His soul does not get to Theros apparently (at least as far the card goes). What we see is him disintegrating under the power of a magical contract he never signed nor broke up with anyone, that would have normally just aged him until he reached his real age... And it's already super strange...
EDIT:Ah, wait I get what you mean. That's even worse...
According to the cards spoiled on mythicspoiler, Gideon dies and his soul goes to Theros, which shouldn't be possible because we were told that when you die your soul ends up on the plane where you've died. They are already setting him up for return lol
It is a kind of afterlife vision, not a return to Theros.
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DO NOT DISCUSS THE STORY LEAK. Infractions will be handed out. The leak is due to possible illegal activity and due to such we are not allowing it on the forums.
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Whereas - as a former veteran moderator myself - I can see you are just trying to do your job, exactly what kind of illegal activity is when a store, by accident, sells a novel before it shall be available?
How different it is from people opening and leaking cards they opened a week and a half before they are allowed to?
It's not like the guy stole it from the printing facility.
And you missed post #615...
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The leak is due to possible illegal activity and due to such we are not allowing it on the forums.
Aside from the fact that we have no real reason to suspect illegal activity (benefit of the doubt anyone) the cards we have seen in the Rumor Mill have already spoiled Gideon's fate, how Lily was spared despite going against Bolas, which side won etc. Are people not allowed to discuss those?
Ok, I have to say, there is something unsettling about how people have dealt with these spoilers for me (don't worry moderators, I won't spoil anything).
It started already with the (now banned) user who first leaked the book immediately pointing out that all of the plot points were "disappointing", the character handling "weak" etc. He didn't say in his own opinion or something like that, he stated it like obvious fact and something that should have been expected. Then other people started to blow into the same horn, as if THEY had seen much more than a couple of leaked plot points.
Let me make it clear, I have nothing against someone not liking the storyline. I personally enjoy it (for the most part (there is definitely some criticism that I'd throw against it as well though), but that's my opinion. I also know that a very loud part of this forum hate the whole Gatewatch arc to the core and that's fine as well. But I can't stand people attacking a story before it is even fully out yet in an (in my opinion) pretty blatant attempt to force everyone else to think about it like they do. Plot points pulled out of context are portrayed as proof for how awful the story is and are often interpreted in the most negative and disjointed ways possible to achieve the same effect. Nothing the story could do is satisfactory in the end and easy to explain "continuity errors" are blown up into gaping plot holes. Well I have to say, of course this strategy influences others to accentuate the negative of the story, especially as they HAVEN'T read the book either. The same goes for the time they finally read it (if they read it at all after this). It's even affecting me, even though I actually like the rough story outline. And I find it both disheartening and really irritating, because it feels very manipulative for me.
There, just wanted to get that out there for once. From all I've heard and seen the general story is satisfactory for me, makes reasonable sense and has enough interesting developments to keep me interested. I will withhold any further judgement until the book (and the prequel and sequel which people tend to forget) comes out.
The leak is due to possible illegal activity and due to such we are not allowing it on the forums.
Aside from the fact that we have no real reason to suspect illegal activity (benefit of the doubt anyone) the cards we have seen in the Rumor Mill have already spoiled Gideon's fate, how Lily was spared despite going against Bolas, which side won etc. Are people not allowed to discuss those?
Its basically a stopgap measure. Talking about Gideon's death could also lead into leaks about other subjects that are touched upon in the book.
I mean my issue is more we had a lot of characters and most of them did absolutely nothing of note. In particular three Gatewatchers seemed to have done very little. As did all the oldwalkers present besides Ugin and Lili (who I barely count).
Well, I thought it was an afterlife, but it could very well be just his memory. Just a vision that he saw in the moment of death. Like Jeska, who saw her brother.
Man did I pick a good couple of days to drop off the forums and build a fence. I have not (yet) encountered any spoilers other than the cards themselves (thanks Mods).
Magic has a notoriously bad history in terms of story, and frankly I never expected the WAR storyline to deviate from that drastically. I have been excited about the story but have intentionally kept my expectations low, that way whenever the plot looks good I am pleasantly surprised.
A little confused why Lily is using the Chain Veil on the Gem. It doesnt seem necessary unless some of the book spoilers are incorrect or not fully explained.
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Man did I pick a good couple of days to drop off the forums and build a fence. I have not (yet) encountered any spoilers other than the cards themselves (thanks Mods).
Magic has a notoriously bad history in terms of moder, post BFZ, story, and frankly I never expected the WAR storyline to deviate from that drastically. I have been excited about the story but have intentionally kept my expectations low, that way whenever the plot looks good I am pleasantly surprised.
So Maro said the Eternals kill when they despark someone. We have a 'Despark' card with two big Eternals apparently desparking 'someone,' but that someone appears later on a card in a different area.
Man did I pick a good couple of days to drop off the forums and build a fence. I have not (yet) encountered any spoilers other than the cards themselves (thanks Mods).
Magic has a notoriously bad history in terms of moder, post BFZ, story, and frankly I never expected the WAR storyline to deviate from that drastically. I have been excited about the story but have intentionally kept my expectations low, that way whenever the plot looks good I am pleasantly surprised.
Fixed that for ya
Nah. If this is bad you can very safely throw the other stories out too. I think it’s good, and definitely better than the super old stuff.
Man did I pick a good couple of days to drop off the forums and build a fence. I have not (yet) encountered any spoilers other than the cards themselves (thanks Mods).
Magic has a notoriously bad history in terms of moder, post BFZ, story, and frankly I never expected the WAR storyline to deviate from that drastically. I have been excited about the story but have intentionally kept my expectations low, that way whenever the plot looks good I am pleasantly surprised.
