I have two related questions about permanents that have a triggered ability of the type "When this is put into a graveyard from play".
1. If such a permanent loses that ability while in play, say, because of Humility, does the ability trigger when the permanent is put into the graveyard because the ability came back while the card was "on its way" to the bin ?
2. Does Yixlid Jailer prevent those abilities from triggering ?
Basically, what I wanna know is if removing such abilities either in play or in the graveyard prevent them from triggering.
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I have two related questions about permanents that have a triggered ability of the type "When this is put into a graveyard from play".
1. If such a permanent loses that ability while in play, say, because of Humility, does the ability trigger when the permanent is put into the graveyard because the ability came back while the card was "on its way" to the bin ?
2. Does Yixlid Jailer prevent those abilities from triggering ?
Basically, what I wanna know is if removing such abilities either in play or in the graveyard prevent them from triggering.
Abilities that trigger on an object leaving play are checked just before the object leaves play. So Humility will keep them from triggering, but Yixlid Jailer will not.
I'm not sure I understand the difference between "Put into Graveyard from PLAY" and "Put into Graveyard from ANYWHERE" abilities. (such as Purity) Does Yixlid Jailer shut one of these down but not the other?
And what about replacement effects, such as Legacy Weapon? How does the Jailer effect these?
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I'm not sure I understand the difference between "Put into Graveyard from PLAY" and "Put into Graveyard from ANYWHERE" abilities. (such as Purity) Does Yixlid Jailer shut one of these down but not the other?
And what about replacement effects, such as Legacy Weapon? How does the Jailer effect these?
looked at gatherer under yixlid jailer. Found the answers to everything I just asked. go me. Thanks though!
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The Jailer shuts down "put into graveyard" triggers unless they have the "from play" addition.
Actually? The "from play" in all those triggers isn't necessary, and may not be there on some cards (I think all oracle texts are updated, but do you really look at it for every card you play with? Would you notice "from play" not being there?). It is essentially reminder text. It also isn't there on cardsthatmightget put into the graveyard at the same time as the one that might trigger it. Those don't, in general, say "from play;" but work the same w.r.t. Humility and Jailer.
The way to recognize the ones that the Jailer affects and Humility ignores, is that they say have to say "from <any zone except play>." This includes "from anywhere."
Actually? The "from play" in all those triggers isn't necessary, and may not be there on some cards (I think all oracle texts are updated, but do you really look at it for every card you play with? Would you notice "from play" not being there?). It is essentially reminder text. It also isn't there on cardsthatmightget put into the graveyard at the same time as the one that might trigger it. Those don't, in general, say "from play;" but work the same w.r.t. Humility and Jailer.
The way to recognize the ones that the Jailer affects and Humility ignores, is that they say have to say "from <any zone except play>." This includes "from anywhere."
Well, I notice all of your examples are talking about creatures the card has some relation to or effect on, none of them have self-referential graveyard abilities. Creatures are only creatures in play, so obviously all of those effects involve "graveyard from play," it just doesn't need to be stated becasue what it affects only really exists in play. (IE Creatures that aren't in play are creature cards, not creatures)
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Well, I notice all of your examples are talking about creatures the card has some relation to or effect on, none of them have self-referential graveyard abilities.
Isn't that what I said? And I also said that it may be printed differently on the actual card for the other kind - what you will actually see unless you play online (or use a computer to verify every card's Oracle wording). Essentially, there are two ways to detect this sort of thing. Mine works always, this other one can fail.
Creatures are only creatures in play,...
Right - and a triggered ability that refers to the card it is on only works in play, unless something makes it an exception. We are saying the same things.
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1. If such a permanent loses that ability while in play, say, because of Humility, does the ability trigger when the permanent is put into the graveyard because the ability came back while the card was "on its way" to the bin ?
2. Does Yixlid Jailer prevent those abilities from triggering ?
Basically, what I wanna know is if removing such abilities either in play or in the graveyard prevent them from triggering.
Abilities that trigger on an object leaving play are checked just before the object leaves play. So Humility will keep them from triggering, but Yixlid Jailer will not.
And what about replacement effects, such as Legacy Weapon? How does the Jailer effect these?
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
looked at gatherer under yixlid jailer. Found the answers to everything I just asked. go me. Thanks though!
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Actually? The "from play" in all those triggers isn't necessary, and may not be there on some cards (I think all oracle texts are updated, but do you really look at it for every card you play with? Would you notice "from play" not being there?). It is essentially reminder text. It also isn't there on cards that might get put into the graveyard at the same time as the one that might trigger it. Those don't, in general, say "from play;" but work the same w.r.t. Humility and Jailer.
The way to recognize the ones that the Jailer affects and Humility ignores, is that they say have to say "from <any zone except play>." This includes "from anywhere."
Well, I notice all of your examples are talking about creatures the card has some relation to or effect on, none of them have self-referential graveyard abilities. Creatures are only creatures in play, so obviously all of those effects involve "graveyard from play," it just doesn't need to be stated becasue what it affects only really exists in play. (IE Creatures that aren't in play are creature cards, not creatures)
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Isn't that what I said? And I also said that it may be printed differently on the actual card for the other kind - what you will actually see unless you play online (or use a computer to verify every card's Oracle wording). Essentially, there are two ways to detect this sort of thing. Mine works always, this other one can fail.
Right - and a triggered ability that refers to the card it is on only works in play, unless something makes it an exception. We are saying the same things.