Something that I was interested in for a long time was whether or not it would be possible for Emrakul to corrupt a planeswalker or not, cause on Innistrad Jace was losing his mind so I am guessing that it is certainly possible, but what would happen after that? Would the planeswalker lose their spark because they became mindless, I don't think that that is the answer because the people of Innistrad while corrupted still retained a modicum of self awareness, or would they just turn into an insane being who is eldrazified and can plainswalk? I just sort of though of this recently and haven't seen anyone talking about it, so I just wanted to make this to see what other people though could happen in this situation.
Can they be corrupted? That's deceptive question. They are obviously afflicted with a similar madness but we never saw any of the corruption(mutations) on any planeswalker. Its possible that they can't be corrupted but can be driven mad.
What would happen if they became corrupted? Another difficult question. They might fuse with some random nearby creatures. They might transform into an abomination that doesn't resemble their previous form at all. Would they be able to planeswalk? This is 100% undeclarable. Due to a large number of unknowns it is "whatever they want" because we lack the nessecary rules fondation to say otherwise.
Spatial Contortion's flavour text seems to imply that planeswalkers are immune at least to some of the effects of Eldrazi. Whether that extends to the corrupting power of Emrakul (or whether the flavour text is even canon) is anyone's guess.
From a meta standpoint, I would assume planeswalkers are immune, similarly to how they are immune to phyresis, even though the reasons are different. Being immune to phyresis allows planeswalkers to interact with phyrexians without having to explain every time why this and that character survived unchanged and why Phyrexia doesn't simply just use these as infection vectors for other planes (like they used Karn). For eldrazi it's simpler: There's no point. Eldrazi can already move to other planes. Corrupting a planeswalker into an eldrazi adds nothing of value to the story.
Spatial Contortion's flavour text seems to imply that planeswalkers are immune at least to some of the effects of Eldrazi. Whether that extends to the corrupting power of Emrakul (or whether the flavour text is even canon) is anyone's guess.
From a meta standpoint, I would assume planeswalkers are immune, similarly to how they are immune to phyresis, even though the reasons are different. Being immune to phyresis allows planeswalkers to interact with phyrexians without having to explain every time why this and that character survived unchanged and why Phyrexia doesn't simply just use these as infection vectors for other planes (like they used Karn). For eldrazi it's simpler: There's no point. Eldrazi can already move to other planes. Corrupting a planeswalker into an eldrazi adds nothing of value to the story.
Neo walkers aren't immune to phyresis tho. Old walkers where since they didn't have a body that could transformed but its suggested neo walkers aren't as lucky. I even wanna say they said Melira gave Elspeth and her group her immunity as well as Tezzeret.
Tho similar to phyresis Emrakul corruption was said a few times said to effect peoples souls and any damage to a soul can harm the spark.
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The confrontation between Liliana and Emrakul strongly suggests planeswalkers can withstand the corruption. Literally everything alive around her was corrupted and she was basically on direct line of sight for Emrakul's power but she remained untainted.
On a psychic level, though, both Jace, Tamiyo and Nissa were affected.
Spatial Contortion's flavour text seems to imply that planeswalkers are immune at least to some of the effects of Eldrazi. Whether that extends to the corrupting power of Emrakul (or whether the flavour text is even canon) is anyone's guess.
From a meta standpoint, I would assume planeswalkers are immune, similarly to how they are immune to phyresis, even though the reasons are different. Being immune to phyresis allows planeswalkers to interact with phyrexians without having to explain every time why this and that character survived unchanged and why Phyrexia doesn't simply just use these as infection vectors for other planes (like they used Karn). For eldrazi it's simpler: There's no point. Eldrazi can already move to other planes. Corrupting a planeswalker into an eldrazi adds nothing of value to the story.
Neo walkers aren't immune to phyresis tho. Old walkers where since they didn't have a body that could transformed but its suggested neo walkers aren't as lucky. I even wanna say they said Melira gave Elspeth and her group her immunity as well as Tezzeret.
Tho similar to phyresis Emrakul corruption was said a few times said to effect peoples souls and any damage to a soul can harm the spark.
well... phyresis was kind of retconned with new phyrexia and didn't really exist in that form prior.
old walkers weren't so much immune to it because it just wasn't how anything was "compleated" at the time. back then it was a much more physical process. at the same time, in the novel planeswalker urza gets extremely sick from just setting foot in certain parts of phyrexia which is how he and xantcha end up on serra's realm. this too is described as more of a befouling of the plane introduced by black mana (which later destabilizes the plane as it was a plane created and subsisting only from white mana) than the compleation process as described on mirrodin. if i recall the phyrexian forces introduced to the plane arrived via portal technology as well. further, urza later builds the titan suits during invasion in order to protect the other walkers and himself from the pollutants on phyrexia. this was more to do with pollution and corrosive atmosphere in some spheres than the phyresis process later described on our second visit to mirrodin.
point is that walkers weren't immune to the process because it was a completely different process back then.
