What? You should keep fan-theories out of this area.
It isn't a fan theory. It is pretty blatantly stated in the story. Narset died, Zurgo gains strength when those he fights are killed. He fought Narset, killed her, gained her strength and special destiny as a planeswalker. Zurgo now has the spark, and simply needs to have it ignited.
What? You should keep fan-theories out of this area.
It isn't a fan theory. It is pretty blatantly stated in the story. Narset died, Zurgo gains strength when those he fights are killed. He fought Narset, killed her, gained her strength and special destiny as a planeswalker. Zurgo now has the spark, and simply needs to have it ignited.
To rehash something stated earlier in the thread, game powers=/=story powers. Not to mention that Narset hasn't died when Sarkhan time travels, she's mortally wounded. For all we know, when Sarkhan turned around her spark ignited. Zurgo doesn't have a vampiric ability on sparks, either. I'd wager his ability to gain counters is more a result of a form of gaining experience through combat to make him better. Your fan theory is just....why?
To rehash something stated earlier in the thread, game powers=/=story powers. Not to mention that Narset hasn't died when Sarkhan time travels, she's mortally wounded. For all we know, when Sarkhan turned around her spark ignited. Zurgo doesn't have a vampiric ability on sparks, either. I'd wager his ability to gain counters is more a result of a form of gaining experience through combat to make him better. Your fan theory is just....why?
You'd be right...if we were talking about cards from the older sets, before the color pie was set and the cards where all over the place, in terms of mechanically. Creative has since been careful to ensure that their story services the abilities on the cards. You don't get up and walk away from a wound that is described as mortal. Read this. Read it very carefully. Specifically, the last ability. It is in line with the vampires' buff mechanic. Zurgo clearly has the ability, and has only demonstrated it once--in this UR after killed Narset. Zurgo has stolen her spark and made a fool of the phyrexian from the first Mirrodin block that was trying to harvest a spark from the plane's population.
Your reading my post, and the story and the cards, is more in question at this point than the facts laid out in my post, and backed up across the board of official sources: cards and the proper uncharted realms articles.
Do you have anything of worth to contribute, Flisch? Maybe some thoughts on how Zurgo's being a planeswalker is not at all good for a certain elder dragon planeswalker? There's humor in having the old worm deposed by someone like Zurgo. I hope Creative capitalizes on it. Anywho, how do you think Sarkhan altering the past will affect Zurgo's spark and Narset's death? Will it be prevented and the damage revered?
Do you have anything of worth to contribute, Flisch?
The irony is, I could ask you the same.
You repeatedly claim that Zurgo stole the spark from Narset, even though it has never been stated or even hinted at. (No, his card abilities are not hints in any way.) Your argument has literally no substance at all and yet you keep treating it as confirmed fact.
Also, there's a gaping hole in your "theory": Narset does not come with a +1/+1 counter, so how can she be a planeswalker.
Makes scathing remarks about reading comprehension, refers to Memnarch as a Phyrexian.
Something is wrong about that picture.
A really simple reminder of the separation between lore and mechanics, however, is that Dreadbore doesn't kill players. Mechanics are not directly representative of lore, lore is not directly representative of mechanics. Eldrazi are another good example - if lore suited mechanics, the Eldrazi threat would have been completely flattened and taken care of in no time while if mechanics suited lore, the Eldrazi would be the most broken cards ever printed and everyone might as well pack up and stop playing. Neither of those things is the case. The two often inform one another, but they are far from rigidly linked and are certainly not equivalent enough to support speculation with any reasonable force.
Makes scathing remarks about reading comprehension, refers to Memnarch as a Phyrexian.
Something is wrong about that picture.
A really simple reminder of the separation between lore and mechanics, however, is that Dreadbore doesn't kill players. Mechanics are not directly representative of lore, lore is not directly representative of mechanics. Eldrazi are another good example - if lore suited mechanics, the Eldrazi threat would have been completely flattened and taken care of in no time while if mechanics suited lore, the Eldrazi would be the most broken cards ever printed and everyone might as well pack up and stop playing. Neither of those things is the case. The two often inform one another, but they are far from rigidly linked and are certainly not equivalent enough to support speculation with any reasonable force.
