Lets say I have Child of Alara, Ashaya, Soul of the Wild and Animar, Soul of Elements all on the board.
If Child was to die would I also loose the other two creatures or does Ashayas ability making itself and Animar both forest lands in addition to their other types keep them from being killed by Alaras destroy all nonland permanents.
Then to complicate things more lets also say I also have Sol Ring, March of the Machines and Mycosynth Lattice
SO the Sol Ring, Marche of the Machines and Mycosynth Lattice are all now artifact creatures do they become lands even though its March of the Machines making them creatures, and then by the same note do they live or die to Child of Alara dying?
The more I read it the more it sounds like they are safe but I want to be sure. Sure this sounds like some crazy mess when all I need is a Darksteel Forge but it answers questions regarding interactions with other spells and abilities I have encountered or thought up....
Lets say I have Child of Alara, Ashaya, Soul of the Wild and Animar, Soul of Elements all on the board.
If Child was to die would I also loose the other two creatures or does Ashayas ability making itself and Animar both forest lands in addition to their other types keep them from being killed by Alaras destroy all nonland permanents.
They are lands, therefore they aren't nonlands, therefore they aren't destroyed by Child of Alara's ability.
Then to complicate things more lets also say I also have Sol Ring, March of the Machines and Mycosynth Lattice
SO the Sol Ring, Marche of the Machines and Mycosynth Lattice are all now artifact creatures do they become lands even though its March of the Machines making them creatures, and then by the same note do they live or die to Child of Alara dying?
They are creatures, therefore Ashaya also makes them lands. Ashaya doesn't care why they are creatures, just that they are.
And because they are lands, they aren't nonlands and aren't destroyed by Child.
Lets say I have Child of Alara, Ashaya, Soul of the Wild and Animar, Soul of Elements all on the board.
If Child was to die would I also loose the other two creatures or does Ashayas ability making itself and Animar both forest lands in addition to their other types keep them from being killed by Alaras destroy all nonland permanents.
Those will be fine for the reason stated: they are lands, and thus not nonlands. What matters here are the final characteristics, not the starting ones.
Then to complicate things more lets also say I also have Sol Ring, March of the Machines and Mycosynth Lattice
SO the Sol Ring, Marche of the Machines and Mycosynth Lattice are all now artifact creatures do they become lands even though its March of the Machines making them creatures, and then by the same note do they live or die to Child of Alara dying?
Lets start by examining dependencies:
a) March depends on Lattice, since the later changes what the former applies to, but only if there is another noncreature artifact nonartifact under your control, which in this case is the Sol RingMarch of the Machines itself as well as all normal lands (though there shouldn't be any due to them being creatures with 0 toughness as soon as both cards are on the field). Without that, there wouldn't be dependency between those two cards.
b) Ashaya depends on March, since the later changes what the former applies to. The presence of Lattice makes that a certainty as it starts out as a noncreature artifact.
We'll keep those in mind as we go step by step applying the three effects.
1) We have three effects: Lattice, March, and Ashaya. Lattice is independent. March depends on Lattice, so cannot be first. Ashaya depends on March, so cannot be first either. Leaving Lattice as the first effect to apply. Every permanent is now also an artifact.
2) We have two remaining effects: March, and Ashaya. Ashaya still depends on March, so March goes next. Sol Ring, March, and Lattice are now artifact creatures.
3) One effect remains: Ashaya. We apply it and Sol Ring, Lattice, March, Animar, and Ashaya are now also lands.
With all those permanents being lands, Child of Alara's trigger does not destroy them.
If Child was to die would I also loose the other two creatures or does Ashayas ability making itself and Animar both forest lands in addition to their other types keep them from being killed by Alaras destroy all nonland permanents.
Then to complicate things more lets also say I also have Sol Ring, March of the Machines and Mycosynth Lattice
SO the Sol Ring, Marche of the Machines and Mycosynth Lattice are all now artifact creatures do they become lands even though its March of the Machines making them creatures, and then by the same note do they live or die to Child of Alara dying?
The more I read it the more it sounds like they are safe but I want to be sure. Sure this sounds like some crazy mess when all I need is a Darksteel Forge but it answers questions regarding interactions with other spells and abilities I have encountered or thought up....
They are lands, therefore they aren't nonlands, therefore they aren't destroyed by Child of Alara's ability.
They are creatures, therefore Ashaya also makes them lands. Ashaya doesn't care why they are creatures, just that they are.
And because they are lands, they aren't nonlands and aren't destroyed by Child.
Those will be fine for the reason stated: they are lands, and thus not nonlands. What matters here are the final characteristics, not the starting ones.
Lets start by examining dependencies:
a) March depends on Lattice, since the later changes what the former applies to, but only if there is another noncreature
artifactnonartifact under your control, which in this case is theSol RingMarch of the Machines itself as well as all normal lands (though there shouldn't be any due to them being creatures with 0 toughness as soon as both cards are on the field). Without that, there wouldn't be dependency between those two cards.b) Ashaya depends on March, since the later changes what the former applies to. The presence of Lattice makes that a certainty as it starts out as a noncreature artifact.
We'll keep those in mind as we go step by step applying the three effects.
1) We have three effects: Lattice, March, and Ashaya. Lattice is independent. March depends on Lattice, so cannot be first. Ashaya depends on March, so cannot be first either. Leaving Lattice as the first effect to apply. Every permanent is now also an artifact.
2) We have two remaining effects: March, and Ashaya. Ashaya still depends on March, so March goes next. Sol Ring, March, and Lattice are now artifact creatures.
3) One effect remains: Ashaya. We apply it and Sol Ring, Lattice, March, Animar, and Ashaya are now also lands.
With all those permanents being lands, Child of Alara's trigger does not destroy them.
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