Are players permitted to intentionally draw just part of a match? For instance, both players want to intentionally draw just game 1, rather than the entire match, to go straight to postboard games. Is this legal?
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The comprehensive rules allow players to concede the game at any time (C.R. 104.3a). If all players concede simultaneously, all players will lose the game, resulting in a draw (C.R. 104.4a).
You are allowed to draw a game. It's not uncommon for players to both mulligan and then agree to "draw to 7" which is effectively drawing game one and starting game two. Contrary to a common belief, matches are played as a first to 2, not best of 3, so even if you draw game one, you still play until time runs out or a player wins 2 games.
If the previous game was a draw, the player who decided to play or draw at the beginning of the drawn game chooses.
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If a game or match is not completed, players may concede or mutually agree to a draw in that game or match.
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If a penalty causes a player to lose the first game in a match before that game has begun, or the first game is intentionally drawn before any cards are played, neither player may use cards from his or her sideboard for the next game in the match.
Posting these for reference to others. IDing games is legal, but if no one has played cards before the draw is accepted then you can NOT board for game 2. Whoever had the option to play or draw in the drawn game retains that option.
Do note that if your judge and/or opponent hates you, the ability to go straight to side-boarded games may be viewed enough of an incentive or reward to apply the appropriate penalty for Cheating - Bribery.
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You are allowed to draw a game. It's not uncommon for players to both mulligan and then agree to "draw to 7" which is effectively drawing game one and starting game two. Contrary to a common belief, matches are played as a first to 2, not best of 3, so even if you draw game one, you still play until time runs out or a player wins 2 games.
Wouldn't this herald the same effect if you play game 1 and 2 rather than 2 and 3?
You are allowed to draw a game. It's not uncommon for players to both mulligan and then agree to "draw to 7" which is effectively drawing game one and starting game two. Contrary to a common belief, matches are played as a first to 2, not best of 3, so even if you draw game one, you still play until time runs out or a player wins 2 games.
Wouldn't this herald the same effect if you play game 1 and 2 rather than 2 and 3?
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to ask here. If you can clarify I'd be happy to answer.
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You are allowed to draw a game. It's not uncommon for players to both mulligan and then agree to "draw to 7" which is effectively drawing game one and starting game two. Contrary to a common belief, matches are played as a first to 2, not best of 3, so even if you draw game one, you still play until time runs out or a player wins 2 games.
Wouldn't this herald the same effect if you play game 1 and 2 rather than 2 and 3?
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to ask here. If you can clarify I'd be happy to answer.
I'm not entirely sure what's going on actually. My understanding is...
Both players draw game 1 in order to start game 2 faster. Winner is determined by whomever wins 2 games first, not best two out of three. However the post by you states players can't sideboard if the first match is a draw before any cards are played.
Since I don't see or understand the benefit of drawing the first game from the get-go, wouldn't the outcome be the same if you simply played, and won, games 1 and 2 instead of drawing game 1 and winning 2 and 3?
If both players mulligan game one, they will sometimes mutually agree to draw game one, and start game two. They both begin game two with seven cards, and have the option to mulligan as normal.
Alternatively, if they wish to 'begin the match' with sideboard, either player can play a land (or any other card or ability), then mutually draw the game. They begin game two with the option of using sideboard.
It is important to keep in mind however, that if you draw one or more games in a match for any reason, the tied games need to be reported in your match record, which can negatively affect tiebreakers or result in you being 'paired down' if there is an odd number of players with your record or better.
For example, if you draw game one, win game two, loose game three, and win game four, your reported record is 2-1-1 (win 2, lose 1, draw 1)..
It generally would not be, in unsanctioned matches. The rule mentioned by "Charm_Master3125" is a Magic Tournament Rule and applies only to sanctioned tournaments. The comprehensive rules, which apply to unsanctioned and sanctioned games, mention sideboards and matches briefly in C.R. 100.4 and 100.6a, respectively, and the comprehensive rules don't contain that particular rule.
Moreover, the phrase "before any cards are played" indicates that, assuming no other restrictions apply, it's enough for one player to play a basic land, say, then for both players to concede the game in order to draw the game and allow the players to use sideboards in the next game.
The magic tournament rules apply to all sanctioned matches, including regular REL like FNM.
Both players draw game 1 in order to start game 2 faster. Winner is determined by whomever wins 2 games first, not best two out of three. However the post by you states players can't sideboard if the first match is a draw before any cards are played.
Matches are always first to 2 wins. If for any reason the players did not take any game actions in the previous match, then sideboards cant be used. I'm not certain if mulliganing is a game action, I'll have to double check that one. This does not only happen when there is a mutual draw, it is also relevent when one player is given a game lose which is carried into thier next match.
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Posting these for reference to others. IDing games is legal, but if no one has played cards before the draw is accepted then you can NOT board for game 2. Whoever had the option to play or draw in the drawn game retains that option.
Do note that if your judge and/or opponent hates you, the ability to go straight to side-boarded games may be viewed enough of an incentive or reward to apply the appropriate penalty for Cheating - Bribery.
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Wouldn't this herald the same effect if you play game 1 and 2 rather than 2 and 3?
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to ask here. If you can clarify I'd be happy to answer.
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I'm not entirely sure what's going on actually. My understanding is...
Both players draw game 1 in order to start game 2 faster. Winner is determined by whomever wins 2 games first, not best two out of three. However the post by you states players can't sideboard if the first match is a draw before any cards are played.
Since I don't see or understand the benefit of drawing the first game from the get-go, wouldn't the outcome be the same if you simply played, and won, games 1 and 2 instead of drawing game 1 and winning 2 and 3?
Alternatively, if they wish to 'begin the match' with sideboard, either player can play a land (or any other card or ability), then mutually draw the game. They begin game two with the option of using sideboard.
It is important to keep in mind however, that if you draw one or more games in a match for any reason, the tied games need to be reported in your match record, which can negatively affect tiebreakers or result in you being 'paired down' if there is an odd number of players with your record or better.
For example, if you draw game one, win game two, loose game three, and win game four, your reported record is 2-1-1 (win 2, lose 1, draw 1)..
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It generally would not be, in unsanctioned matches. The rule mentioned by "Charm_Master3125" is a Magic Tournament Rule and applies only to sanctioned tournaments. The comprehensive rules, which apply to unsanctioned and sanctioned games, mention sideboards and matches briefly in C.R. 100.4 and 100.6a, respectively, and the comprehensive rules don't contain that particular rule.
Moreover, the phrase "before any cards are played" indicates that, assuming no other restrictions apply, it's enough for one player to play a basic land, say, then for both players to concede the game in order to draw the game and allow the players to use sideboards in the next game.
Matches are always first to 2 wins. If for any reason the players did not take any game actions in the previous match, then sideboards cant be used. I'm not certain if mulliganing is a game action, I'll have to double check that one. This does not only happen when there is a mutual draw, it is also relevent when one player is given a game lose which is carried into thier next match.