenna, but that's worldbuilding/lore, not story.
The Magic Historian (a.k.a. Mike Hatcher) did a rant video about how bad Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro messed up on the MTG lore for Streets of New Capenna on his other YouTube Channel titled 'Hatcher' If you haven't checked it out yet. To sum up his argument for this set in terms of it's lore is literally telling people to turn their brains off and buy the cards. It's frustrating when Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro won't tell us what's actually going on within the MTG lore and leaves us guessing throughout each new set release unless it's on their official website. I get that they stopped writing print novels and stuck with posting the MTG lore on their official website though I can't help but feel that it leads to more questions than answers.
For the Magic Historian to get THAT upset about the MTG lore involving why Elspeth and Ob-Nixilis are on New Capenna leads me to believe that Hasbro gave Wizards of the Coast not as much of a budget to work with where they don't have as much time to work on world building new sets when they're forced to meet deadline after deadline just to increase Hasbro's profit margins. It's led to a lot of the recent wallet fatigue and set stagnation we've seen over the years. I do care enough about the MTG lore enough to where I liked how things developed with how the Weatherlight crew defeated Yawgmoth and the Phyrexians back when Wizards of the Coast had a bigger budget to work with and didn't just make money machine go brrr just for the sake of it.
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The Magic Historian (a.k.a. Mike Hatcher) did a rant video about how bad Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro messed up on the MTG lore for Streets of New Capenna on his other YouTube Channel titled 'Hatcher' If you haven't checked it out yet. To sum up his argument for this set in terms of it's lore is literally telling people to turn their brains off and buy the cards. It's frustrating when Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro won't tell us what's actually going on within the MTG lore and leaves us guessing throughout each new set release unless it's on their official website. I get that they stopped writing print novels and stuck with posting the MTG lore on their official website though I can't help but feel that it leads to more questions than answers.
For the Magic Historian to get THAT upset about the MTG lore involving why Elspeth and Ob-Nixilis are on New Capenna leads me to believe that Hasbro gave Wizards of the Coast not as much of a budget to work with where they don't have as much time to work on world building new sets when they're forced to meet deadline after deadline just to increase Hasbro's profit margins. It's led to a lot of the recent wallet fatigue and set stagnation we've seen over the years. I do care enough about the MTG lore enough to where I liked how things developed with how the Weatherlight crew defeated Yawgmoth and the Phyrexians back when Wizards of the Coast had a bigger budget to work with and didn't just make money machine go brrr just for the sake of it.
Ok, what exactly where his arguments for that it sucks? Granted, New Capenna wasn't at all a masterwork of fiction, but I am pretty sure I got the gist of what happened and was pretty intrigued by some of the plot elements without being particularly angry about any specific plot point. Ob Nixilis is there because that's his whole stick, trying to conquer worlds, why not start with one that's only a single city and is also already ruled by demonic mafia heads? Elspeth is there to find out more about her apparent home plane and find something that will help against the Phyrexians. The motivations seem clear to me.
And the world-building itself was pretty great in my opinion, certainly better than Ikoria's, but not as great as Neon Dynasty's admittedly. Yes, the format they chose is restrictive (5 stories is definitely not enough) and leads to below par pacing. It is also annoying that they can't seem to be able to line up the actual story and the cards properly, but being this angry about THIS set specifically seems... strange. I also don't see how New Capenna's lore is telling us (literally too apparently) to buy cards and turn our brains of. Care to elaborate? Also the Weatherlight saga definitely had its ups and serious downs as well (*cough* Prophecy *cough*).
Have you actually read the stories yourself though?
I have all 5 chapters
I was talking to Card Slinger J since all of his options and thoughts on based on the Hatcher persons thoughts vs having his own options. Feels like CSJ didn't read the stories at all and just wanted to put another on of their half-baked "magic is being ruined/dying" theories posts again.
