Based on the fact that he's out for other planeswalkers and remains loyal it seems that Dovin for some reason believes it is beneficial for Bolas to win, probably along the lines of "at least its just ONE person screwing around the multiverse".
They keep killing minor characters.
Nobody knows anything about Dack unless they read an obscure comic.
He's only ever been one card that wasn't even Standard-legal, so players have no connection to him.
I keep saying characters need to die, but the assumption I'm making when I say that is that everyone knows I mean "CHARACTERS WHO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED"
Kill Jace, Liliana or Chandra. They're the most popular ones. AT LEAST kill the villain. At least add some goddamn finality to this story. This was all pointless.
We lost good stories for this Gatewatch ***** that ends this way. BFZ was a mistake. Killing the Eldrazi was a mistake.
Even though we know how it ends, I still want to read the book to see what happens in between.
And as I was making dinner, I was thinking about how this particular arc reminds me of TSR's Dragonlance series written by Margaret Weisman and Tracy Hickman (Autumn Twilight, Winter Night, Spring Dawning, Summer Flame), particularly Summer Flame. Anyone else get something like that?
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They keep killing minor characters.
Nobody knows anything about Dack unless they read an obscure comic.
He's only ever been one card that wasn't even Standard-legal, so players have no connection to him.
I keep saying characters need to die, but the assumption I'm making when I say that is that everyone knows I mean "CHARACTERS WHO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED"
Kill Jace, Liliana or Chandra. They're the most popular ones. AT LEAST kill the villain. At least add some goddamn finality to this story. This was all pointless.
We lost good stories for this Gatewatch ***** that ends this way. BFZ was a mistake. Killing the Eldrazi was a mistake.
Does Dack die ? From the spoilers it appears as the walkers who get their spark stolen by externals don’t necessarily die right away
They keep killing minor characters.
Nobody knows anything about Dack unless they read an obscure comic.
He's only ever been one card that wasn't even Standard-legal, so players have no connection to him.
I keep saying characters need to die, but the assumption I'm making when I say that is that everyone knows I mean "CHARACTERS WHO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED"
Kill Jace, Liliana or Chandra. They're the most popular ones. AT LEAST kill the villain. At least add some goddamn finality to this story. This was all pointless.
We lost good stories for this Gatewatch ***** that ends this way. BFZ was a mistake. Killing the Eldrazi was a mistake.
Does Dack die ? From the spoilers it appears as the walkers who get their spark stolen by externals don’t necessarily die right away
I'm curious, do they ever explain how the Interplanar Beacon works? Is it just a lure, or does it forcibly drag planeswalkers to Ravnica? That part was never really clear. If it's just a call for help, why would selfish or cowardly planeswalkers like Ob Nixilis and Davriel respond to it? And if it's some kind of spell that forces planeswalkers to go to Ravnica, why are some still missing?
Also, it was confirmed that there would be some planeswalkers who didn't have cards but still appeared in the story, are there any others? I'd love to see Daretti again.
Oh, and what happens with the Raze Boar and the whole Gruul apocalypse myth?
Honestly, while a fun read no doubt, I think a lot of people will be majorly disappointed by this book's lack of depth and the way characters are handled.
One thing I don't remember: was it previously known Ral is gay or is this something Wizards decided to come up with just now?
Can I get a little more info on Ral's sexuality ? I love him so much and getting some much needed backstory on this would be nice. btw thanks for all of this news, and appropriate spoiler tags.
Something I still don't know: was Ral Zarek previously out as being gay or not?
Also it is implied that Kaya has had a girlfriend in the past.
I think it was hinted somewhere before, but I can't really find the quote. I mean, it shouldn't be much of an issue either way. He was definitely never stated to be straight, so it doesn't contradict anything. And I know some people don't like it, but for me as a gay man it feels good to have a bit more representation (I was really happy when we got the Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis card for example). And I also like that its Ral, a flawed individual who isn't a villain though. Color me intrigued. Same goes for Kaya, liked her very much in her original story (and her helping Teysa in overthrowing the Obzedat, even if that was ultimately orchestrated by Bolas, was also great).
I will withhold my judgement of the book until I read it myself (as well as the prequel and the sequel, which may very well fill in what seems to be left out now). My ideas of what is good and what I want to see might differ from yours after all. The broad strokes of the story for example sound much more appealing and interesting to me than you make them out to be.
I agree with you that Bolas creating the Blackblade legend is hilarious and kind of genius. I also like the ending. As I said before, Bolas loses out of logical reasons: He can't think beyond his own egotism (meaning he couldn't foresee that Lilliana would willingly sacrifice her life in a hopeless attempt to defeat him), he is too occupied with gaining power, loses sight of the "smaller" issues and is ultimately foiled by his own devices. A fitting end. Obviously not all walkers in this story could have a role, and I actually expected most of them to be cameos. The only one I'm a bit unhappy about is Tamiyo, seems that her losing her neutrality should be a bigger deal. I really wonder about the Vraska thing though. It was after all the whole focus of Ixalan. Oh well, I'll see when I read the book myself.
