Those guys who said that Sorin 2.0 would become a BW planeswalker are right on the mark. Didn't post an official prediction but I'm right in there with those guys. As of now, Sorin is like the epitome of how a black planeswalker could become good (although he only created Avacyn partly to sustain his vampire brethren's existence).
Now who wants to make a bet that the restored Avacyn would become Innistrad's potential destroyer, making Sorin lament his actions and turning this into another tragic block (ala Zendikar and Scars)?
I'm a little miffed that he's BW solely because Rumor Mill posters will feel justified in making completely bizarre color predictions for planeswalers based on color composition in artwork.
It's possible there will be a big fight between Edgar and Sorin. The WotC article said Sorin is no longer welcome in the Markov household, so Edgar despises Sorin, possibly for leaving the family instead of staying to build the Markov empire.
Sorin betrayed his people by creating Avacyn. That's why he's no longer welcome at Markov Manor. Though note the huge building in the background of his art (and the trailer) is probably the manor.
There will probably be a confrontation with Edgar in some regard. Brady even said that the story would revolve around Sorin and his grandfather.
Though how this is going to play out without a book, i don't know.
How was it deduced that Sorin created Avacyn pre-mending? (I'm not familiar with the relative timeline of the Mending and the current storyline.)
BW Sorin makes a fair bit of sense to me. All characters contain a bit of each color in them; it's just a matter of which is dominant. Sorin's dominant color (and therefore personality and style of magic) is black. However, that does not mean that he doesn't have potentials for the other four colors, and in certain situations he might just be pushed to change his mindset a little bit and use a slightly different style of magic (ie, take on a second color).
The way I perceive Innistrad is based on the races. The revelation that vampires were a race that were created by humans really changed my view of Innistrad. That basically means that all of the threats of Innistrad are just humans that have undergone some change and now want to kill humans. In fact, the only distinct race on the plane are currently humans.
But that wasn't the way it's always been. Although it was dropped as an innocent hint, I believe that the revelation that elves are extinct on Innistrad has a lot of relevance to the story. At one time, there were elves? But how did the elves die out? It takes something big to wipe out an entire race. And then of course, I thought about the plight that was happening to the humans. Sorin said it himself in the trailer, eventually all the forces, but especially the vampires, of the world would destroy the humans and then turn on themselves.
That's when I thought of demons. In the past, it wasn't just the humans and elves. There were demons too. A demon convinced Edgar to make the vampires. So perhaps the demons are on a mission to destroy all the other races of Innistrad. What if they succeeded in the past with the destruction of the elves? Then they continued on with their purge with a plan to kill the humans, but Sorin interrupted their plans by creating Avacyn.
^^tl;dr --the demons wiped out the elves earlier in Innistrad's history and are orchestrating things to happen so that the humans will be wiped out as well.
I think that Avacyn and Griselbrand (I'm imagining him to be sympathetic to the plight of the humans for some reason) have been on the moon (the Helvault is a portal to the moon or something) creating a massive spell that will cure humankind of all the problems (undeadism, werewolfism, vampirism). To wrap up some story points, their cure ends up saving Garruk as well. And the demon cabal conspiring to wipe out the humans also happened to be the very same cabal who made the pact with Liliana.
Nice tidy ending, accounts for a lot of the plot points being wrapped up, and doesn't end woefully sad like Zendikar and Scars.
^^ Of course, my whole theory is full of flaws and holes (like why exactly are the demons trying to kill everyone?) but hey...it's the best I have.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Sig by Rivenor
Decks (All Budget)
Modern WSoul SistersW RGShamansRG
...(like why exactly are the demons trying to kill everyone?)...
On one hand, uh, dude, they're demons. They kill for fun.
On the other hand, makes you wonder if they actually ever thought of enslaving humans instead, doesn't it?
Also, am I the only one who thinks that actually Edgar and Sorin may not be in bad terms? The article did say that most vampires hate Sorin for creating Avacyn, but some accept that fact (although admittedly it didn't say whether those who accept that fact support Sorin or not). Although it is true that it's said that Sorin is no longer welcome in Markov manor, is that really because Edgar has chosen to disown Sorin, or is that because Edgar is no longer the patriarch of the Markov manor (vampires can still die, y'know Okay, forgot about the line about Edgar still living in Markov Manor, but hey, living there is not the same as being the head of family.)? I mean, among other things, Sorin is the first person Edgar chose besides himself to become a vampire after all...