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“There are no weak Jews. I am descended from those who wrestle angels and kill giants. We were chosen by God. You were chosen by a pathetic little man who can't seem to grow a full mustache"
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Have you actually read the stories yourself though?
I have all 5 chapters
I was talking to Card Slinger J since all of his options and thoughts on based on the Hatcher persons thoughts vs having his own options. Feels like CSJ didn't read the stories at all and just wanted to put another on of their half-baked "magic is being ruined/dying" theories posts again.
whoops lol I set him to ignore is why I didn't see that
anyway He’s no different to those fake internet people to saying (mtg dead/set or nearly all cards is bad/UB is gonna turn mtg super smash bros) they just want attention and to rile up people and get attention
A change is coming to New Phyrexia. Freedom tempered in a red furnace will be the fire that sparks a revolution. That, at least, is Urabrask's secret hope. Until then, he must play his part. Recovering from his transit to this plane, the Rebel Praetor stays hidden deep in the bowels of New Capenna's Caldaia. Urabrask may as well be at home: here, the world is a maze of furnaces, boilers, steam pipes, and foundries. It's a crude mirror of his realm on New Phyrexia, but close enough to lend him strength as he plans his next move.
Prophetic dreams—visions in the flame and the oil—led him to this towering city. There's someone here he's meant to meet. Someone important. Someone who needs to know what the future holds . . .
so he probably doesn't mind staying on new capenna since underground looks nearly identical to his furnace.
They changed Vivien's motivation again and this time even her backstory. Boy, they really don't know what to do with her, do they.
Also, really curious how this phyrexian arc will play out. Is peace with the red faction possible? Will we get "good" phyrexians eventually? That would be most fascinating.
They changed Vivien's motivation again and this time even her backstory. Boy, they really don't know what to do with her, do they.
Also, really curious how this phyrexian arc will play out. Is peace with the red faction possible? Will we get "good" phyrexians eventually? That would be most fascinating.
I was under the impression that Vivien changed her mind about civilization because of what she witnessed on Ikoria, but since I never read the corresponding book, I can't be entirely sure. I actually do like her new 'civilization and nature should be balanced' characterization though.
I like the added complexities that compleated planeswalkers and a mirran-allied phyrexian faction provide, I think the first thing this will impact is Karn's decision to blow New Phyrexia up. With the surviving Mirrans and 'friendly'
Phyrexians, this might not be something he can just go through with.
Ok wizards I just did some further reading on falco
Falco was on top of the world, a lord of Park Heights. Each of the other four families relied on his Brokers for protection, as well as much of the city's civic and social elite. And then the Adversary came, and Falco discovered how far the fall is from the top of the world.
They did it again… they did a a major death off screen and failed to put on card and the lore (dack faden during war trailer but no lore nor card not even maro knew about it.)
It wasn't just Xander Ob Nixilis murdered
If there’s a card that has it, it could be Threefold Signal. (The bird on the street)
Ok wizards I just did some further reading on falco
Falco was on top of the world, a lord of Park Heights. Each of the other four families relied on his Brokers for protection, as well as much of the city's civic and social elite. And then the Adversary came, and Falco discovered how far the fall is from the top of the world.
They did it again… they did a a major death off screen and failed to put on card and the lore (dack faden during war trailer but no lore nor card not even maro knew about it.)
It wasn't just Xander Ob Nixilis murdered
If there’s a card that has it, it could be Threefold Signal. (The bird on the street)
Huh, I thought Threefold Signal had a griffin on it and Falco didn't die (the Brokers just effectively turfed him, possibly by having the majority of the Brokers betray him for the Adversary Chapter 5-style). If Wizards wanted to say that Falco died, they did a really poor job of it, IMO.
I'll be completely honest here - I really enjoy the New Capenna setting and flavor, and would honestly have enjoyed the whole experience even more if the entire main storyline of Elspeth and Ob Nixilis just flat out didn't happen. The side characters and worldbuilding are all exponentially more entertaining than the planeswalker saga the dropped on top of it.