Your Eldrazi example falls apart when you consider the metagame. They are fairly hard to touch in game. It's very long odds, beating them. That reflects in the storyline, in which they could only be sealed by the actions of three planeswalkers joining together. As players, we are the manipulators and schemers, the planeswalkers fighting for us are lending their services, or are our puppets. Since they're not at their best while serving us, it makes sense that a Dreadbore would send them packing. Of course, if any of us had a Rakdos-shaped hole in our chests, we'd likely bite the dust just as quickly as our creatures or planeswalker allies.
Oh, Memmnarch is a phyrexian. McDermott said as much back in the days of yore. So, again...Flisch, since you're informed about the storyline, I assumed you'd know that a spark has to ignite before one becomes a planeswalker, yes? I would also guess that you can look at clues and foreshadowing, again in the cards and articles, to figure out that Zurgo now as the unignited spark.
Zurgo striking down Narset (her having been said to have some sort of special destiny involving planeswalking), and him actually gaining strength from those whom he battles, and who die after the battle. Again, see the orc himself, the last ability. In taking strength from the fallen, mortally wounded Narset, Zurgo has inadvertently taken her uningnited spark. Now all that remains is for Zurgo to experience whatever it is that will ignite his planeswalking spark. If the new Dragonclaw is anything to go by, Zurgo will be a mono red planeswalker, possibly a dual colored BR planeswalker. That part is speculation on my part (guessing his color with Maro having said there's no wedge theme continuing onward).
To rehash something stated earlier in the thread, game powers=/=story powers. Not to mention that Narset hasn't died when Sarkhan time travels, she's mortally wounded. For all we know, when Sarkhan turned around her spark ignited. Zurgo doesn't have a vampiric ability on sparks, either. I'd wager his ability to gain counters is more a result of a form of gaining experience through combat to make him better. Your fan theory is just....why?
You'd be right...if we were talking about cards from the older sets, before the color pie was set and the cards where all over the place, in terms of mechanically. Creative has since been careful to ensure that their story services the abilities on the cards. You don't get up and walk away from a wound that is described as mortal. Read this. Read it very carefully. Specifically, the last ability. It is in line with the vampires' buff mechanic. Zurgo clearly has the ability, and has only demonstrated it once--in this UR after killed Narset. Zurgo has stolen her spark and made a fool of the phyrexian from the first Mirrodin block that was trying to harvest a spark from the plane's population.
Your reading my post, and the story and the cards, is more in question at this point than the facts laid out in my post, and backed up across the board of official sources: cards and the proper uncharted realms articles.
There...there's NO FACTS AT ALL. Your entire argument is based on a FAN THEORY. Narset was never confirmed to be a planeswalker in the first place. The only way your argument could even make a shred of sense is if she had just beforehand ignited the spark, THEN died. Zurgo can't steal something that might not have even been there.
The other problem? You're still mixing lore with mechanics. Zurgo has the ability to become stronger through combat. He is NOT a vampire, and he most certainly cannot steal sparks. He's a planebound orc of Tarkir. If your argument was correct, then why didn't Sarkhan just fly as a dragon all the way to Ugin? Why hasn't Garruk killed at least half of the planeswalker base? How come Xenagod kill Elspeth without any issues, seeing as he is indestructible to get past her wrath effect and has more than enough power to defeat her? Zurgo can't steal a spark, and the fact that you keep insisting on it as fact when it's nothing more than baseless speculation is ridiculous.
There...there's NO FACTS AT ALL. Your entire argument is based on a FAN THEORY. Narset was never confirmed to be a planeswalker in the first place. The only way your argument could even make a shred of sense is if she had just beforehand ignited the spark, THEN died. Zurgo can't steal something that might not have even been there.
The other problem? You're still mixing lore with mechanics. Zurgo has the ability to become stronger through combat. He is NOT a vampire, and he most certainly cannot steal sparks. He's a planebound orc of Tarkir. If your argument was correct, then why didn't Sarkhan just fly as a dragon all the way to Ugin? Why hasn't Garruk killed at least half of the planeswalker base? How come Xenagod kill Elspeth without any issues, seeing as he is indestructible to get past her wrath effect and has more than enough power to defeat her? Zurgo can't steal a spark, and the fact that you keep insisting on it as fact when it's nothing more than baseless speculation is ridiculous.
