Is there anything about the angel with 4 wings topic? In the original Ravnica it was stated that the angels are all clones of Razia, which means they would also have 4 wings. When Return to Ravnica came around they suddenly had 2 wings, like Aurelia. Is it stated anywhere if this is a new flock and the Razia clones "died out", which also wouldn’t work, because we saw one in the Boros story we got.
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Is there anything about the angel with 4 wings topic? In the original Ravnica it was stated that the angels are all clones of Razia, which means they would also have 4 wings. When Return to Ravnica came around they suddenly had 2 wings, like Aurelia. Is it stated anywhere if this is a new flock and the Razia clones "died out", which also wouldn’t work, because we saw one in the Boros story we got.
Edit: fixed the names, thanks Maritrakul
Nope I'm sorry.
Already thought so, sad to see, but thank you
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Does the art book describe anything about Ravnica's long-distant past?
I ask because two recently spoiled cards, one with Bolas flavor text, seem to indicate that Ravnica's past, and possibly ruins below the ground (similar to ancient catacombs in the Selesnya/Orzhov story last year), are secretly important.
I don't know if anyone else knows anything about that, either.
Does the art book describe anything about Ravnica's long-distant past?
I ask because two recently spoiled cards, one with Bolas flavor text, seem to indicate that Ravnica's past, and possibly ruins below the ground (similar to ancient catacombs in the Selesnya/Orzhov story last year), are secretly important.
I don't know if anyone else knows anything about that, either.
No, again the art book is very focused on the present and doesn't go much into the history of Ravnica.
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Does anyone really want to let WOTC deal with the past? I mean after seeing what they did with Bolas and the Elder Dragons during Core, I am going to say its good thing WOTC didn't deal with the past in this Art Book.
Speak for yourself--Core 2019 was my favorite MTG story since 2005. I love what they did with the Elder Dragons, just as I loved what earlier story teams did with The Brother:s War and The Thran. As far as I'm concerned, their track record as far as prequels go is pretty solid.
"Made in the image of" and "Are clones of" are not the same. Unless there's something in the older stuff that specifically said the angels are clones of Razia then they don't have to look exactly like her.
Autumn, i seriously don't understand why you're here. If you don't like anything then just stop reading it. Stop involving yourself. It boggles the mind that you continue to engage with this stuff that you think is so bad
Autumn, i seriously don't understand why you're here. If you don't like anything then just stop reading it. Stop involving yourself. It boggles the mind that you continue to engage with this stuff that you think is so bad
This is the Magic Storyline forum, not the Magic Storyline Appreciation forum.
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On the topic of Ravnica's unknown history (which I know isn't covered in the book, but this thread is effectively the current train for the Ravnica storyline/plane discussion):
My current headcanon is the "Forgotten Gods" are simply the Nephilim and in an even further stretch, the Nephilim are simply evolved surviving Eldrazi Spawns/Scions after the Titans were done rebooting the plane that would become Ravnica. Sure, it's stated the Spawns/Scions die without their parent Titan's presence, but Eldrazi research isn't exactly the most documented of facts. We all know the Nephilim weren't exactly powerhouses compared to the actual powerhouses of Ravnica, which might fall in line since Spawns/Scions were relatively weak and if Eldrazi could really evolve, that process would take eons, so the Nephilim could just be a "teen" equivalent at best (or even just children).
Or it's just me thinking it's an awesome idea to leave little lore "clues" to imply all natural planes of existence have "remnants" of Eldrazi meddling with them eons ago, all to imply their purpose in the larger multiplanar ecosystem, but never to again bring that to the forefront, because we all can clearly attest that the Eldrazi become outright terrible "characters" (or "plot devices to be used by oldwalkers" if current record is any indicator) when they are brought to the forefront.
Autumn, i seriously don't understand why you're here. If you don't like anything then just stop reading it. Stop involving yourself. It boggles the mind that you continue to engage with this stuff that you think is so bad
This is the Magic Storyline forum, not the Magic Storyline Appreciation forum.
“There are no weak Jews. I am descended from those who wrestle angels and kill giants. We were chosen by God. You were chosen by a pathetic little man who can't seem to grow a full mustache"
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
On the topic of Ravnica's unknown history (which I know isn't covered in the book, but this thread is effectively the current train for the Ravnica storyline/plane discussion):
My current headcanon is the "Forgotten Gods" are simply the Nephilim and in an even further stretch, the Nephilim are simply evolved surviving Eldrazi Spawns/Scions after the Titans were done rebooting the plane that would become Ravnica. Sure, it's stated the Spawns/Scions die without their parent Titan's presence, but Eldrazi research isn't exactly the most documented of facts. We all know the Nephilim weren't exactly powerhouses compared to the actual powerhouses of Ravnica, which might fall in line since Spawns/Scions were relatively weak and if Eldrazi could really evolve, that process would take eons, so the Nephilim could just be a "teen" equivalent at best (or even just children).