I'm honestly hoping they make up another D&D book for New Capenna, so that I can enjoy the setting and world for what it is and not have to worry about all the other extraneous stuff.
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"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
perhaps there are Incubator sites where actors engage one another to roleplay out the storyline and Wizards transcribes the events that occur within them , human frailties and all
Lots of stuff we already know, and not much new info. If this is the level of information they're going to put in these, they should probably put them up before the stories.
On the plane's actual demons:
Eager to gain a slice of New Capenna before all wedges of power were claimed, these mortals gave themselves over to the archdemons, whose plot against the archangels could only be accomplished through the archdemons' own mutual sacrifice.
That's pretty much it. Boy would it be nice to know what the demons actually did, where they went, or how they sacrificed themselves...
The blurb on "Whatever happened to the rest of the plane?" doesn't really answer the question in its own headline. Also, why do they dance around naming the Phyrexians in this article? It's not a secret that they were here in the past...
I really like the idea of New Capenna, but they did a pretty bad job at making it feel like there's an actual history or background to the setting. It's like a video game where the main locations are rendered OKish but peeking around the next-best corner reveals the low-poly models that make up the rest of the scenery.
Lots of stuff we already know, and not much new info. If this is the level of information they're going to put in these, they should probably put them up before the stories.
On the plane's actual demons:
Eager to gain a slice of New Capenna before all wedges of power were claimed, these mortals gave themselves over to the archdemons, whose plot against the archangels could only be accomplished through the archdemons' own mutual sacrifice.
That's pretty much it. Boy would it be nice to know what the demons actually did, where they went, or how they sacrificed themselves...
The blurb on "Whatever happened to the rest of the plane?" doesn't really answer the question in its own headline. Also, why do they dance around naming the Phyrexians in this article? It's not a secret that they were here in the past...
I really like the idea of New Capenna, but they did a pretty bad job at making it feel like there's an actual history or background to the setting. It's like a video game where the main locations are rendered OKish but peeking around the next-best corner reveals the low-poly models that make up the rest of the scenery.
you wanna know what happened Ka
inhuman greed happened
i mean first of all
what does
"three fingers stitched to the forehead of an elf"
even mean Ka
a loooooong time ago
some editor-priests were like
uhhh you know we can tell that those aren·t aligned right
basically
when i arrived on the scene at NurseryTwo
these three paid actors kicked from happy-singing-standby-mode
to
"WHY IS THERE A NUN HERE AT THE HABIT GET IT OUT GET IT OUT"
which makes zero sense whatsoever
basically
Aysen Abbey was booby-trapped from the get-go
and i cleaned it out top-to-bottom
and then posted the walkthrough on GameFAQ
It's like a video game where the main locations are rendered OKish but peeking around the next-best corner reveals the low-poly models that make up the rest of the scenery.
is exactly what happened
i·ve got piles and piles of evidence by the way
whole tablets and phones full of notes , audio recordings , transcriptions , video , i·ve got backup SD cards , even the dream chip from NurseryOne
Great, drop that evidence in a different thread then. We love confirmed data about behind the scenes stuff.
Also, I promise you don't have to post like this to make us think you're cool. We're on a Magic the Gathering forum. Nobody here is cool. If this is your true genuine self, then I'm not gonna try to yuck your yum, but if it isn't, talking like a drop post on a conspiracy board isn't going to foster more communication. At best, you're going to get blocked by the people who don't want to try and parse your posts.
As for the Planeswalker's Guide: It is disappointing. It feels more like the set pitch than their usual world-building documents, and definitely seems like there's less to go around than Kamigawa. (Perhaps, ironically because it focused on five groups, rather than having them in the background, as in Neon Dynasty.) I'm wondering if this is a sign that fatigue is starting to get to the World Building team. Perhaps the reason we got two return sets on the same world, two new sets, and two return sets on the same world afterwards is to try and give them some sort of break, so they don't burn out trying to come up with four+ unique worlds, or variants of a familiar world a year. Since they switched to the One Set model in 2018, we've visited 12 worlds, which is, let's be frank, a lot.