I said vampiric...not that he is vampire. Again, please read my posts before responding. My statement is factual, supported by the facts in the lore and the card. Since I'm not privy to Sarkhan or Garruk's private thoughts, I couldn't begin to tell you what's going on in their minds. You say Xenagos, God of Revels killed Elspeth? Well, that does make sense since he's indestructible and she isn't (I never read Theros, so I'm going strictly by your information). Zurgo gains strength, power, a buff, call it what you like, from those he defeats in combat. He defeated Narset (mortal wounds and all), gained strength from the victory and in the process took her spark. It's right there on the card and lore for you to see, though it seems you don't care to (or just like debating me, whichever is fine with me and more power to you :D)
Flisch, please don't make me report you again. Come back with something to back up your claim.
There...there's NO FACTS AT ALL. Your entire argument is based on a FAN THEORY. Narset was never confirmed to be a planeswalker in the first place. The only way your argument could even make a shred of sense is if she had just beforehand ignited the spark, THEN died. Zurgo can't steal something that might not have even been there.
The other problem? You're still mixing lore with mechanics. Zurgo has the ability to become stronger through combat. He is NOT a vampire, and he most certainly cannot steal sparks. He's a planebound orc of Tarkir. If your argument was correct, then why didn't Sarkhan just fly as a dragon all the way to Ugin? Why hasn't Garruk killed at least half of the planeswalker base? How come Xenagod kill Elspeth without any issues, seeing as he is indestructible to get past her wrath effect and has more than enough power to defeat her? Zurgo can't steal a spark, and the fact that you keep insisting on it as fact when it's nothing more than baseless speculation is ridiculous.
I said vampiric...not that he is vampire. Again, please read my posts before responding. My statement is factual, supported by the facts in the lore and the card. Since I'm not privy to Sarkhan or Garruk's private thoughts, I couldn't begin to tell you what's going on in their minds. You say Xenagos, God of Revels killed Elspeth? Well, that does make sense since he's indestructible and she isn't (I never read Theros, so I'm going strictly by your information). Zurgo gains strength, power, a buff, call it what you like, from those he defeats in combat. He defeated Narset (mortal wounds and all), gained strength from the victory and in the process took her spark. It's right there on the card and lore for you to see, though it seems you don't care to (or just like debating me, whichever is fine with me and more power to you :D)
Flisch, please don't make me report you again. Come back with something to back up your claim.
My post had a typo and I didn't bother fixing it, but the fact should still have come to you that HELIOD killed Elspeth and ELSPETH killed Xenagos. You just agreed that it should have been the other way around. And I'm going just off of the cards for Garruk and Sarkhan. Sarkhan can turn into a dragon in the game....why isn't he just always a straight up dragon when traveling? Garruk can kill walkers for breakfast, so why did none of our roster die to him? Your statement is not factual because you're combining two sides of the game that have to be separated to create a balanced game that manages with an engaging story. Zurgo can't steal a spark. It's not on the card because nowhere on the card does it say "turn him into a planeswalker". It's not in the lore because HE'S NOT A PLANESWALKER IN THE UR. Neither is Narset.
Your argument, whether you want to admit it or not, is based on FAN THEORY. Vampiric also implies one thing and one thing alone in games like this: life-draining. Not anything but life-draining. Such as why all the vampires, from Bloodcrazed Neonate to Sengir Vampire, gain strength because they draw from one's blood. Same reason why most of them have lifelink. Same reason why Wraith King's passive in DotA is called VAMPIRIC Aura. You're basing your argument on "what if Zurgo could do this" rather than fact, but you've deluded yourself, either through mental prowess or intoxication, into embarrassingly believing that you speak a truth.
You also can't report someone for disagreeing with you. If the guy doesn't want to deal with your baseless claims or just wants to make a joke of the whole situation, that's his right.
Memnarch was the Mirari, reshaped by Karn into a guardian for Argentum. Even corrupted, Memnarch resisted the Phyrexian infection of the core. Not a Phyrexian at all.
As for the Xenagod/Elspeth bit, what he meant is why DIDN'T Xenagos effortlessly smash Elspeth (spoiler: Elspeth kills him, Heliod kills her) if lore follows mechanics?