Besides, I'm curious about the fact that a single vampire family (a single person, no less) can end up creating multiple bloodlines after generations (Falkenrath, Voldaren, whatever else). Okay, so they might take people outside the Markov line to become vampires, and these new vampires might choose to rebel from the Markov line and renounce that name, becoming a new bloodline, but regardless, those new vampires were nevertheless humans to begin with. So how?
I also like the thought that Mikaeus knows that Avacyn was created by Sorin (probably some vampires whispered that to him; after all, those vampires know Sorin made Avacyn). That shaken faith could very well helped in Avacyn's going MIA.
Oh, and to close my post, how does Lili fit into all these?
Besides, I'm curious about the fact that a single vampire family (a single person, no less) can end up creating multiple bloodlines after generations (Falkenrath, Voldaren, whatever else). Okay, so they might take people outside the Markov line to become vampires, and these new vampires might choose to rebel from the Markov line and renounce that name, becoming a new bloodline, but regardless, those new vampires were nevertheless humans to begin with. So how?
I also like the thought that Mikaeus knows that Avacyn was created by Sorin (probably some vampires whispered that to him; after all, those vampires know Sorin made Avacyn). That shaken faith could very well helped in Avacyn's going MIA.
Oh, and to close my post, how do Lili fit into all these?
Having a single person as a progenitor of vampirism is quite a popular idea due to Vampire: the Masquerade, where Caine (the Cain from the bible) was the first vampire, and there are like 13-14 clans spawning just from him. And just to emphasize on the similarities that also took thousands of years.
It would be intriguing to learn that Mikaeus was the one who stole Avacyn's saxophone because he found out that Avacyn was created by a vampire. That will bring a nice twist to things.
Besides, Sorin wanting to find out what happened to Avacyn isn't a sign that he can't replace her. If I came back to a world after a long absence and found that the mechanism I put into place to keep it from imploding is now gone, I'd want to sort out why, too. Rather than, "Man, can't fix this, gotta find Avacyn," isn't it more like, "What changed about Innistrad that made my supposedly invulnerable angel randomly disappear"? I wouldn't want to go to all the trouble of making a replacement if she's just going to get nuked as soon as I leave again.
EDIT: We need to know what Sorin did when he made her and a little more about where she might be now before we can jump to conclusions. If Avacyn is in fact imprisoned in the Helvault, Sorin needs to know how and why she got there so he can prevent it from happening again. If she was somehow killed, he needs to know how and why so Avacyn 2.0 doesn't fall prey to the same trick. And if something on Innistrad has changed such that Avacyn is no longer viable, or has been stripped of her power (thus weakening her enough to enable her imprisonment), he needs to know the details so he can make a better angel, or fix the one he made previously.
I like this thought. Good one, Sir. Yes, even if you can create a million super-mighty angels, it's pointless if they are all vulnerable to the same thing.
If Sorin is capable of making a new angel to replace Avaycn then he'd do it the moment he saw Avacyn is missing. If he can create an angel, why wait?
People are dying.
Then after he investiagates Avacyn's dissapearance he can create a third angel if need be.
The problem with Sorin being powerful enough to make a second Avacyn is that he's also powerful enough to make a third... or a fourth... or a fifth... (see the problem?)
If Sorin is capable of making a new angel to replace Avaycn then he'd do it the moment he saw Avacyn is missing. If he can create an angel, why wait?
People are dying.
Then after he investiagates Avacyn's dissapearance he can create a third angel if need be.
The problem with Sorin being powerful enough to make a second Avacyn is that he's also powerful enough to make a third... or a fourth... or a fifth... (see the problem?)
This is assuming he can just poop out Avacyn strength angels. Call me crazy, but even if he can do it, I imagine it's something that would take more than a bit of time, mana, concentration, preparation, or some combination therein. Hell, making an Avacyn might require a part of Sorin himself, and that's something I can't imagine he'd be so willing to give up a second, third, forth, or fifth time without first knowing where the first one went.
The problem with Sorin being powerful enough to make a second Avacyn is that he's also powerful enough to make a third... or a fourth... or a fifth... (see the problem?)
I highly doubt creating Avacyn was easy even before the Mending. Given the powerful (if not broken) effects of angels in general, being able to make one (an archangel no less) at a whim is giving Sorin waaaay to much power credit... even more than what Sorin himself would want.
