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Long story short:
I am active player and I control Eidolon of the Great Revel. I pass priority
My opponent is at 1 life, he has an Ukkima, Stalking Shadow who is now a 4/4. He casts Culling the Weak sacrificing Ukkima, targetting me with its leave the battlefield trigger.
Question is: does he gain life before being dealt damage from Eidolon?
Whatever the answer is, could you please explain why?
Thank you!
I am active player and I control Eidolon of Great Revel. I pass priority
My opponent is at 1 life, he has an Ukkima Stalking Shadow who is now a 4/4. He casts Culling the Week sacrificing Ukkima, targetting me with its leave the battlefield trigger.
Question is: does he gain life before being dealt damage from Eidolon?
The sequence would look like this:
Your main phase begins.
You get priority and pass.
Opponent gets priority and casts Culling the Weak. Opponent pays the cost by spending B obtained in an unspecified way and sacrificing Ukkima with power=4; this triggers Ukkima's ability. The casting triggers the Eidolon's ability.
Opponent would get priority, but there are triggered abilities to put on the stack. A) You put "Whenever a player casts a spell with mana value 3 or less, Eidolon of the Great Revel deals 2 damage to that player." on the stack. B) Opponent puts "When Ukkima leaves the battlefield, it deals X damage to target player and you gain X life, where X is its power." on the stack, choosing you as the target and remembering that X=4.
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, the abilities are placed on the stack in a two-part process. First, each player, in APNAP order, puts each triggered ability they control with a trigger condition that isn’t another ability triggering on the stack in any order they choose. (See rule 101.4.) Second, each player, in APNAP order, puts all remaining triggered abilities they control on the stack in any order they choose. Then the game once again checks for and performs state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.
101.4. If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active player’s left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the “Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order” rule.
Opponent gets priority and passes.
You get priority and pass.
The top object on the stack (the ability put there in step 4B) resolves. Ukkima deals 4 damage to you and opponent gains 4 life (putting them at 5 life).
You get priority and pass.
Opponent gets priority and passes.
The top object on the stack (the ability put there in step 4A) resolves. Eidolon of the Great Revel deals 2 damage to opponent (putting them at 3 life).
You get priority and pass.
Opponent gets priority and passes.
The top object on the stack (the spell cast at step 3) resolves. Opponent adds BBBB. Culling the Weak goes to opponent's graveyard.
You get priority and ....
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Why bother with mere rulings when so many answers can be found in the Rules?
I wasn't 100% sure how the sacrificing an object that creates a triggered ability as part of a cost of a spell that also triggers an ability would work. But the fact it has to do with ordering triggers in APNAP order makes total sense.
Thank you
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Long story short:
I am active player and I control Eidolon of the Great Revel. I pass priority
My opponent is at 1 life, he has an Ukkima, Stalking Shadow who is now a 4/4. He casts Culling the Weak sacrificing Ukkima, targetting me with its leave the battlefield trigger.
Question is: does he gain life before being dealt damage from Eidolon?
Whatever the answer is, could you please explain why?
Thank you!
[c]Ukkima, Stalking Shadow[/c] -> Ukkima, Stalking Shadow
[c]Culling the Weak[/c] -> Culling the Weak
The sequence would look like this:
I wasn't 100% sure how the sacrificing an object that creates a triggered ability as part of a cost of a spell that also triggers an ability would work. But the fact it has to do with ordering triggers in APNAP order makes total sense.
Thank you