Or it's just me thinking it's an awesome idea to leave little lore "clues" to imply all natural planes of existence have "remnants" of Eldrazi meddling with them eons ago, all to imply their purpose in the larger multiplanar ecosystem, but never to again bring that to the forefront, because we all can clearly attest that the Eldrazi become outright terrible "characters" (or "plot devices to be used by oldwalkers" if current record is any indicator) when they are brought to the forefront.
I think it's a good theory. I like it. But we are also a bit fixed on Gods and Eldrazi nowadays, aren't we? Remember that in the past days "Gods" were just mad men powerful enough to bind and bend the earth behind their feet to their will. They could have been Eldrazi, yes and the Nephilims might be what remains of them... (I like the parallelism between judaic Nephilim being half angel half humans and here being half Eldrazi half Ravnicans).
But they could have been a work of Planeswalkers. The Old time foolish planeswalking mad men. Nephilims might as well be their creation.
Or, even better, just some dumb creature naturally occuring, but extremely mightier than anything else. In the same fashion we might as well revere dinosaurs as gods.
But I am more than dubious about their return. It's supposed to be hinted that there might be more of them sleeping in cages somewhere inside Ravnica, but the cards referencing them maybe are just an insight on the Plane, pleasing old lore fans and completing a rich mosaic of info about Ravnican society. Nothing that foresees an advent in the latter sets I mean.
I might be mistaking in this, but I read on Twitter that on 23/1 magic story starts.
So does the art book not have any art from the 3rd set?
Nope, which makes me wonder if we won't be getting an art book this July. I doubt Bolas invading Ravnica is world changing for its own world building book.
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Nope I'm sorry.
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Already thought so, sad to see, but thank you
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I ask because two recently spoiled cards, one with Bolas flavor text, seem to indicate that Ravnica's past, and possibly ruins below the ground (similar to ancient catacombs in the Selesnya/Orzhov story last year), are secretly important.
I don't know if anyone else knows anything about that, either.
No, again the art book is very focused on the present and doesn't go much into the history of Ravnica.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Autumn, i seriously don't understand why you're here. If you don't like anything then just stop reading it. Stop involving yourself. It boggles the mind that you continue to engage with this stuff that you think is so bad
This is the Magic Storyline forum, not the Magic Storyline Appreciation forum.
-- The Gatewatch
My current headcanon is the "Forgotten Gods" are simply the Nephilim and in an even further stretch, the Nephilim are simply evolved surviving Eldrazi Spawns/Scions after the Titans were done rebooting the plane that would become Ravnica. Sure, it's stated the Spawns/Scions die without their parent Titan's presence, but Eldrazi research isn't exactly the most documented of facts. We all know the Nephilim weren't exactly powerhouses compared to the actual powerhouses of Ravnica, which might fall in line since Spawns/Scions were relatively weak and if Eldrazi could really evolve, that process would take eons, so the Nephilim could just be a "teen" equivalent at best (or even just children).
Or it's just me thinking it's an awesome idea to leave little lore "clues" to imply all natural planes of existence have "remnants" of Eldrazi meddling with them eons ago, all to imply their purpose in the larger multiplanar ecosystem, but never to again bring that to the forefront, because we all can clearly attest that the Eldrazi become outright terrible "characters" (or "plot devices to be used by oldwalkers" if current record is any indicator) when they are brought to the forefront.
Yes but this a thread for the art book, the thread for critiquing about the storyline/storytelling is here;
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-storyline/638944-storytelling-critique-thread
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I think it's a good theory. I like it. But we are also a bit fixed on Gods and Eldrazi nowadays, aren't we? Remember that in the past days "Gods" were just mad men powerful enough to bind and bend the earth behind their feet to their will. They could have been Eldrazi, yes and the Nephilims might be what remains of them... (I like the parallelism between judaic Nephilim being half angel half humans and here being half Eldrazi half Ravnicans).
But they could have been a work of Planeswalkers. The Old time foolish planeswalking mad men. Nephilims might as well be their creation.
Or, even better, just some dumb creature naturally occuring, but extremely mightier than anything else. In the same fashion we might as well revere dinosaurs as gods.
But I am more than dubious about their return. It's supposed to be hinted that there might be more of them sleeping in cages somewhere inside Ravnica, but the cards referencing them maybe are just an insight on the Plane, pleasing old lore fans and completing a rich mosaic of info about Ravnican society. Nothing that foresees an advent in the latter sets I mean.
I might be mistaking in this, but I read on Twitter that on 23/1 magic story starts.
Nope, which makes me wonder if we won't be getting an art book this July. I doubt Bolas invading Ravnica is world changing for its own world building book.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"