I didn't report F for disagreeing, I reported him for trolling with posts such as "Marit Lage is Zurgo," which have no bearing on our discussion. As with the question about why didn't Sarkhan do this, or Garruk do that, I couldn't tell you without more information, Ebline. I'd need to know the lay of the battlefield, what Elspeth was packing, whether Xenagos was packing divine heat...there's plenty of factors, and I would not post aimless theories about something I am not informed of. I'm only here to post the facts taken from canon, though this seems to mean little and less to the majority of my debate partners as the thread goes on.
@Goblin: Vampires are now a tribe, in the MtG lore. Zurgo has a clearly vampiric ability representing his black aspect, but is an orc, not a vampire. Again, please read the card and consider what you see printed on the card. If we're looking at material outside of MtG, I'll give you a famous one: Elric and his vampiric sword Stormbringer. Elric is not a vampire, but a drug addict (and his race, the Melniboneans are directly descended from the old dragon lords, so you could probably call them reptilians, though they are humanoid in appearance). Stormbringer is not a vampire either; it is a Chaos Lord that derives power from blood and souls, and passes some of that on to Elric. Its sort of like a junkie with a needle of his favorite concoction, not a trait that defines the individual's race (as is the case in MtG with vampires). My example of Elric and yours of the Dota are neither here nor there for our discussion. Both are beyond Magic's canon.
I find it hard to believe I'm having to say it again so recently, but please remember that baseless speculation is against the subforum rules, and you must have REASONABLE basis for any theory.
So, let's just sweep this discussion under the rug and go back to sniping at each other about if Narset had a spark or not. (joking. mostly.)
You also can't report someone for disagreeing with you. If the guy doesn't want to deal with your baseless claims or just wants to make a joke of the whole situation, that's his right.
Apparently it's not, I got a violation.
So you better be nice to the next guy who spams two threads with crazy fan theories.
I find it hard to believe I'm having to say it again so recently, but please remember that baseless speculation is against the subforum rules, and you must have REASONABLE basis for any theory.
So, let's just sweep this discussion under the rug and go back to sniping at each other about if Narset had a spark or not. (joking. mostly.)
She did...and now Zurgo has it. I expected a forum mod would be able to piece together our Uncharted Realms article and Zurgo's card. More than reasonable, unless we're calling hard proof unreasonable. :/
She did...and now Zurgo has it. I expected a forum mod would be able to piece together our Uncharted Realms article and Zurgo's card. More than reasonable, unless we're calling hard proof unreasonable. :/
Zurgo is not a highlander. He does not absorb the essence of the beings he defeats.
That is, to be quite explicit, the last we will hear of this.
The question of if Narset has a spark or not is another entirely. It's a reasonable conclusion to draw to speculate about, HOWEVER, it is not certain by any measure. The fact that she died and did not ascend suggests that the vague "greater destiny" she had was just as likely to play a part in Ugin's return.
But seriously, to get the discussion back on topic, I have to say that my one criticism with this UR is that the pacing does feel rushed. I mean, I don't think there's any indication of how much time passes over the course of Sarkhan and Narset's journey to the Nexus, and all we see of them interacting with each other is limited to exactly two conversations. I get that it's been a while since Sarkhan's had a conversation with somebody who wasn't a figment of his imagination, but it still feels like he cares more about Narset than he really should at this point. There should have been more build up to Narset's death, which as it is, falls kind of flat. I feel like this story should probably have been made into two parts, so that they could fit in a bit more development for the pair's relationship, and maybe even some little tidbits about Zurgo tracking them, since right now his story just jumps right from "I'm gonna find Sarkhan" to "I've found Sarkhan!"
But seriously, to get the discussion back on topic, I have to say that my one criticism with this UR is that the pacing does feel rushed. I mean, I don't think there's any indication of how much time passes over the course of Sarkhan and Narset's journey to the Nexus, and all we see of them interacting with each other is limited to exactly two conversations. I get that it's been a while since Sarkhan's had a conversation with somebody who wasn't a figment of his imagination, but it still feels like he cares more about Narset than he really should at this point. There should have been more build up to Narset's death, which as it is, falls kind of flat. I feel like this story should probably have been made into two parts, so that they could fit in a bit more development for the pair's relationship, and maybe even some little tidbits about Zurgo tracking them, since right now his story just jumps right from "I'm gonna find Sarkhan" to "I've found Sarkhan!"