Fixed that for ya
Nah. If this is bad you can very safely throw the other stories out too. I think it’s good, and definitely better than the super old stuff.
You unironically think that the Gatewatch saga is better than the entirety of the Urza saga, from Thran until the very end?
Man did I pick a good couple of days to drop off the forums and build a fence. I have not (yet) encountered any spoilers other than the cards themselves (thanks Mods).
Magic has a notoriously bad history in terms of moder, post BFZ, story, and frankly I never expected the WAR storyline to deviate from that drastically. I have been excited about the story but have intentionally kept my expectations low, that way whenever the plot looks good I am pleasantly surprised.
Fixed that for ya
Nah. If this is bad you can very safely throw the other stories out too. I think it’s good, and definitely better than the super old stuff.
You unironically think that the Gatewatch saga is better than the entirety of the Urza saga, from Thran until the very end?
Nothing I've seen convinces me that the Urza saga in general is really good, and the reasons people usually use to support it don't remotely resonate with me. You're welcome to try your pitch, but I expect you'll try to appeal to aspects of story that I consider plain bad like the rest.
So Maro said the Eternals kill when they despark someone. We have a 'Despark' card with two big Eternals apparently desparking 'someone,' but that someone appears later on a card in a different area.
Did we ever get any cards that show Jace returning Vraska’s memory and her betraying Bolas? Or any cards of Niv-Mizzet doing something after being reborn?
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JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
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Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Man did I pick a good couple of days to drop off the forums and build a fence. I have not (yet) encountered any spoilers other than the cards themselves (thanks Mods).
Magic has a notoriously bad history in terms of moder, post BFZ, story, and frankly I never expected the WAR storyline to deviate from that drastically. I have been excited about the story but have intentionally kept my expectations low, that way whenever the plot looks good I am pleasantly surprised.
Fixed that for ya
Nah. If this is bad you can very safely throw the other stories out too. I think it’s good, and definitely better than the super old stuff.
You unironically think that the Gatewatch saga is better than the entirety of the Urza saga, from Thran until the very end?
Nothing I've seen convinces me that the Urza saga in general is really good, and the reasons people usually use to support it don't remotely resonate with me. You're welcome to try your pitch, but I expect you'll try to appeal to aspects of story that I consider plain bad like the rest.
Have you tried reading those books? It usually helps in forming a firm opinion.
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EDIT:Ah, wait I get what you mean. That's even worse...
It is a kind of afterlife vision, not a return to Theros.
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Whereas - as a former veteran moderator myself - I can see you are just trying to do your job, exactly what kind of illegal activity is when a store, by accident, sells a novel before it shall be available?
How different it is from people opening and leaking cards they opened a week and a half before they are allowed to?
It's not like the guy stole it from the printing facility.
And you missed post #615...
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Aside from the fact that we have no real reason to suspect illegal activity (benefit of the doubt anyone) the cards we have seen in the Rumor Mill have already spoiled Gideon's fate, how Lily was spared despite going against Bolas, which side won etc. Are people not allowed to discuss those?
It started already with the (now banned) user who first leaked the book immediately pointing out that all of the plot points were "disappointing", the character handling "weak" etc. He didn't say in his own opinion or something like that, he stated it like obvious fact and something that should have been expected. Then other people started to blow into the same horn, as if THEY had seen much more than a couple of leaked plot points.
Let me make it clear, I have nothing against someone not liking the storyline. I personally enjoy it (for the most part (there is definitely some criticism that I'd throw against it as well though), but that's my opinion. I also know that a very loud part of this forum hate the whole Gatewatch arc to the core and that's fine as well. But I can't stand people attacking a story before it is even fully out yet in an (in my opinion) pretty blatant attempt to force everyone else to think about it like they do. Plot points pulled out of context are portrayed as proof for how awful the story is and are often interpreted in the most negative and disjointed ways possible to achieve the same effect. Nothing the story could do is satisfactory in the end and easy to explain "continuity errors" are blown up into gaping plot holes. Well I have to say, of course this strategy influences others to accentuate the negative of the story, especially as they HAVEN'T read the book either. The same goes for the time they finally read it (if they read it at all after this). It's even affecting me, even though I actually like the rough story outline. And I find it both disheartening and really irritating, because it feels very manipulative for me.
There, just wanted to get that out there for once. From all I've heard and seen the general story is satisfactory for me, makes reasonable sense and has enough interesting developments to keep me interested. I will withhold any further judgement until the book (and the prequel and sequel which people tend to forget) comes out.
Is Liliana free of BOTH the pact and the veil now?
Will we ever learn who or what The Raven Man was?
Questions...
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It's a vision of afterlife, not something that is actually happening, I think.
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Magic has a notoriously bad history in terms of story, and frankly I never expected the WAR storyline to deviate from that drastically. I have been excited about the story but have intentionally kept my expectations low, that way whenever the plot looks good I am pleasantly surprised.
Fixed that for ya
I hope this is cleared up at some point.
Nah. If this is bad you can very safely throw the other stories out too. I think it’s good, and definitely better than the super old stuff.
You unironically think that the Gatewatch saga is better than the entirety of the Urza saga, from Thran until the very end?
Nothing I've seen convinces me that the Urza saga in general is really good, and the reasons people usually use to support it don't remotely resonate with me. You're welcome to try your pitch, but I expect you'll try to appeal to aspects of story that I consider plain bad like the rest.
Despark
Did we ever get any cards that show Jace returning Vraska’s memory and her betraying Bolas? Or any cards of Niv-Mizzet doing something after being reborn?
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Have you tried reading those books? It usually helps in forming a firm opinion.