its also important to remember that back then more than a few people, and walkers, frequently traveled to the first sphere without any negative consequence. leshrac at one point was imprisoned there, and jarsyl documented quite a bit of the first sphere at one point even remarking on the oil raining from the sky.
during the thran we're not really given much in regard to the actual process, but we can probably assume the process is more surgical from the healing pods utilized by the hospital on phyrexia's first sphere and yawgmoth's general experiments into dissection.
newts, like xantcha and k'rrik, while produced by phyrexia in flesh vats also strove to be compleated too, having to incorporate real modifications rather than anything oil based transforming them. this was also a major point in planeswalker.
additionally rath, which was created in the aether by phyrexian technology, borrowed races from all over the multiverse. not one of those people were compleated in the manner we see on mirrodin despite phyrexian tech, including nano machines (flowstone) being literally everywhere on the plane. many other people also travel to this plane with no negative consequence.
on top of that; phyrexia did have limited portal tech. it was extremely resource heavy to use, and easily destabilized (referenced in planeswalker). they chased urza all over the multiverse, and explored in a limited capacity to acquire new tech and biomatter. this means that if phyrexian oil existed as it does today, with the same effects, there would be countless worlds (including dominaria and mercadia) that would be phyrexianized.
i'd wager they solve that hole eventually by saying the oil was mutated by exposure to something on mirrodin. the mirrari or karn's spark probably. giving us its current incarnation and explaining away why it didn't have those effects in the past.
as an aside: walkers weren't actually gods until they forgot how to write them, which was sometime after invasion block. prior to that point they were very killable and didn't even have unlimited power. dyfed is stabbed in the head and gets her brains scrambled. it takes all of serra's power to hold her realm together, and she eventually gets stabbed by a thief (though i think that was retconned recently too). urza is laid low by sickness, and repeatedly almost dies to things like negators, gix, k'rrik, and radiant. in the early days walkers die all the time to mundane things even.
regarding if they're immune to emrakul... well i think it would be really cool if they weren't but we weren't given a lot of information. i do think it was a missed opportunity to not have nahiri or even tamiyo be transformed by emrakul. perhaps in the future we'll get a walker that was residing on innistrad, or has been studying the moon, and has slowly been warped by emrakul despite her being trapped in the moon.
i'd wager they solve that hole eventually by saying the oil was mutated by exposure to something on mirrodin. the mirrari or karn's spark probably. giving us its current incarnation and explaining away why it didn't have those effects in the past.
It was explained that the glistening oil which corrupts and multiplies by itself was actually a secret weapon planned to be used in the late stage of the invasion against Dominaria. Yawgmoth never got to use it and somehow the oil ended up on Karn, which is why he was the only remaining vector for the phyrexian disease, apart from potential new portal technology the phyrexians develop.
i'd wager they solve that hole eventually by saying the oil was mutated by exposure to something on mirrodin. the mirrari or karn's spark probably. giving us its current incarnation and explaining away why it didn't have those effects in the past.
It was explained that the glistening oil which corrupts and multiplies by itself was actually a secret weapon planned to be used in the late stage of the invasion against Dominaria. Yawgmoth never got to use it and somehow the oil ended up on Karn, which is why he was the only remaining vector for the phyrexian disease, apart from potential new portal technology the phyrexians develop.
so it was indeed a *****ty retcon
though you could argue that was his plan all along. out play urza. corrupt his greatest creation as a means to finally win.
that said, i feel all the points still stand just fine as even if it was a secret weapon that was never fully implemented because... well it was never fully implemented. we also don't really know how effective it is on organic material that doesn't incorporate the inorganic. everything on mirrodin is suffused with inorganic parts, unlike natural planes.
though it does really point out poor writing in just what the **** was karn thinking. he has glacian and urza within him, saw everything the phyrexians did, and then decides to run off and make a mechanical paradise. while it didn't originally have organic life on it... well... seriously what the **** did he think would happen? anyway i've derailed the topic at hand
if emrakul were to actually corrupt a walker i see nahiri or tamiyo as the two most likely targets. nahiri because of her extended time on zendikar and single minded madness on exacting revenge on sorin, and tamiyo because of how obsessively she studies moons - which emrakul is now trapped within. while i didn't necessarily like the return to innistrad with the eldrazi plot, that could be an interesting twist in the future that still maintains the eldritch horror side of things with traditional horror elements. a corrupt walker trying to release emrakul from her prison.
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What would happen if they became corrupted? Another difficult question. They might fuse with some random nearby creatures. They might transform into an abomination that doesn't resemble their previous form at all. Would they be able to planeswalk? This is 100% undeclarable. Due to a large number of unknowns it is "whatever they want" because we lack the nessecary rules fondation to say otherwise.
From a meta standpoint, I would assume planeswalkers are immune, similarly to how they are immune to phyresis, even though the reasons are different. Being immune to phyresis allows planeswalkers to interact with phyrexians without having to explain every time why this and that character survived unchanged and why Phyrexia doesn't simply just use these as infection vectors for other planes (like they used Karn). For eldrazi it's simpler: There's no point. Eldrazi can already move to other planes. Corrupting a planeswalker into an eldrazi adds nothing of value to the story.