Also, am I the only one who thinks that actually Edgar and Sorin may not be in bad terms? The article did say that most vampires hate Sorin for creating Avacyn, but some accept that fact (although admittedly it didn't say whether those who accept that fact support Sorin or not). Although it is true that it's said that Sorin is no longer welcome in Markov manor, is that really because Edgar has chosen to disown Sorin, or is that because Edgar is no longer the patriarch of the Markov manor (vampires can still die, y'know Okay, forgot about the line about Edgar still living in Markov Manor, but hey, living there is not the same as being the head of family.)? I mean, among other things, Sorin is the first person Edgar chose besides himself to become a vampire after all...
It's pretty obvious in the article that Sorin was traumatized after being given his granddaddy Edgar's gift.
Traumatized = Did-Not-Want (At least at the start anyways.)
It's also pretty clear that since Edgar is the evil father of all Innistrad vampires (*coughs*Dracula*coughs*), he would very much indeed hate the person who created something powerful enough stop him and his people. Thrown in the fact that said person was his own grandson, the first person whom he offered a 'gift', would actually give him more reason to be seriously pissed.
Think about it. You did something to your grandkid that you thought would make him very happy but instead freaked him out. After which, said grandkid made something to fight/destroy that very 'gift'. It's shock, disappointment, and family betrayal all in one.
I highly doubt creating Avacyn was easy even before the Mending. Given the powerful (if not broken) effects of angels in general, being able to make one (an archangel no less) at a whim is giving Sorin waaaay to much power credit... even more than what Sorin himself would want.
IMO the difference would be in terms of experience on being able to do it. If Serra was able to create many Archangels that are on the level of Radiant (which I think who has other powers than just merely fighting) and angels that were able to surpress mana I won't find it hard to believe that if the Mending didn't happen Sorin could easily replace Avacyn.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Serra Stan - Angel Enthusiast - Garruk and Tyvar thirsty follower - Flavor and Art Enthusiast
This is assuming he can just poop out Avacyn strength angels. Call me crazy, but even if he can do it, I imagine it's something that would take more than a bit of time, mana, concentration, preparation, or some combination therein. Hell, making an Avacyn might require a part of Sorin himself, and that's something I can't imagine he'd be so willing to give up a second, third, forth, or fifth time without first knowing where the first one went.
Will be funny if all Sorin needed to make angels is a bottle of laxative...
Please add more content to your posts in the future. Jokes are fine, but you're sidetracking the conversation. Spam Warning issued.
-Stardust
It's pretty obvious in the article that Sorin was traumatized after being given his granddaddy Edgar's gift.
Traumatized = Did-Not-Want (At least at the start anyways.)
It's also pretty clear that since Edgar is the evil father of all Innistrad vampires (*coughs*Dracula*coughs*), he would very much indeed hate the person who created something powerful enough stop him and his people. Thrown in the fact that said person was his own grandson, the first person whom he offered a 'gift', would actually give him more reason to be seriously pissed.
Think about it. You did something to your grandkid that you thought would make him very happy but instead freaked him out. After which, said grandkid made something to fight/destroy that very 'gift'. It's shock, disappointment, and family betrayal all in one.
Okay, I understand your point.
That said though, someone else posted that Sorin, being a long-term planner, created Avacyn not because he's a good guy, but because he knows that if the vampires (and everything else) grow unchecked, the humans will go extinct, and then the vampires, having no more food to eat, will also grow extinct. If this is really the case, I wonder how many vampires (and which vampires, especially) share this point of view. Come to think of it, I also want to know why there are some vampires who actually understand why Sorin created Avacyn.
OH, and PS: The Rumor Mill said that the next card to be previewed is named Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. Please share your WTH views
How was it deduced that Sorin created Avacyn pre-mending? (I'm not familiar with the relative timeline of the Mending and the current storyline.)
BW Sorin makes a fair bit of sense to me. All characters contain a bit of each color in them; it's just a matter of which is dominant. Sorin's dominant color (and therefore personality and style of magic) is black. However, that does not mean that he doesn't have potentials for the other four colors, and in certain situations he might just be pushed to change his mindset a little bit and use a slightly different style of magic (ie, take on a second color).
The way I perceive Innistrad is based on the races. The revelation that vampires were a race that were created by humans really changed my view of Innistrad. That basically means that all of the threats of Innistrad are just humans that have undergone some change and now want to kill humans. In fact, the only distinct race on the plane are currently humans.