It's not an excuse, because WotC has a *****-ton of money, and can in fact hire more people to make that work, but I also don't want to completely crap on the individuals involved for what is definitely hard work.
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i·m a poet
"the source of the Cabaretti·s Halo" is me .
i·m not ******* with you ,
Izzet Division has been hacking my phone and illegally distributing my music for months now
and the goddamn ******* CIA no-i-am-not-*******-with-you caught them in the act of it
that·s the entire Cabaretti-Brokers plot arch
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I suppose Meeting is supposed to reference the founding of New Capenna, but that's worldbuilding/lore, not story.
CALLED IT!
Giada is a Angel.
and I want to remind on the lore if I recall correct elspeth ended up having a similar glow
For the Magic Historian to get THAT upset about the MTG lore involving why Elspeth and Ob-Nixilis are on New Capenna leads me to believe that Hasbro gave Wizards of the Coast not as much of a budget to work with where they don't have as much time to work on world building new sets when they're forced to meet deadline after deadline just to increase Hasbro's profit margins. It's led to a lot of the recent wallet fatigue and set stagnation we've seen over the years. I do care enough about the MTG lore enough to where I liked how things developed with how the Weatherlight crew defeated Yawgmoth and the Phyrexians back when Wizards of the Coast had a bigger budget to work with and didn't just make money machine go brrr just for the sake of it.
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
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"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
I have all 5 chapters
Ok, what exactly where his arguments for that it sucks? Granted, New Capenna wasn't at all a masterwork of fiction, but I am pretty sure I got the gist of what happened and was pretty intrigued by some of the plot elements without being particularly angry about any specific plot point. Ob Nixilis is there because that's his whole stick, trying to conquer worlds, why not start with one that's only a single city and is also already ruled by demonic mafia heads? Elspeth is there to find out more about her apparent home plane and find something that will help against the Phyrexians. The motivations seem clear to me.
And the world-building itself was pretty great in my opinion, certainly better than Ikoria's, but not as great as Neon Dynasty's admittedly. Yes, the format they chose is restrictive (5 stories is definitely not enough) and leads to below par pacing. It is also annoying that they can't seem to be able to line up the actual story and the cards properly, but being this angry about THIS set specifically seems... strange. I also don't see how New Capenna's lore is telling us (literally too apparently) to buy cards and turn our brains of. Care to elaborate? Also the Weatherlight saga definitely had its ups and serious downs as well (*cough* Prophecy *cough*).
I was talking to Card Slinger J since all of his options and thoughts on based on the Hatcher persons thoughts vs having his own options. Feels like CSJ didn't read the stories at all and just wanted to put another on of their half-baked "magic is being ruined/dying" theories posts again.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
whoops lol I set him to ignore is why I didn't see that
anyway He’s no different to those fake internet people to saying (mtg dead/set or nearly all cards is bad/UB is gonna turn mtg super smash bros) they just want attention and to rile up people and get attention
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/legends-youll-find-streets-new-capenna-2022-04-22
And here’s Urabrask's
so he probably doesn't mind staying on new capenna since underground looks nearly identical to his furnace.
EDIT: No Toluz, either? They broke that hybrid-mana cycle of bios? This is an outrage!
On another note, Jaxis is female? I thought Jaxis was a male with great pecs.
Also, really curious how this phyrexian arc will play out. Is peace with the red faction possible? Will we get "good" phyrexians eventually? That would be most fascinating.
I was under the impression that Vivien changed her mind about civilization because of what she witnessed on Ikoria, but since I never read the corresponding book, I can't be entirely sure. I actually do like her new 'civilization and nature should be balanced' characterization though.
I like the added complexities that compleated planeswalkers and a mirran-allied phyrexian faction provide, I think the first thing this will impact is Karn's decision to blow New Phyrexia up. With the surviving Mirrans and 'friendly'
Phyrexians, this might not be something he can just go through with.
