So Angel of Serenity comes in, opponent response to targets, Ultimate Prices the angel. So no creatures get taken by her and she just hit the yard. Is this correct?
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So Angel of Glories Rise enters, opponent response Ultimate prices, do my humans still come back out? Does her ETB go off? If so how does the rules explain this?
If 1 is correct but 2 isn't why is that? I ways always under the impression ETB went off no matter what, but after seeing the play in situation 1 at an LGS I was confused. Then my friend talked about not being afraid of Humanimator because of situation 2, but I have a hard time believing that's how it works.
1.) Depends. The ETB effect still resolves as normal, so if the controller wishes he can still exile the three targets. If he does so, they can never return as the Angels LTB has already triggered and resolved.
2.) Once again, her ETB effect will resolve as normal, as all abilities exist independent of their sources.
Think of it this way: I throw a hand grenade at you, and in response you shoot me. Yeah, i'm dead, but does my grenade disappear in midair because of that? No, it'll still fly along it's trajectory because it's not tied to my remaining alive.
Abilities in MtG work the same way. Unless the ability specifically says it doesn't work unless the creature is on the battlefield, killing it in response does nothing (see something like Auratouched Mage for an ability that changes if the source is no longer around)
Ultimate Price resolves, killing AoS and sending her to the GY
AoS's leave the battlefield trigger goes on the stack
AoS's leave the battlefield trigger resolves, but nothing happens because nothing is exiled yet
AoS's ETB trigger resolves and up to three other target creatures are exiled
If you Ultimate Price AoS in response to the trigger, the creatures will be permanently exiled. If you don't want that to happen, then UP the Angel after her ETB trigger has resolved.
AoGR's ETB trigger resolves, and zombies are exiled/humans enter the GY
The key to both of these is that abilities, once activated or triggered, exist independent of their source. If they're already on the stack, then they'll resolve even if their source is destroyed.
Ultimate Price resolves, killing AoS and sending her to the GY
AoS's leave the battlefield trigger goes on the stack
AoS's leave the battlefield trigger resolves, but nothing happens because nothing is exiled yet
AoS's ETB trigger resolves and up to three other target creatures are exiled
If you Ultimate Price AoS in response to the trigger, the creatures will be permanently exiled. If you don't want that to happen, then UP the Angel after her ETB trigger has resolved.
Don't forget that AoS has a "May" ability, so exiling is not mandatory.
Ultimate Price resolves, killing AoS and sending her to the GY
AoS's leave the battlefield trigger goes on the stack
AoS's leave the battlefield trigger resolves, but nothing happens because nothing is exiled yet
AoS's ETB trigger resolves and up to three other target creatures are exiled
If you Ultimate Price AoS in response to the trigger, the creatures will be permanently exiled. If you don't want that to happen, then UP the Angel after her ETB trigger has resolved.
AoGR's ETB trigger resolves, and zombies are exiled/humans enter the GY
The key to both of these is that abilities, once activated or triggered, exist independent of their source. If they're already on the stack, then they'll resolve even if their source is destroyed.
Thank you so much for this explanation. So basically if I'm understanding this correctly, UP against the Humanimator deck stops the combo by not allowing Fiend Hunter to exile AoGR but doesn't stop all the humans from coming back from the grave.
Thank you so much for this explanation. So basically if I'm understanding this correctly, UP against the Humanimator deck stops the combo by not allowing Fiend Hunter to exile AoGR but doesn't stop all the humans from coming back from the grave.
Yep, if you kill AoGR in response to her trigger, then she'll be long gone by the time Fiend Hunter enters from the graveyard.
Again.
So Angel of Glories Rise enters, opponent response Ultimate prices, do my humans still come back out? Does her ETB go off? If so how does the rules explain this?
If 1 is correct but 2 isn't why is that? I ways always under the impression ETB went off no matter what, but after seeing the play in situation 1 at an LGS I was confused. Then my friend talked about not being afraid of Humanimator because of situation 2, but I have a hard time believing that's how it works.
Can anybody explain?
Standard:
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"Some convictions are so strong that the world must break to accommodate them."
1.) Depends. The ETB effect still resolves as normal, so if the controller wishes he can still exile the three targets. If he does so, they can never return as the Angels LTB has already triggered and resolved.
2.) Once again, her ETB effect will resolve as normal, as all abilities exist independent of their sources.
Think of it this way: I throw a hand grenade at you, and in response you shoot me. Yeah, i'm dead, but does my grenade disappear in midair because of that? No, it'll still fly along it's trajectory because it's not tied to my remaining alive.
Abilities in MtG work the same way. Unless the ability specifically says it doesn't work unless the creature is on the battlefield, killing it in response does nothing (see something like Auratouched Mage for an ability that changes if the source is no longer around)
If you Ultimate Price AoS in response to the trigger, the creatures will be permanently exiled. If you don't want that to happen, then UP the Angel after her ETB trigger has resolved.
2. Angel of Glory's Rise: similar events occur as in scenario 1:
The key to both of these is that abilities, once activated or triggered, exist independent of their source. If they're already on the stack, then they'll resolve even if their source is destroyed.
Don't forget that AoS has a "May" ability, so exiling is not mandatory.
Thank you so much for this explanation. So basically if I'm understanding this correctly, UP against the Humanimator deck stops the combo by not allowing Fiend Hunter to exile AoGR but doesn't stop all the humans from coming back from the grave.
Standard:
GBWAggressive Junk TokensGBW
"Some convictions are so strong that the world must break to accommodate them."
Yep, if you kill AoGR in response to her trigger, then she'll be long gone by the time Fiend Hunter enters from the graveyard.
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