Say I have Secluded Courtyard in play, naming Human. Can I use it to produce colored mana for the purpose of casting an Adventure, if the creature's part is Human? For example, produce W to cast Usher to Safety, which is the Instant part of Shepherd of the Flock?
I've searched the rules, and found this : "Adventure spells only exist on the stack. In all other zones, the characteristics of an adventure are ignored; only the characteristics of the creature card apply."
This seems to mean that the card is considered a Human in my hand, and thus could tap Secluded Courtyard to cast it, whatever part of the card I wish to cast. But this seems to be contradicted by : "When casting an adventurer card as an Adventure, only the alternative characteristics are evaluated to see if it can be cast."
I guess I can't use Secluded Courtyard that way (or Unclaimed Territory, or Cavern of Souls), but I really want to make certain before I miss a precious interaction I'm not aware of.
PART TWO :
I play Hostage Taker to kidnap a Bonecrusher Giant. While in exile, can I cast the Adventure part of the spell? And if I do, will I be able to follow up by casting the creature part of the spell to put a 4/3 on the battlefield under my control? Will I have to pay the exact mana cost of 2R, or the Hostage Taker's ability still apply and I can pay with any mana? Does this change of zone (from the exile of Hostage Taker to the exile of the Adventure) means that my opponent retakes control of the card and I can't cast the creature, but my opponent can?
PART TWO-POINT-ONE :
Sub-question to the above : What happens if I use Hostage Taker to kidnap a flipped Reflection of Kiki-Jiki? I guess I can cast the saga, but what happens on stage III? Will it exile and come back as a creature under my control? Or under my opponent's control?
Say I have Secluded Courtyard in play, naming Human. Can I use it to produce colored mana for the purpose of casting an Adventure, if the creature's part is Human? For example, produce W to cast Usher to Safety, which is the Instant part of Shepherd of the Flock?
I've searched the rules, and found this : "Adventure spells only exist on the stack. In all other zones, the characteristics of an adventure are ignored; only the characteristics of the creature card apply."
This seems to mean that the card is considered a Human in my hand, and thus could tap Secluded Courtyard to cast it, whatever part of the card I wish to cast. But this seems to be contradicted by : "When casting an adventurer card as an Adventure, only the alternative characteristics are evaluated to see if it can be cast."
I guess I can't use Secluded Courtyard that way (or Unclaimed Territory, or Cavern of Souls), but I really want to make certain before I miss a precious interaction I'm not aware of.
The first thing you do whan casting a spell, is to put it on the stack. And as you said, on the stack, the adventure card only has the characteristics of the Adventure half (or the creature half if you are casting that one, of course). The Adventure is not a [creature type], so any such lands and cards with similar restrictions on using the mana they produce, cannot be used to pay for that spell.
PART TWO :
I play Hostage Taker to kidnap a Bonecrusher Giant. While in exile, can I cast the Adventure part of the spell? And if I do, will I be able to follow up by casting the creature part of the spell to put a 4/3 on the battlefield under my control? Will I have to pay the exact mana cost of 2R, or the Hostage Taker's ability still apply and I can pay with any mana? Does this change of zone (from the exile of Hostage Taker to the exile of the Adventure) means that my opponent retakes control of the card and I can't cast the creature, but my opponent can?
Yes, you can cast the Adventure or the creature while the card is still exiled by Hostage taker, and you can spend mana as any type for that spell. But once it leaves exile, which is does when you cast the card, it is no longer exiled by Hostage Taker. So when casting the Adventure first, you can spend mana freely regardless of type, and you have to pay the normal cost for the creature when you want to cast that one later, after it gets exiled again by the Adventure. Which yes, you can do, it may be your opponent's card, but you sent it on the Adventure, so you (and only you) get to cast the creature from it.
PART TWO-POINT-ONE :
Sub-question to the above : What happens if I use Hostage Taker to kidnap a flipped Reflection of Kiki-Jiki? I guess I can cast the saga, but what happens on stage III? Will it exile and come back as a creature under my control? Or under my opponent's control?
Yes, you can cast the saga. And read the card: it says to return it under your control.
Yes, you can cast the saga. And read the card: it says to return it under your control.
Yeah... In that context, my question seems pretty dumb. I was just confused if it really applied to that specific context, since I recall you could flicker a stolen creature so it returns to the battlefield under it's owner's control. I was wondering if that kind of exile effect from Fable of the Mirror-Breaker applied here.
Say I have Secluded Courtyard in play, naming Human. Can I use it to produce colored mana for the purpose of casting an Adventure, if the creature's part is Human? For example, produce W to cast Usher to Safety, which is the Instant part of Shepherd of the Flock?
I've searched the rules, and found this : "Adventure spells only exist on the stack. In all other zones, the characteristics of an adventure are ignored; only the characteristics of the creature card apply."
This seems to mean that the card is considered a Human in my hand, and thus could tap Secluded Courtyard to cast it, whatever part of the card I wish to cast. But this seems to be contradicted by : "When casting an adventurer card as an Adventure, only the alternative characteristics are evaluated to see if it can be cast."
I guess I can't use Secluded Courtyard that way (or Unclaimed Territory, or Cavern of Souls), but I really want to make certain before I miss a precious interaction I'm not aware of.
PART TWO :
I play Hostage Taker to kidnap a Bonecrusher Giant. While in exile, can I cast the Adventure part of the spell? And if I do, will I be able to follow up by casting the creature part of the spell to put a 4/3 on the battlefield under my control? Will I have to pay the exact mana cost of 2R, or the Hostage Taker's ability still apply and I can pay with any mana? Does this change of zone (from the exile of Hostage Taker to the exile of the Adventure) means that my opponent retakes control of the card and I can't cast the creature, but my opponent can?
PART TWO-POINT-ONE :
Sub-question to the above : What happens if I use Hostage Taker to kidnap a flipped Reflection of Kiki-Jiki? I guess I can cast the saga, but what happens on stage III? Will it exile and come back as a creature under my control? Or under my opponent's control?
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The first thing you do whan casting a spell, is to put it on the stack. And as you said, on the stack, the adventure card only has the characteristics of the Adventure half (or the creature half if you are casting that one, of course). The Adventure is not a [creature type], so any such lands and cards with similar restrictions on using the mana they produce, cannot be used to pay for that spell.
Yes, you can cast the Adventure or the creature while the card is still exiled by Hostage taker, and you can spend mana as any type for that spell. But once it leaves exile, which is does when you cast the card, it is no longer exiled by Hostage Taker. So when casting the Adventure first, you can spend mana freely regardless of type, and you have to pay the normal cost for the creature when you want to cast that one later, after it gets exiled again by the Adventure. Which yes, you can do, it may be your opponent's card, but you sent it on the Adventure, so you (and only you) get to cast the creature from it.
Yes, you can cast the saga. And read the card: it says to return it under your control.
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Yeah... In that context, my question seems pretty dumb. I was just confused if it really applied to that specific context, since I recall you could flicker a stolen creature so it returns to the battlefield under it's owner's control. I was wondering if that kind of exile effect from Fable of the Mirror-Breaker applied here.
1st, GP Toronto Sunday Super Series 2016 : Ally Company RWBG
Top 8, PPTQ Shadows over Innistrad : Boros Humans WR.
Use a hypergeometric calculator for your deckbuilding maths,
and use TopDecked to manage your decks and collection on your Apple or Android device.