But that wasn't the way it's always been. Although it was dropped as an innocent hint, I believe that the revelation that elves are extinct on Innistrad has a lot of relevance to the story. At one time, there were elves? But how did the elves die out? It takes something big to wipe out an entire race. And then of course, I thought about the plight that was happening to the humans. Sorin said it himself in the trailer, eventually all the forces, but especially the vampires, of the world would destroy the humans and then turn on themselves.
That's when I thought of demons. In the past, it wasn't just the humans and elves. There were demons too. A demon convinced Edgar to make the vampires. So perhaps the demons are on a mission to destroy all the other races of Innistrad. What if they succeeded in the past with the destruction of the elves? Then they continued on with their purge with a plan to kill the humans, but Sorin interrupted their plans by creating Avacyn.
^^tl;dr --the demons wiped out the elves earlier in Innistrad's history and are orchestrating things to happen so that the humans will be wiped out as well.
I think that Avacyn and Griselbrand (I'm imagining him to be sympathetic to the plight of the humans for some reason) have been on the moon (the Helvault is a portal to the moon or something) creating a massive spell that will cure humankind of all the problems (undeadism, werewolfism, vampirism). To wrap up some story points, their cure ends up saving Garruk as well. And the demon cabal conspiring to wipe out the humans also happened to be the very same cabal who made the pact with Liliana.
Nice tidy ending, accounts for a lot of the plot points being wrapped up, and doesn't end woefully sad like Zendikar and Scars.
^^ Of course, my whole theory is full of flaws and holes (like why exactly are the demons trying to kill everyone?) but hey...it's the best I have.
Until they explain more about the Helvault, which Doug hinted towards for the next Savor the Flavor, there's really no way to say what exactly happened. The going theory seems to be that Avacyn - and I'll wager Griselbrand too - became trapped within the Helvault somehow. In the archangel's case, my money's on Mikaeus having made a deal with the demon's. In Griselbrand's case, I'm willing to wager that Avacyn created the Helvault in the first place (during the Demon Wars?) and locked up a good many of them within it.
Which makes me think that the real bad behind everything is either another demon (Shilgengar?) trying to take the top slot while everything is chaos, and/or using Edgar Markov as a scapegoat. Best way to take over is to have everyone think it's not you but your puppet, and Mr. Markov's already been strongly implied to be orchestrating some events.
Regardless, it seems rather clear to me that Mikaeus is a naughty boy in need of a good spank from mama.
According to Veloxiraptor in Rumor Mill, this is how it went down:
Sorin: AVACYN! You march your butt down here THIS INSTANT!
Avacyn: What is it, Daddy?
Sorin: Who's this 'Mikaeus' who keeps beseeching you?
Avacyn: Oh, Daddy, he's just some supplicant...I have a lot of them, since I'm, y'know, an ARCHANGEL.
Sorin: Well, you'd better tell that mouthbreathing creep to stop calling, or I'll personally ensure that he and up to two creatures and/or planeswalkers are worshipping you from inside a COFFIN! Capisce?
Avacyn: UGH! As soon as I'm old enough to gain Flying, I'm SO out of here!
IMO the difference would be in terms of experience on being able to do it. If Serra was able to create many Archangels that are on the level of Radiant (which I think who has other powers than just merely fighting) and angels that were able to surpress mana I won't find it hard to believe that if the Mending didn't happen Sorin could easily replace Avacyn.
Yeah but that really just proves that Sorin can't replace her anymore (though it's also curious that Sorin only made one as opposed to Serra making so many). After all, it's heavily implied in both the trailer and Sorin's Homecoming that Sorin creating Avacyn was a delicately planned affair.
P.S.
So... how soon can we start recruiting for the Sorin x Avacyn movement?
That said though, someone else posted that Sorin, being a long-term planner, created Avacyn not because he's a good guy, but because he knows that if the vampires (and everything else) grow unchecked, the humans will go extinct, and then the vampires, having no more food to eat, will also grow extinct. If this is really the case, I wonder how many vampires (and which vampires, especially) share this point of view. Come to think of it, I also want to know why there are some vampires who actually understand why Sorin created Avacyn.
