So I play at this pretty casual store for my FNMs. Problem is, If i ever lose a game, I lose more points than I would gather in 2 weeks. This situation is quite annoying considering im in the first 2 pages of my state. Can I make a different DCI number using the same information as the one I have right now? Of course, I would never use them both at the same event.
How about player awards? Can I transfer my points to my original number?
Tournament participants must provide their DCI number to the Scorekeeper during registration. Players without a DCI number must request one from the Tournament Organizer. There is no cost associated with joining the DCI, but members are only allowed one DCI number. Results containing temporary player numbers, temporary player names, or placeholders may not be reported to the DCI.
Let me get one thing straight with you. When Condor and an official ruling disagree, 50% of the time the official ruling gets reversed later. The other 50% of the time, the rules get clarified/changed to make the ruling right when it really wasn't before.
So I play at this pretty casual store for my FNMs. Problem is, If i ever lose a game, I lose more points than I would gather in 2 weeks. This situation is quite annoying considering im in the first 2 pages of my state. Can I make a different DCI number using the same information as the one I have right now? Of course, I would never use them both at the same event.
How about player awards? Can I transfer my points to my original number?
This is very very not allowed. It's the categorical definition of fraud. In fact, it's the first example given in the Infraction Procedure Guide:
6.2. Cheating — Fraud
Definition
A person intentionally and knowingly violates or misrepresents rules, procedures, personal information, or any other relevant tournament information. Note that Fraud, like most cheating, is determined by an investigation and will often appear on the surface as a Game Play Error or Tournament Error.
Additionally, it is Fraud if a player (or teammate) notices an offense in their match and does not immediately call attention to it.
Examples A. A player enters a tournament under an assumed name and/or using a different DCI number in an attempt to manipulate ratings.
B. A player alters the results of a match after the match is over.
C. A player lies to a tournament official to gain or keep an advantage.
D. A player lies to his opponent about his life total.
E. A player observes his opponent or teammate make an illegal play but does not call a judge because it is to his advantage.
F. A spectator gives false or misleading information to a tournament official that helps another player to cheat.
Philosophy
There will be zero tolerance for this type of activity. One does not need to be a player in a game to commit Fraud. In particular, teammates observing a game are expected to point out problems and call a judge to help if required.
A player must be aware that he or she has committed an error in representation in order for the infraction to be Fraud. For example, a player targeting a black creature with Terror has not committed Fraud if he or she forgot that Terror can not target black creatures, even though the action (playing Terror) was intentional and illegal. It is Fraud if a judge believes he or she was aware and hoping that his or her opponent would miss it.
Penalty
All Levels
Disqualification
Additionally, there will be an investigation by the DCI and you may be banned from playing in tournaments for a period of time, or possibly for ever. Do not do this.
The only time you should ever use a second DCI number is if, for whatever reason, you cannot remember your number and the TO can't find your number when you register. (Since Reporter has an index of all active accounts this should happen rarely.)
Should this happen you can get a second DCI number, but it is incumbent upon you to contact DCI Customer Service as soon as possible to find your old DCI number and merge the results from your new DCI number into it.
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Thank you guys. Eventhough i'm not trying to fraud anyone I just don't like losing 8 points per lost.
While i'm here, I have another question.
About a year ago, I had somewhere between 3 different DCI numbers because I kept losing them (thats no joke). So I contacted wizards through email for a request to merge them all into one for my award points. Apparently, the guy I spoke to said they commonly had people merging their numbers so I kind of find it hard to believe that it's considered like fraud if you're ''aware'' of what you're doing
Can someone please tell me how it's fraud if all you want is not losing points at a casual tourny?
I'm not denying it, I just what to know WHY it counts as fraud if I want to use a different account for some events?
Because neither DCI number will be truly representative of your entire history of tournament play. Invites to some tournaments are based on your rating, and your true combined rating across all your DCI numbers may not be good enough to get you in.
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What is nice is that your record is not an average of all the games you've ever played, it is based upon how you fare against your opponents and their rating at each point in time.
Over a long enough timeline, your rating will almost directly mirror your skill level. If you keep losing rating points to "casual" players, then your skill level is probably not as high as you would like it to be.
Don't try to cheat the system, just play seriously whenever DCI ratings are involved. Your ratings will reflect how well you play.
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Because neither DCI number will be truly representative of your entire history of tournament play. Invites to some tournaments are based on your rating, and your true combined rating across all your DCI numbers may not be good enough to get you in.
And that answers my question. Thank you all of you
Can someone please tell me how it's fraud if all you want is not losing points at a casual tourny?
If it's a DCI-rated tournament, then it's not casual. The word "casual" can mean many things to many people, but the one thing it always means is "not DCI-rated."