EDIT: Also great that at least a small part of the story will play on Amonkhet itself, and that Hazoreth has a cameo in it as well by providing her spear as a weapon against Bolas that actually works. Sad about Gideon dying though. I'd hoped that wouldn't happen before Return to Theros, but alas...
Something I still don't know: was Ral Zarek previously out as being gay or not?
Also it is implied that Kaya has had a girlfriend in the past.
I think it was hinted somewhere before, but I can't really find the quote. I mean, it shouldn't be much of an issue either way. He was definitely never stated to be straight, so it doesn't contradict anything. And I know some people don't like it, but for me as a gay man it feels good to have a bit more representation (I was really happy when we got the Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis card for example). And I also like that its Ral, a flawed individual who isn't a villain though. Color me intrigued. Same goes for Kaya, liked her very much in her original story (and her helping Teysa in overthrowing the Obzedat, even if that was ultimately orchestrated by Bolas, was also great).
I will withhold my judgement of the book until I read it myself (as well as the prequel and the sequel, which may very well fill in what seems to be left out now). My ideas of what is good and what I want to see might differ from yours after all. The broad strokes of the story for example sound much more appealing and interesting to me than you make them out to be.
Agreed, I'm also gay and the fact that not only is it one of my fave walkers but also the one that represents (and will likely still lead after Niv mizzets transformation) arguably the most popular guild is astonishing to me and it makes me oh so happy to see. I love it, but I am wondering how this was handled in the story. Do we see he has a partner ? If so is that who the white cloth Viceroy Ral is holding from ? (cause real talk that's been driving me nuts for ages, especially since it showed up again on Contingency plan).
They keep killing minor characters.
Nobody knows anything about Dack unless they read an obscure comic.
He's only ever been one card that wasn't even Standard-legal, so players have no connection to him.
I keep saying characters need to die, but the assumption I'm making when I say that is that everyone knows I mean "CHARACTERS WHO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED"
Kill Jace, Liliana or Chandra. They're the most popular ones. AT LEAST kill the villain. At least add some goddamn finality to this story. This was all pointless.
We lost good stories for this Gatewatch ***** that ends this way. BFZ was a mistake. Killing the Eldrazi was a mistake.
Does Dack die ? From the spoilers it appears as the walkers who get their spark stolen by externals don’t necessarily die right away
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Now I'm left with bits and pieces that I can kinda-sorta puzzle out, and things that I want to discuss (specifically a characteristic of a certain guildmage) that I don't know if I can even though they're not actually relevant to plot the Book itself.
Something I still don't know: was Ral Zarek previously out as being gay or not?
Also it is implied that Kaya has had a girlfriend in the past.
I think it was hinted somewhere before, but I can't really find the quote. I mean, it shouldn't be much of an issue either way. He was definitely never stated to be straight, so it doesn't contradict anything. And I know some people don't like it, but for me as a gay man it feels good to have a bit more representation (I was really happy when we got the Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis card for example). And I also like that its Ral, a flawed individual who isn't a villain though. Color me intrigued. Same goes for Kaya, liked her very much in her original story (and her helping Teysa in overthrowing the Obzedat, even if that was ultimately orchestrated by Bolas, was also great).
I will withhold my judgement of the book until I read it myself (as well as the prequel and the sequel, which may very well fill in what seems to be left out now). My ideas of what is good and what I want to see might differ from yours after all. The broad strokes of the story for example sound much more appealing and interesting to me than you make them out to be.
Agreed, I'm also gay and the fact that not only is it one of my fave walkers but also the one that represents (and will likely still lead after Niv mizzets transformation) arguably the most popular guild is astonishing to me and it makes me oh so happy to see. I love it, but I am wondering how this was handled in the story. Do we see he has a partner ? If so is that who the white cloth Viceroy Ral is holding from ? (cause real talk that's been driving me nuts for ages, especially since it showed up again on Contingency plan).
At the risk of getting an infraction (though I don't think I would if these posts didn't get deleted before now) I think there was some indication in Project Lightning Bug:
Ral frowned. "It should have happened by now." The clouds above were silent—no telltale pop of thunder, no indication of a planeswalk. "It's a Planeswalker I've been tracking. One that the others in Project Lightning Bug haven't discovered yet. He usually appears here every evening."
"Every evening?"
"Like clockwork. He arrives, does some visiting around the city, and planeswalks away again before morning."
"Who is he?"
"I don't know. Human. Tall. Broad. Striking eyes. Seems to have some contacts among the Boros. I haven't had a chance to get in contact with him."
Ral was of course talking about Gideon... I took it as an indication (cause why bother bringing up his eyes?), but I figured without any confirmation I could have simply been reading into it.