I can only say only time will tell. I would actually find it interesting if they'd release more Vampire cards (or at least just characters) who support Sorin's view. I actually like the idea of good-aligned vampires (provided they don't remind me of a certain sparkly one too much :rolleyes:). It'd be good if they did the same to some werewolves, skaberen, and even ghoulcallers.
I'm beginning to suspect that Avacyn went MIA because....she wanted to go MIA. I'm going back to that theory that she's also Griselbrand and maybe she just said screw everything and took a hiatus. Maybe she doesn't even fear Sorin anymore due to the Mending zapping a good portion of his power. Oh well we'll just have to wait until late April to find out everything.
The Humans began to lose hope and faith when their protector Avacyn vanished. Maybe Avacyn began to lose hope, faith, and the will to fight when her creator Sorrin vanished.
Or she might have discovered that her mission wasn't to smite all evil, but merely keep a balance.
Sorin's been gone for quite some time. Avacyn vanished relatively recently, so I don't think she's pining for Sorin.
On your second point, are you suggesting that Avacyn found out and didn't like her role in keeping the balance? Seems a bit of an overreaction to abandon smiting evil (allowing it to overrun good) just because you can't finish it off.
Sorin's been gone for quite some time. Avacyn vanished relatively recently, so I don't think she's pining for Sorin.
On your second point, are you suggesting that Avacyn found out and didn't like her role in keeping the balance? Seems a bit of an overreaction to abandon smiting evil (allowing it to overrun good) just because you can't finish it off.
I agree that it is an overreaction; however, it's not the first grand White overreaction to a blight. Serra abandoned her realm because of Phyrexian taint. Radiant wanted to purge the entire realm. Akroma was obsessed. Wrath of God, Day of Judgement, and Catastrophe aren't subtle either. At least from a color wheel perspective, White doesn't want to make a compromise with something against its ideals.
Good point, but I think Avacyn looks pretty angry and ready to kick some ass in the picture we have for Avacyn Restored. That doesn't look like an angel who came back just to talk about how she'd prefer humanity's extinction over accidentally helping vampires.
Good point, but I think Avacyn looks pretty angry and ready to kick some ass in the picture we have for Avacyn Restored. That doesn't look like an angel who came back just to talk about how she'd prefer humanity's extinction over accidentally helping vampires.
She's an archangel, which doesn't mean she's going to be naturally one of the angels that is going straight for diplomacy but more likely to use force. If she is reflective of her "father' she's black and white and wants balance and to protect humans so she'll have to "fix" the other problems.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
I'm a little miffed that he's BW solely because Rumor Mill posters will feel justified in making completely bizarre color predictions for planeswalers based on color composition in artwork.
Sorin betrayed his people by creating Avacyn. That's why he's no longer welcome at Markov Manor. Though note the huge building in the background of his art (and the trailer) is probably the manor.
There will probably be a confrontation with Edgar in some regard. Brady even said that the story would revolve around Sorin and his grandfather.
Though how this is going to play out without a book, i don't know.
BW Sorin makes a fair bit of sense to me. All characters contain a bit of each color in them; it's just a matter of which is dominant. Sorin's dominant color (and therefore personality and style of magic) is black. However, that does not mean that he doesn't have potentials for the other four colors, and in certain situations he might just be pushed to change his mindset a little bit and use a slightly different style of magic (ie, take on a second color).
But that wasn't the way it's always been. Although it was dropped as an innocent hint, I believe that the revelation that elves are extinct on Innistrad has a lot of relevance to the story. At one time, there were elves? But how did the elves die out? It takes something big to wipe out an entire race. And then of course, I thought about the plight that was happening to the humans. Sorin said it himself in the trailer, eventually all the forces, but especially the vampires, of the world would destroy the humans and then turn on themselves.
That's when I thought of demons. In the past, it wasn't just the humans and elves. There were demons too. A demon convinced Edgar to make the vampires. So perhaps the demons are on a mission to destroy all the other races of Innistrad. What if they succeeded in the past with the destruction of the elves? Then they continued on with their purge with a plan to kill the humans, but Sorin interrupted their plans by creating Avacyn.
^^tl;dr --the demons wiped out the elves earlier in Innistrad's history and are orchestrating things to happen so that the humans will be wiped out as well.
I think that Avacyn and Griselbrand (I'm imagining him to be sympathetic to the plight of the humans for some reason) have been on the moon (the Helvault is a portal to the moon or something) creating a massive spell that will cure humankind of all the problems (undeadism, werewolfism, vampirism). To wrap up some story points, their cure ends up saving Garruk as well. And the demon cabal conspiring to wipe out the humans also happened to be the very same cabal who made the pact with Liliana.
