This is a hypothetical situation that my brother and I were discussing.
So, let's say I control a Puresteel Paladin and I play a Spidersilk Net or some other equipment. Somehow I don't realize that my library has no cards, and I reach my hand down to draw, only to find that there's nothing there. Have I indicated that I wish to use Puresteel Paladins ability to draw, thus losing the game (is it even possible to lose the game this way)? We decided that it was possible to lose this way, but the player would need to verbally announce that they were choosing to attempt to draw. Is this correct?
Its a may, it does not matter when you find out, you can ofcourse try to draw a card from an empty library, but no matter what, you have to actual make sure you want to do so.
Like for any may part, if you just dont say anything and let it go, you automatic choose the "no" option for a may trigger, as its optional, your choice.
If the trigger isnt may, its missed and your opponent can choose to put it on the stack at that moment.
But here the draw is may, so no matter what you do to indicate you are bad at magic (for not knowing your library is empty ;P) , you clearly did not draw the card, you never put a card in your hand and the card never touched another card in your hand (as we still would have a potenial looking at extra cards, if you did no draw it, just looked at it).
Anyway, if someone isnt clear, your opponent should ask, they might assume something, but if someone is odd, its in everyones best interest if they simply ask ;
ala "you draw ?" / "ähm yes" = empty library, dead
But i cant really identify what form of rule would explain all this, so its just my common sence and how it was handled all the time in that regard.
104.3. There are several ways to lose the game. (...)
104.3c If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
If you clearly indicated that you want to draw a card from (apparently) empty library, you try to, and lose next time you'd get priority.
So, let's say I control a Puresteel Paladin and I play a Spidersilk Net or some other equipment. Somehow I don't realize that my library has no cards, and I reach my hand down to draw, only to find that there's nothing there. Have I indicated that I wish to use Puresteel Paladins ability to draw, thus losing the game (is it even possible to lose the game this way)? We decided that it was possible to lose this way, but the player would need to verbally announce that they were choosing to attempt to draw. Is this correct?
Thanks.
Like for any may part, if you just dont say anything and let it go, you automatic choose the "no" option for a may trigger, as its optional, your choice.
If the trigger isnt may, its missed and your opponent can choose to put it on the stack at that moment.
But here the draw is may, so no matter what you do to indicate you are bad at magic (for not knowing your library is empty ;P) , you clearly did not draw the card, you never put a card in your hand and the card never touched another card in your hand (as we still would have a potenial looking at extra cards, if you did no draw it, just looked at it).
Anyway, if someone isnt clear, your opponent should ask, they might assume something, but if someone is odd, its in everyones best interest if they simply ask ;
ala "you draw ?" / "ähm yes" = empty library, dead
But i cant really identify what form of rule would explain all this, so its just my common sence and how it was handled all the time in that regard.
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If you clearly indicated that you want to draw a card from (apparently) empty library, you try to, and lose next time you'd get priority.
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