I don’t really get this policy given how leaked cards are treated, but okay.
I kind of get it. I mean, with regards to card spoilers, yes you want to know what's going on in the story, but knowing that doesn't (generally) stop you from buying the cards, which you need to do to play with them. The story of a card game is secondary to the game itself.
Literally the purpose of a book is to convey the story. If the story gets leaked, well now you have less reason to actually go out and purchase the book.
Leaks don't financially hurt a card game in the same way that they might hurt a book.
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Nobody knows anything about Dack unless they read an obscure comic.
He's only ever been one card that wasn't even Standard-legal, so players have no connection to him.
I keep saying characters need to die, but the assumption I'm making when I say that is that everyone knows I mean "CHARACTERS WHO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED"
Kill Jace, Liliana or Chandra. They're the most popular ones. AT LEAST kill the villain. At least add some goddamn finality to this story. This was all pointless.
We lost good stories for this Gatewatch ***** that ends this way. BFZ was a mistake. Killing the Eldrazi was a mistake.
And as I was making dinner, I was thinking about how this particular arc reminds me of TSR's Dragonlance series written by Margaret Weisman and Tracy Hickman (Autumn Twilight, Winter Night, Spring Dawning, Summer Flame), particularly Summer Flame. Anyone else get something like that?
Buster
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Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Does Dack die ? From the spoilers it appears as the walkers who get their spark stolen by externals don’t necessarily die right away
Just watch the trailer
I'm curious, do they ever explain how the Interplanar Beacon works? Is it just a lure, or does it forcibly drag planeswalkers to Ravnica? That part was never really clear. If it's just a call for help, why would selfish or cowardly planeswalkers like Ob Nixilis and Davriel respond to it? And if it's some kind of spell that forces planeswalkers to go to Ravnica, why are some still missing?
Also, it was confirmed that there would be some planeswalkers who didn't have cards but still appeared in the story, are there any others? I'd love to see Daretti again.
Oh, and what happens with the Raze Boar and the whole Gruul apocalypse myth?
'buster
HR Analyst. Gamer. Activist | Fearless, and forthright | Aggro-control is a mindset.
Elspeth and Jhoira rock my world.
Can I get a little more info on Ral's sexuality ? I love him so much and getting some much needed backstory on this would be nice. btw thanks for all of this news, and appropriate spoiler tags.
I think it was hinted somewhere before, but I can't really find the quote. I mean, it shouldn't be much of an issue either way. He was definitely never stated to be straight, so it doesn't contradict anything. And I know some people don't like it, but for me as a gay man it feels good to have a bit more representation (I was really happy when we got the Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis card for example). And I also like that its Ral, a flawed individual who isn't a villain though. Color me intrigued. Same goes for Kaya, liked her very much in her original story (and her helping Teysa in overthrowing the Obzedat, even if that was ultimately orchestrated by Bolas, was also great).
I will withhold my judgement of the book until I read it myself (as well as the prequel and the sequel, which may very well fill in what seems to be left out now). My ideas of what is good and what I want to see might differ from yours after all. The broad strokes of the story for example sound much more appealing and interesting to me than you make them out to be.
EDIT: Also great that at least a small part of the story will play on Amonkhet itself, and that Hazoreth has a cameo in it as well by providing her spear as a weapon against Bolas that actually works. Sad about Gideon dying though. I'd hoped that wouldn't happen before Return to Theros, but alas...
Agreed, I'm also gay and the fact that not only is it one of my fave walkers but also the one that represents (and will likely still lead after Niv mizzets transformation) arguably the most popular guild is astonishing to me and it makes me oh so happy to see. I love it, but I am wondering how this was handled in the story. Do we see he has a partner ? If so is that who the white cloth Viceroy Ral is holding from ? (cause real talk that's been driving me nuts for ages, especially since it showed up again on Contingency plan).
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I find it interesting that you concluded that instead of considering the possibility that he was saying too much.
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Now I'm left with bits and pieces that I can kinda-sorta puzzle out, and things that I want to discuss (specifically a characteristic of a certain guildmage) that I don't know if I can even though they're not actually relevant to plot the Book itself.
At the risk of getting an infraction (though I don't think I would if these posts didn't get deleted before now) I think there was some indication in Project Lightning Bug:
Ral was of course talking about Gideon... I took it as an indication (cause why bother bringing up his eyes?), but I figured without any confirmation I could have simply been reading into it.
I kind of get it. I mean, with regards to card spoilers, yes you want to know what's going on in the story, but knowing that doesn't (generally) stop you from buying the cards, which you need to do to play with them. The story of a card game is secondary to the game itself.
Literally the purpose of a book is to convey the story. If the story gets leaked, well now you have less reason to actually go out and purchase the book.
Leaks don't financially hurt a card game in the same way that they might hurt a book.