Nice tidy ending, accounts for a lot of the plot points being wrapped up, and doesn't end woefully sad like Zendikar and Scars.
^^ Of course, my whole theory is full of flaws and holes (like why exactly are the demons trying to kill everyone?) but hey...it's the best I have.
Sig by Rivenor
Decks (All Budget)
Modern
WSoul SistersW
RGShamansRG
On one hand, uh, dude, they're demons. They kill for fun.
On the other hand, makes you wonder if they actually ever thought of enslaving humans instead, doesn't it?
Anyway, link to article
Also, am I the only one who thinks that actually Edgar and Sorin may not be in bad terms? The article did say that most vampires hate Sorin for creating Avacyn, but some accept that fact (although admittedly it didn't say whether those who accept that fact support Sorin or not). Although it is true that it's said that Sorin is no longer welcome in Markov manor, is that really because Edgar has chosen to disown Sorin, or is that because Edgar is no longer the patriarch of the Markov manor (
vampires can still die, y'knowOkay, forgot about the line about Edgar still living in Markov Manor, but hey, living there is not the same as being the head of family.)? I mean, among other things, Sorin is the first person Edgar chose besides himself to become a vampire after all...Besides, I'm curious about the fact that a single vampire family (a single person, no less) can end up creating multiple bloodlines after generations (Falkenrath, Voldaren, whatever else). Okay, so they might take people outside the Markov line to become vampires, and these new vampires might choose to rebel from the Markov line and renounce that name, becoming a new bloodline, but regardless, those new vampires were nevertheless humans to begin with. So how?
I also like the thought that Mikaeus knows that Avacyn was created by Sorin (probably some vampires whispered that to him; after all, those vampires know Sorin made Avacyn). That shaken faith could very well helped in Avacyn's going MIA.
Oh, and to close my post, how does Lili fit into all these?
Having a single person as a progenitor of vampirism is quite a popular idea due to Vampire: the Masquerade, where Caine (the Cain from the bible) was the first vampire, and there are like 13-14 clans spawning just from him. And just to emphasize on the similarities that also took thousands of years.
It would be intriguing to learn that Mikaeus was the one who stole Avacyn's saxophone because he found out that Avacyn was created by a vampire. That will bring a nice twist to things.
I like this thought. Good one, Sir. Yes, even if you can create a million super-mighty angels, it's pointless if they are all vulnerable to the same thing.
If Sorin is capable of making a new angel to replace Avaycn then he'd do it the moment he saw Avacyn is missing. If he can create an angel, why wait?
People are dying.
Then after he investiagates Avacyn's dissapearance he can create a third angel if need be.
The problem with Sorin being powerful enough to make a second Avacyn is that he's also powerful enough to make a third... or a fourth... or a fifth... (see the problem?)
Though probably he'll go though several angels before going "hang on, what the heck?" if he can make angels on the fly, so your point stays.
This is assuming he can just poop out Avacyn strength angels. Call me crazy, but even if he can do it, I imagine it's something that would take more than a bit of time, mana, concentration, preparation, or some combination therein. Hell, making an Avacyn might require a part of Sorin himself, and that's something I can't imagine he'd be so willing to give up a second, third, forth, or fifth time without first knowing where the first one went.
I highly doubt creating Avacyn was easy even before the Mending. Given the powerful (if not broken) effects of angels in general, being able to make one (an archangel no less) at a whim is giving Sorin waaaay to much power credit... even more than what Sorin himself would want.
It's pretty obvious in the article that Sorin was traumatized after being given his granddaddy Edgar's gift.
Traumatized = Did-Not-Want (At least at the start anyways.)
It's also pretty clear that since Edgar is the evil father of all Innistrad vampires (*coughs*Dracula*coughs*), he would very much indeed hate the person who created something powerful enough stop him and his people. Thrown in the fact that said person was his own grandson, the first person whom he offered a 'gift', would actually give him more reason to be seriously pissed.
Think about it. You did something to your grandkid that you thought would make him very happy but instead freaked him out. After which, said grandkid made something to fight/destroy that very 'gift'. It's shock, disappointment, and family betrayal all in one.
Avacyn x Sorin? Angel x Vampire?
Oh yes, please.
