Hello there players on MTG Salvation, I would like to seek your views on MTG rulings on a few card interactions.
May I check how would these cards resolve?
1. Mocking doppelganger has copied an Angel of Serenity, Vesuvan Duplimancy is subsequently played, and an aura is enchanted onto Mocking Doppelganger. Does the token spawned take mocking doppelganger original effect or Angel of Serenity's effect or Angel of Serenity's effect with partial Mocking Doppelganger effect of Goad?
2. Secondly, Green Sun's Zenith is played, X value 9 is declared while the immortal sun is on the field, opponent adds return to dust on the stack to take out immortal sun, does Green Sun Zenith search for X value 9 or X value 8 creature to put onto the field?
Thanks in advance.
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1. Mocking doppelganger has copied an Angel of Serenity, Vesuvan Duplimancy is subsequently played, and an aura is enchanted onto Mocking Doppelganger. Does the token spawned take mocking doppelganger original effect or Angel of Serenity's effect or Angel of Serenity's effect with partial Mocking Doppelganger effect of Goad?
Yes. The Goading ability is granted as part of the copy effect to the Doppelganger. This makes it part of its copiable values, and thus a copy of that will have the Goading ability as well.
2. Secondly, Green Sun's Zenith is played, X value 9 is declared while the immortal sun is on the field, opponent adds return to dust on the stack to take out immortal sun, does Green Sun Zenith search for X value 9 or X value 8 creature to put onto the field?
The value for X is chosen and the payment for the spell are both done during the casting process. By the time any player can respond those things are fixed and done. Removing a cost reduction effect or adding a cost increaser and such won't affect a spell that's already been cast, even if it has yet to resolve.
If I copy a Angel of Serenity with Mocking Doppelganger, and I vesuvan duplimancy it with an aura, I will create a copy of Angel of Serenity with the additional effect of goading? And any further copies from me vesuvan duplimancing the copies, would result in copies of angel of serenity with the same additional effect of goading?
Yes. Though note, that since all your Doppelganger copies and the Doppelganger itself have that ability, all those creatures of yours, because they share the same name, are goaded as well. You controlling the source of the goading does not make your creatures immune to it. They will all have to attack if able.
May I check how would these cards resolve?
1. Mocking doppelganger has copied an Angel of Serenity, Vesuvan Duplimancy is subsequently played, and an aura is enchanted onto Mocking Doppelganger. Does the token spawned take mocking doppelganger original effect or Angel of Serenity's effect or Angel of Serenity's effect with partial Mocking Doppelganger effect of Goad?
2. Secondly, Green Sun's Zenith is played, X value 9 is declared while the immortal sun is on the field, opponent adds return to dust on the stack to take out immortal sun, does Green Sun Zenith search for X value 9 or X value 8 creature to put onto the field?
Thanks in advance.
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Yes. The Goading ability is granted as part of the copy effect to the Doppelganger. This makes it part of its copiable values, and thus a copy of that will have the Goading ability as well.
The value for X is chosen and the payment for the spell are both done during the casting process. By the time any player can respond those things are fixed and done. Removing a cost reduction effect or adding a cost increaser and such won't affect a spell that's already been cast, even if it has yet to resolve.
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If I copy a Angel of Serenity with Mocking Doppelganger, and I vesuvan duplimancy it with an aura, I will create a copy of Angel of Serenity with the additional effect of goading? And any further copies from me vesuvan duplimancing the copies, would result in copies of angel of serenity with the same additional effect of goading?
Former Rules Advisor
"Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge
(The Gamers: Dorkness Rising)
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)