See... THIS. THIS is a highlander.
From what we know, Sarkhan was in Temur territory a while before he even bumped into Narset. They can't have possibly been that far by that point.
Aside from that though, we've had this problem with characters before. Rather a lot. Venser and Karn, Daxos and Elspeth, etc.
They just really don't exactly have a good grasp, it would seem, on how long it would take to become really attached to someone.
She did...and now Zurgo has it. I expected a forum mod would be able to piece together our Uncharted Realms article and Zurgo's card. More than reasonable, unless we're calling hard proof unreasonable. :/
Zurgo is not a highlander. He does not absorb the essence of the beings he defeats.
That is, to be quite explicit, the last we will hear of this.
The question of if Narset has a spark or not is another entirely. It's a reasonable conclusion to draw to speculate about, HOWEVER, it is not certain by any measure. The fact that she died and did not ascend suggests that the vague "greater destiny" she had was just as likely to play a part in Ugin's return.
Just because our moderator friend quoted here chimed in because of a lack of facts in another discussion, I would like to mention that it is not actually fact that she died. She has been injured, quite possibly a mortal injury for sure, but I've reread the point at the end of "Journey to the Nexus" and at no point does it say she died. It doesn't even say where it was she was struck by the sword.
Now, I admit that it's probable that, if she doesn't ascend the moment after Sarkhan leaves, she dies. If not because of that injury, because Zurgo finishes her off. But I'm an optimist and until the story says "Dead" (or something to that effect) I will remain hopeful. (Disclaimer voice: If there has been an article or other official statement somewhere actually saying that Narset died as a result of that interaction, please feel free to smack me upside the head and ignore me. )
Heh. I'm personally of the opinion that he's intentionally obfusicating things- we'll see come DTK, but I'm convinced she'll be a 'walker then, if only for gender parity. We always get at least one lady 'walker per block.
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It isn't a fan theory. It is pretty blatantly stated in the story. Narset died, Zurgo gains strength when those he fights are killed. He fought Narset, killed her, gained her strength and special destiny as a planeswalker. Zurgo now has the spark, and simply needs to have it ignited.
To rehash something stated earlier in the thread, game powers=/=story powers. Not to mention that Narset hasn't died when Sarkhan time travels, she's mortally wounded. For all we know, when Sarkhan turned around her spark ignited. Zurgo doesn't have a vampiric ability on sparks, either. I'd wager his ability to gain counters is more a result of a form of gaining experience through combat to make him better. Your fan theory is just....why?
You'd be right...if we were talking about cards from the older sets, before the color pie was set and the cards where all over the place, in terms of mechanically. Creative has since been careful to ensure that their story services the abilities on the cards. You don't get up and walk away from a wound that is described as mortal. Read this. Read it very carefully. Specifically, the last ability. It is in line with the vampires' buff mechanic. Zurgo clearly has the ability, and has only demonstrated it once--in this UR after killed Narset. Zurgo has stolen her spark and made a fool of the phyrexian from the first Mirrodin block that was trying to harvest a spark from the plane's population.
Your reading my post, and the story and the cards, is more in question at this point than the facts laid out in my post, and backed up across the board of official sources: cards and the proper uncharted realms articles.
The irony is, I could ask you the same.
You repeatedly claim that Zurgo stole the spark from Narset, even though it has never been stated or even hinted at. (No, his card abilities are not hints in any way.) Your argument has literally no substance at all and yet you keep treating it as confirmed fact.
Also, there's a gaping hole in your "theory": Narset does not come with a +1/+1 counter, so how can she be a planeswalker.
Something is wrong about that picture.
A really simple reminder of the separation between lore and mechanics, however, is that Dreadbore doesn't kill players. Mechanics are not directly representative of lore, lore is not directly representative of mechanics. Eldrazi are another good example - if lore suited mechanics, the Eldrazi threat would have been completely flattened and taken care of in no time while if mechanics suited lore, the Eldrazi would be the most broken cards ever printed and everyone might as well pack up and stop playing. Neither of those things is the case. The two often inform one another, but they are far from rigidly linked and are certainly not equivalent enough to support speculation with any reasonable force.