IMO the difference would be in terms of experience on being able to do it. If Serra was able to create many Archangels that are on the level of Radiant (which I think who has other powers than just merely fighting) and angels that were able to surpress mana I won't find it hard to believe that if the Mending didn't happen Sorin could easily replace Avacyn.
Serra Stan - Angel Enthusiast - Garruk and Tyvar thirsty follower - Flavor and Art Enthusiast
Will be funny if all Sorin needed to make angels is a bottle of laxative...
Please add more content to your posts in the future. Jokes are fine, but you're sidetracking the conversation. Spam Warning issued.
-Stardust
Okay, I understand your point.
That said though, someone else posted that Sorin, being a long-term planner, created Avacyn not because he's a good guy, but because he knows that if the vampires (and everything else) grow unchecked, the humans will go extinct, and then the vampires, having no more food to eat, will also grow extinct. If this is really the case, I wonder how many vampires (and which vampires, especially) share this point of view. Come to think of it, I also want to know why there are some vampires who actually understand why Sorin created Avacyn.
OH, and PS: The Rumor Mill said that the next card to be previewed is named Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. Please share your WTH views
Which makes me think that the real bad behind everything is either another demon (Shilgengar?) trying to take the top slot while everything is chaos, and/or using Edgar Markov as a scapegoat. Best way to take over is to have everyone think it's not you but your puppet, and Mr. Markov's already been strongly implied to be orchestrating some events.
Regardless, it seems rather clear to me that Mikaeus is a naughty boy in need of a good spank from mama.
Past Ruminations
Links are broken, will fix in near future.
- Kaladesh
- Zendikar
- Rise of the Eldrazi
- Alara Reborn
- Innistrad <- Personal Favorite
- Dark Ascension
- Avacyn Restored
- Theros
- Return to Ravnica
- Tarkir
Edit: Mikaeus might have been a secret demon worshiper.
Well, looks like Liliana went to church.
Sorin: AVACYN! You march your butt down here THIS INSTANT!
Avacyn: What is it, Daddy?
Sorin: Who's this 'Mikaeus' who keeps beseeching you?
Avacyn: Oh, Daddy, he's just some supplicant...I have a lot of them, since I'm, y'know, an ARCHANGEL.
Sorin: Well, you'd better tell that mouthbreathing creep to stop calling, or I'll personally ensure that he and up to two creatures and/or planeswalkers are worshipping you from inside a COFFIN! Capisce?
Avacyn: UGH! As soon as I'm old enough to gain Flying, I'm SO out of here!
Signature done by perv90210
My Trade Thread | Random Buy List
Pikachudansen | Pika Pika Yukai
Wahaha... | MyAnimeList
Iso is Batman | Tamiyo lulz
Official Anime Enthusiast of [TheCrafters].
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Yeah but that really just proves that Sorin can't replace her anymore (though it's also curious that Sorin only made one as opposed to Serra making so many). After all, it's heavily implied in both the trailer and Sorin's Homecoming that Sorin creating Avacyn was a delicately planned affair.
P.S.
So... how soon can we start recruiting for the Sorin x Avacyn movement?
I can only say only time will tell. I would actually find it interesting if they'd release more Vampire cards (or at least just characters) who support Sorin's view. I actually like the idea of good-aligned vampires (provided they don't remind me of a certain sparkly one too much :rolleyes:). It'd be good if they did the same to some werewolves, skaberen, and even ghoulcallers.
After reading the latest article, I've personally crossed out Mikaeus off my suspects list on who was responsible for Avacyn going MIA.
Or she might have discovered that her mission wasn't to smite all evil, but merely keep a balance.
On your second point, are you suggesting that Avacyn found out and didn't like her role in keeping the balance? Seems a bit of an overreaction to abandon smiting evil (allowing it to overrun good) just because you can't finish it off.
I agree that it is an overreaction; however, it's not the first grand White overreaction to a blight. Serra abandoned her realm because of Phyrexian taint. Radiant wanted to purge the entire realm. Akroma was obsessed. Wrath of God, Day of Judgement, and Catastrophe aren't subtle either. At least from a color wheel perspective, White doesn't want to make a compromise with something against its ideals.
She's an archangel, which doesn't mean she's going to be naturally one of the angels that is going straight for diplomacy but more likely to use force. If she is reflective of her "father' she's black and white and wants balance and to protect humans so she'll have to "fix" the other problems.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.