If your rating is that much higher than theirs that it dips 8 points for a match loss, then you should (theoretically) be winning 8 points worth of matches for every one you lose. If you're not, then you're not that much better than them to account for the difference in your ratings. Using a different DCI number to manipulate those ratings is exactly what you are suggesting, and is explicitly against the rules and the spirit of the game they represent.
If you want to play "casual" decks and not be punished for losing, then you'll have to do so outside of DCI-sanctioned tournaments. But look at it this way: the higher your rating is to start, you will gain less for a win and lose more for a loss. The lower your rating, the more you gain and less you lose. If you lose a few points here and there, then you'll just gain that many more for the matches you win and vice versa. In the long run, your rating will approach the same value, regardless of your starting point. Of course, you should always do your best to succeed, but don't put so much importance on the number. In the end, it's your overall performance that determines your rating, and individual matches don't really count for much at all, if anything.
My DCI card is in rough shape. How do I go about getting a new one?
Sign up for MPR and then go play in at least 5 tournaments (FNM counts!). Then, in a few months when they send out your promo cards, you'll get a shiny new plastic one with your name and number printed onto it.
[Edit]: You'll need to enter your number to sign up, though, so I hope you can still read the old one, or at least remember what your number is...if you can't then you can contact www.wizards.com/customerservice with your name and address and they should be able to tell you the number.
How about player awards? Can I transfer my points to my original number?
Yeah can't have more than 1 DCI number
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This is very very not allowed. It's the categorical definition of fraud. In fact, it's the first example given in the Infraction Procedure Guide:
Additionally, there will be an investigation by the DCI and you may be banned from playing in tournaments for a period of time, or possibly for ever. Do not do this.
Should this happen you can get a second DCI number, but it is incumbent upon you to contact DCI Customer Service as soon as possible to find your old DCI number and merge the results from your new DCI number into it.
Enough said
Thank you guys. Eventhough i'm not trying to fraud anyone I just don't like losing 8 points per lost.
While i'm here, I have another question.
About a year ago, I had somewhere between 3 different DCI numbers because I kept losing them (thats no joke). So I contacted wizards through email for a request to merge them all into one for my award points. Apparently, the guy I spoke to said they commonly had people merging their numbers so I kind of find it hard to believe that it's considered like fraud if you're ''aware'' of what you're doing
Can someone please tell me how it's fraud if all you want is not losing points at a casual tourny?
EDIT: Thread reopened by OP request as he has additional questions related to the original issue.
Please keep conversation related to the topic of the original post.
Thank you for re-opening my thread.
My real question wasn't to know what, but why
I'm not denying it, I just what to know WHY it counts as fraud if I want to use a different account for some events?
Because neither DCI number will be truly representative of your entire history of tournament play. Invites to some tournaments are based on your rating, and your true combined rating across all your DCI numbers may not be good enough to get you in.
Over a long enough timeline, your rating will almost directly mirror your skill level. If you keep losing rating points to "casual" players, then your skill level is probably not as high as you would like it to be.
Don't try to cheat the system, just play seriously whenever DCI ratings are involved. Your ratings will reflect how well you play.
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If it's a DCI-rated tournament, then it's not casual. The word "casual" can mean many things to many people, but the one thing it always means is "not DCI-rated."
If your rating is that much higher than theirs that it dips 8 points for a match loss, then you should (theoretically) be winning 8 points worth of matches for every one you lose. If you're not, then you're not that much better than them to account for the difference in your ratings. Using a different DCI number to manipulate those ratings is exactly what you are suggesting, and is explicitly against the rules and the spirit of the game they represent.
If you want to play "casual" decks and not be punished for losing, then you'll have to do so outside of DCI-sanctioned tournaments. But look at it this way: the higher your rating is to start, you will gain less for a win and lose more for a loss. The lower your rating, the more you gain and less you lose. If you lose a few points here and there, then you'll just gain that many more for the matches you win and vice versa. In the long run, your rating will approach the same value, regardless of your starting point. Of course, you should always do your best to succeed, but don't put so much importance on the number. In the end, it's your overall performance that determines your rating, and individual matches don't really count for much at all, if anything.
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Contact WotC if you want a new one, although it's not really necessary as long as you know your DCI number.
Sign up for MPR and then go play in at least 5 tournaments (FNM counts!). Then, in a few months when they send out your promo cards, you'll get a shiny new plastic one with your name and number printed onto it.
[Edit]: You'll need to enter your number to sign up, though, so I hope you can still read the old one, or at least remember what your number is...if you can't then you can contact www.wizards.com/customerservice with your name and address and they should be able to tell you the number.