Magus of the order is on the field and activate his ability, can I call or bring Ramos, Dragon Engine according to his ability? Since it is considered a green creature or what does the identity of color mean?
Magus of the order is on the field and activate his ability, can I call or bring Ramos, Dragon Engine according to his ability?
No, because Ramos is not a green creature card.
202.2. An object is the color or colors of the mana symbols in its mana cost, regardless of the color of
its frame.
202.2a The five colors are white, blue, black, red, and green. The white mana symbol is represented
by W, blue by U, black by B, red by R, and green by G.
Example: An object with a mana cost of 2W is white, an object with a mana cost of 2
is colorless, and one with a mana cost of 2WB is both white and black.
202.2b Objects with no colored mana symbols in their mana costs are colorless.
202.2c An object with two or more different colored mana symbols in its mana cost is each of the
colors of those mana symbols. Most multicolored cards are printed with a gold frame, but this is
not a requirement for a card to be multicolored.
202.2d An object with one or more hybrid mana symbols and/or Phyrexian mana symbols in its
mana cost is all of the colors of those mana symbols, in addition to any other colors the object
might be. (Most cards with hybrid mana symbols in their mana costs are printed in a two-tone
frame. See rule 107.4e.)
202.2e An object may have a color indicator printed to the left of the type line. That object is each
color denoted by that color indicator. (See rule 204.)
202.2f Effects may change an object’s color, give a color to a colorless object, or make a colored
object become colorless; see rule 105.3.
Since it is considered a green creature or what does the identity of color mean?
It is not considered a green creature (unless it has been hit by something like Lifelace after being cast or otherwise brought out). Color identity is a concept from Commander games. It is used only for deck building and for a few cards that explicitly reference it, e.g., Command Tower's "T: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.". Magus of the Order's ability has nothing to do with color identity.
903.4. The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a
certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that
card’s mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see
rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204).
Example: Bosh, Iron Golem is a legendary artifact creature with mana cost 8 and the
ability “3R, Sacrifice an artifact: Bosh, Iron Golem deals damage equal to the
sacrificed artifact’s mana value to any target.” Bosh’s color identity is red.
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An object's colors are not to be confused with its color identity. Determining a card's color identity looks at the mana symbols in the card's rules text, but determining an object's colors does not (compare C.R. 903.4 with C.R. 202.2; see also C.R. 207.1), and if it's a double-faced card, determining its color identity looks at both its faces (C.R. 903.4d, 903.4). An object's color identity is not what Magus of the Order cares about, though — compare with Command Tower.
In conclusion, Ramos is not a green creature, but in commander games his color identity could be considered green, if he is my commander. Also for cards that are double-faced, like Archangel Avacyn , is he considered a red and white creature?
In conclusion, Ramos is not a green creature, but in commander games his color identity could be considered green, if he is my commander.
In commander games, its color identify is white, blue, black, red, and green, regardless of whether or not that card is the commander. If it is not the commander, the actual commander will need to have all those colors in its color identity [CR 903.5c].
Also for cards that are double-faced, like Archangel Avacyn , is he considered a red and white creature?
No. While the front face is up, the color is only white. While the back face is up, the color is only red. [CR 202.2-202.2f]
712.4c While a transforming double-faced permanent has its front face up, it has only the
characteristics of its front face.
712.4d While a transforming double-faced permanent has its back face up, it has only the
characteristics of its back face. However, its mana value is calculated using the mana cost of its
front face. If a permanent is copying the back face of a transforming double-faced card (even if
the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the mana value of that permanent
is 0.
Avacyn's color identity is white and red, but color identity only matters for commander deck legality and for cards like Command Tower (if it is the commander).
903.5c A card can be included in a Commander deck only if every color in its color identity is also
found in the color identity of the deck’s commander.
[c]Ramos, Dragon Engine[/c] -> Ramos, Dragon Engine
No, because Ramos is not a green creature card.
It is not considered a green creature (unless it has been hit by something like Lifelace after being cast or otherwise brought out). Color identity is a concept from Commander games. It is used only for deck building and for a few cards that explicitly reference it, e.g., Command Tower's "T: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity.". Magus of the Order's ability has nothing to do with color identity.
An object's colors are not to be confused with its color identity. Determining a card's color identity looks at the mana symbols in the card's rules text, but determining an object's colors does not (compare C.R. 903.4 with C.R. 202.2; see also C.R. 207.1), and if it's a double-faced card, determining its color identity looks at both its faces (C.R. 903.4d, 903.4). An object's color identity is not what Magus of the Order cares about, though — compare with Command Tower.
In commander games, its color identify is white, blue, black, red, and green, regardless of whether or not that card is the commander. If it is not the commander, the actual commander will need to have all those colors in its color identity [CR 903.5c].
No. While the front face is up, the color is only white. While the back face is up, the color is only red. [CR 202.2-202.2f]
Avacyn's color identity is white and red, but color identity only matters for commander deck legality and for cards like Command Tower (if it is the commander).