Most Used (of many dozens) EDH Decks:
Brago, King Eternal - Stax
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - Aggro Combo
Wort, the Raidmother - Spellslinger Swarm Control
Animar, Soul of Elements - Tempo Combo
Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder - Spellslinger
Exodia the Forbidden One:
Oona, Queen of the Fae - Combowins.dec
Your Eldrazi example falls apart when you consider the metagame. They are fairly hard to touch in game. It's very long odds, beating them. That reflects in the storyline, in which they could only be sealed by the actions of three planeswalkers joining together. As players, we are the manipulators and schemers, the planeswalkers fighting for us are lending their services, or are our puppets. Since they're not at their best while serving us, it makes sense that a Dreadbore would send them packing. Of course, if any of us had a Rakdos-shaped hole in our chests, we'd likely bite the dust just as quickly as our creatures or planeswalker allies.
Oh, Memmnarch is a phyrexian. McDermott said as much back in the days of yore. So, again...Flisch, since you're informed about the storyline, I assumed you'd know that a spark has to ignite before one becomes a planeswalker, yes? I would also guess that you can look at clues and foreshadowing, again in the cards and articles, to figure out that Zurgo now as the unignited spark.
There...there's NO FACTS AT ALL. Your entire argument is based on a FAN THEORY. Narset was never confirmed to be a planeswalker in the first place. The only way your argument could even make a shred of sense is if she had just beforehand ignited the spark, THEN died. Zurgo can't steal something that might not have even been there.
The other problem? You're still mixing lore with mechanics. Zurgo has the ability to become stronger through combat. He is NOT a vampire, and he most certainly cannot steal sparks. He's a planebound orc of Tarkir. If your argument was correct, then why didn't Sarkhan just fly as a dragon all the way to Ugin? Why hasn't Garruk killed at least half of the planeswalker base? How come Xenagod kill Elspeth without any issues, seeing as he is indestructible to get past her wrath effect and has more than enough power to defeat her? Zurgo can't steal a spark, and the fact that you keep insisting on it as fact when it's nothing more than baseless speculation is ridiculous.
I said vampiric...not that he is vampire. Again, please read my posts before responding. My statement is factual, supported by the facts in the lore and the card. Since I'm not privy to Sarkhan or Garruk's private thoughts, I couldn't begin to tell you what's going on in their minds. You say Xenagos, God of Revels killed Elspeth? Well, that does make sense since he's indestructible and she isn't (I never read Theros, so I'm going strictly by your information). Zurgo gains strength, power, a buff, call it what you like, from those he defeats in combat. He defeated Narset (mortal wounds and all), gained strength from the victory and in the process took her spark. It's right there on the card and lore for you to see, though it seems you don't care to (or just like debating me, whichever is fine with me and more power to you :D)
Flisch, please don't make me report you again. Come back with something to back up your claim.
My post had a typo and I didn't bother fixing it, but the fact should still have come to you that HELIOD killed Elspeth and ELSPETH killed Xenagos. You just agreed that it should have been the other way around. And I'm going just off of the cards for Garruk and Sarkhan. Sarkhan can turn into a dragon in the game....why isn't he just always a straight up dragon when traveling? Garruk can kill walkers for breakfast, so why did none of our roster die to him? Your statement is not factual because you're combining two sides of the game that have to be separated to create a balanced game that manages with an engaging story. Zurgo can't steal a spark. It's not on the card because nowhere on the card does it say "turn him into a planeswalker". It's not in the lore because HE'S NOT A PLANESWALKER IN THE UR. Neither is Narset.
Your argument, whether you want to admit it or not, is based on FAN THEORY. Vampiric also implies one thing and one thing alone in games like this: life-draining. Not anything but life-draining. Such as why all the vampires, from Bloodcrazed Neonate to Sengir Vampire, gain strength because they draw from one's blood. Same reason why most of them have lifelink. Same reason why Wraith King's passive in DotA is called VAMPIRIC Aura. You're basing your argument on "what if Zurgo could do this" rather than fact, but you've deluded yourself, either through mental prowess or intoxication, into embarrassingly believing that you speak a truth.