They did it again… they did a a major death off screen and failed to put on card and the lore (dack faden during war trailer but no lore nor card not even maro knew about it.)
It wasn't just Xander Ob Nixilis murdered
If there’s a card that has it, it could be Threefold Signal. (The bird on the street)
Huh, I thought Threefold Signal had a griffin on it and Falco didn't die (the Brokers just effectively turfed him, possibly by having the majority of the Brokers betray him for the Adversary Chapter 5-style). If Wizards wanted to say that Falco died, they did a really poor job of it, IMO.
I'm honestly hoping they make up another D&D book for New Capenna, so that I can enjoy the setting and world for what it is and not have to worry about all the other extraneous stuff.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/planeswalkers-guide-streets-new-capenna-2022-04-28
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
-Irini Sengir
On the plane's actual demons:
That's pretty much it. Boy would it be nice to know what the demons actually did, where they went, or how they sacrificed themselves...
The blurb on "Whatever happened to the rest of the plane?" doesn't really answer the question in its own headline. Also, why do they dance around naming the Phyrexians in this article? It's not a secret that they were here in the past...
I really like the idea of New Capenna, but they did a pretty bad job at making it feel like there's an actual history or background to the setting. It's like a video game where the main locations are rendered OKish but peeking around the next-best corner reveals the low-poly models that make up the rest of the scenery.
it·s New Capenna Day
everybody got their capes Kayou wanna know what happened Ka
inhuman greed happened
i mean first of all
what does
"three fingers stitched to the forehead of an elf"
even mean Ka
a loooooong time ago
some editor-priests were like
uhhh you know we can tell that those aren·t aligned right
basically
when i arrived on the scene at NurseryTwo
these three paid actors kicked from happy-singing-standby-mode
to
"WHY IS THERE A NUN HERE AT THE HABIT GET IT OUT GET IT OUT"
which makes zero sense whatsoever
basically
Aysen Abbey was booby-trapped from the get-go
and i cleaned it out top-to-bottom
and then posted the walkthrough on GameFAQ is exactly what happened
i·ve got piles and piles of evidence by the way
whole tablets and phones full of notes , audio recordings , transcriptions , video , i·ve got backup SD cards , even the dream chip from NurseryOne
-Irini Sengir
Also, I promise you don't have to post like this to make us think you're cool. We're on a Magic the Gathering forum. Nobody here is cool. If this is your true genuine self, then I'm not gonna try to yuck your yum, but if it isn't, talking like a drop post on a conspiracy board isn't going to foster more communication. At best, you're going to get blocked by the people who don't want to try and parse your posts.
As for the Planeswalker's Guide: It is disappointing. It feels more like the set pitch than their usual world-building documents, and definitely seems like there's less to go around than Kamigawa. (Perhaps, ironically because it focused on five groups, rather than having them in the background, as in Neon Dynasty.) I'm wondering if this is a sign that fatigue is starting to get to the World Building team. Perhaps the reason we got two return sets on the same world, two new sets, and two return sets on the same world afterwards is to try and give them some sort of break, so they don't burn out trying to come up with four+ unique worlds, or variants of a familiar world a year. Since they switched to the One Set model in 2018, we've visited 12 worlds, which is, let's be frank, a lot.
It's not an excuse, because WotC has a *****-ton of money, and can in fact hire more people to make that work, but I also don't want to completely crap on the individuals involved for what is definitely hard work.
i·m a poet
"the source of the Cabaretti·s Halo" is me .
i·m not ******* with you ,
Izzet Division has been hacking my phone and illegally distributing my music for months now
and the goddamn ******* CIA no-i-am-not-*******-with-you caught them in the act of it
that·s the entire Cabaretti-Brokers plot arch
and the reason they aren·t posting the story on the cards
is necause they don·t want to have to go to court over it
-Irini Sengir