Neo walkers aren't immune to phyresis tho. Old walkers where since they didn't have a body that could transformed but its suggested neo walkers aren't as lucky. I even wanna say they said Melira gave Elspeth and her group her immunity as well as Tezzeret.
Tho similar to phyresis Emrakul corruption was said a few times said to effect peoples souls and any damage to a soul can harm the spark.
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On a psychic level, though, both Jace, Tamiyo and Nissa were affected.
well... phyresis was kind of retconned with new phyrexia and didn't really exist in that form prior.
old walkers weren't so much immune to it because it just wasn't how anything was "compleated" at the time. back then it was a much more physical process. at the same time, in the novel planeswalker urza gets extremely sick from just setting foot in certain parts of phyrexia which is how he and xantcha end up on serra's realm. this too is described as more of a befouling of the plane introduced by black mana (which later destabilizes the plane as it was a plane created and subsisting only from white mana) than the compleation process as described on mirrodin. if i recall the phyrexian forces introduced to the plane arrived via portal technology as well. further, urza later builds the titan suits during invasion in order to protect the other walkers and himself from the pollutants on phyrexia. this was more to do with pollution and corrosive atmosphere in some spheres than the phyresis process later described on our second visit to mirrodin.
point is that walkers weren't immune to the process because it was a completely different process back then.
its also important to remember that back then more than a few people, and walkers, frequently traveled to the first sphere without any negative consequence. leshrac at one point was imprisoned there, and jarsyl documented quite a bit of the first sphere at one point even remarking on the oil raining from the sky.
during the thran we're not really given much in regard to the actual process, but we can probably assume the process is more surgical from the healing pods utilized by the hospital on phyrexia's first sphere and yawgmoth's general experiments into dissection.
newts, like xantcha and k'rrik, while produced by phyrexia in flesh vats also strove to be compleated too, having to incorporate real modifications rather than anything oil based transforming them. this was also a major point in planeswalker.
additionally rath, which was created in the aether by phyrexian technology, borrowed races from all over the multiverse. not one of those people were compleated in the manner we see on mirrodin despite phyrexian tech, including nano machines (flowstone) being literally everywhere on the plane. many other people also travel to this plane with no negative consequence.
on top of that; phyrexia did have limited portal tech. it was extremely resource heavy to use, and easily destabilized (referenced in planeswalker). they chased urza all over the multiverse, and explored in a limited capacity to acquire new tech and biomatter. this means that if phyrexian oil existed as it does today, with the same effects, there would be countless worlds (including dominaria and mercadia) that would be phyrexianized.
i'd wager they solve that hole eventually by saying the oil was mutated by exposure to something on mirrodin. the mirrari or karn's spark probably. giving us its current incarnation and explaining away why it didn't have those effects in the past.
as an aside: walkers weren't actually gods until they forgot how to write them, which was sometime after invasion block. prior to that point they were very killable and didn't even have unlimited power. dyfed is stabbed in the head and gets her brains scrambled. it takes all of serra's power to hold her realm together, and she eventually gets stabbed by a thief (though i think that was retconned recently too). urza is laid low by sickness, and repeatedly almost dies to things like negators, gix, k'rrik, and radiant. in the early days walkers die all the time to mundane things even.
regarding if they're immune to emrakul... well i think it would be really cool if they weren't but we weren't given a lot of information. i do think it was a missed opportunity to not have nahiri or even tamiyo be transformed by emrakul. perhaps in the future we'll get a walker that was residing on innistrad, or has been studying the moon, and has slowly been warped by emrakul despite her being trapped in the moon.
It was explained that the glistening oil which corrupts and multiplies by itself was actually a secret weapon planned to be used in the late stage of the invasion against Dominaria. Yawgmoth never got to use it and somehow the oil ended up on Karn, which is why he was the only remaining vector for the phyrexian disease, apart from potential new portal technology the phyrexians develop.
so it was indeed a *****ty retcon
though you could argue that was his plan all along. out play urza. corrupt his greatest creation as a means to finally win.
that said, i feel all the points still stand just fine as even if it was a secret weapon that was never fully implemented because... well it was never fully implemented. we also don't really know how effective it is on organic material that doesn't incorporate the inorganic. everything on mirrodin is suffused with inorganic parts, unlike natural planes.
though it does really point out poor writing in just what the **** was karn thinking. he has glacian and urza within him, saw everything the phyrexians did, and then decides to run off and make a mechanical paradise. while it didn't originally have organic life on it... well... seriously what the **** did he think would happen? anyway i've derailed the topic at hand
if emrakul were to actually corrupt a walker i see nahiri or tamiyo as the two most likely targets. nahiri because of her extended time on zendikar and single minded madness on exacting revenge on sorin, and tamiyo because of how obsessively she studies moons - which emrakul is now trapped within. while i didn't necessarily like the return to innistrad with the eldrazi plot, that could be an interesting twist in the future that still maintains the eldritch horror side of things with traditional horror elements. a corrupt walker trying to release emrakul from her prison.