You also can't report someone for disagreeing with you. If the guy doesn't want to deal with your baseless claims or just wants to make a joke of the whole situation, that's his right.
As for the Xenagod/Elspeth bit, what he meant is why DIDN'T Xenagos effortlessly smash Elspeth (spoiler: Elspeth kills him, Heliod kills her) if lore follows mechanics?
Most Used (of many dozens) EDH Decks:
Brago, King Eternal - Stax
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - Aggro Combo
Wort, the Raidmother - Spellslinger Swarm Control
Animar, Soul of Elements - Tempo Combo
Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder - Spellslinger
Exodia the Forbidden One:
Oona, Queen of the Fae - Combowins.dec
@Goblin: Vampires are now a tribe, in the MtG lore. Zurgo has a clearly vampiric ability representing his black aspect, but is an orc, not a vampire. Again, please read the card and consider what you see printed on the card. If we're looking at material outside of MtG, I'll give you a famous one: Elric and his vampiric sword Stormbringer. Elric is not a vampire, but a drug addict (and his race, the Melniboneans are directly descended from the old dragon lords, so you could probably call them reptilians, though they are humanoid in appearance). Stormbringer is not a vampire either; it is a Chaos Lord that derives power from blood and souls, and passes some of that on to Elric. Its sort of like a junkie with a needle of his favorite concoction, not a trait that defines the individual's race (as is the case in MtG with vampires). My example of Elric and yours of the Dota are neither here nor there for our discussion. Both are beyond Magic's canon.
So, let's just sweep this discussion under the rug and go back to sniping at each other about if Narset had a spark or not. (joking. mostly.)
Apparently it's not, I got a violation.
So you better be nice to the next guy who spams two threads with crazy fan theories.
She did...and now Zurgo has it. I expected a forum mod would be able to piece together our Uncharted Realms article and Zurgo's card. More than reasonable, unless we're calling hard proof unreasonable. :/
That is, to be quite explicit, the last we will hear of this.
The question of if Narset has a spark or not is another entirely. It's a reasonable conclusion to draw to speculate about, HOWEVER, it is not certain by any measure. The fact that she died and did not ascend suggests that the vague "greater destiny" she had was just as likely to play a part in Ugin's return.
Confirmed: Zurgo is the fourth eldrazi titan.
But seriously, to get the discussion back on topic, I have to say that my one criticism with this UR is that the pacing does feel rushed. I mean, I don't think there's any indication of how much time passes over the course of Sarkhan and Narset's journey to the Nexus, and all we see of them interacting with each other is limited to exactly two conversations. I get that it's been a while since Sarkhan's had a conversation with somebody who wasn't a figment of his imagination, but it still feels like he cares more about Narset than he really should at this point. There should have been more build up to Narset's death, which as it is, falls kind of flat. I feel like this story should probably have been made into two parts, so that they could fit in a bit more development for the pair's relationship, and maybe even some little tidbits about Zurgo tracking them, since right now his story just jumps right from "I'm gonna find Sarkhan" to "I've found Sarkhan!"
See... THIS. THIS is a highlander.
From what we know, Sarkhan was in Temur territory a while before he even bumped into Narset. They can't have possibly been that far by that point.
Aside from that though, we've had this problem with characters before. Rather a lot. Venser and Karn, Daxos and Elspeth, etc.
They just really don't exactly have a good grasp, it would seem, on how long it would take to become really attached to someone.
Just because our moderator friend quoted here chimed in because of a lack of facts in another discussion, I would like to mention that it is not actually fact that she died. She has been injured, quite possibly a mortal injury for sure, but I've reread the point at the end of "Journey to the Nexus" and at no point does it say she died. It doesn't even say where it was she was struck by the sword.
Now, I admit that it's probable that, if she doesn't ascend the moment after Sarkhan leaves, she dies. If not because of that injury, because Zurgo finishes her off. But I'm an optimist and until the story says "Dead" (or something to that effect) I will remain hopeful. (Disclaimer voice: If there has been an article or other official statement somewhere actually saying that Narset died as a result of that interaction, please feel free to smack me upside the head and ignore me. )
Proof.
Maro kills people with his love.