If a creature is enchanted by a replacement effect like Reprobation, will Protean Thaumaturge copy the replaced effects if chosen to copy the affected creature?
Is the rule different for something like Metamorphic Alteration which completely changes the enchanted creature.
For context, I'm trying to copy my opponent's Niv-Mizzet, Parun commander to make their infinite possibilities more finite if they get rid of Reprobation.
I read the rule that mentions copying the printed text, but the debate is that the altering enchantments take precedence.
Thank you!
If a creature is enchanted by a replacement effect like Reprobation, will Protean Thaumaturge copy the replaced effects if chosen to copy the affected creature?
It copies the printed card as always. For example, if the enchanted creature is a Putrid Goblin, it will still copy a 2/2 Zombie Goblin with Persist. Reprobation doesn't change this.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
Is the rule different for something like Metamorphic Alteration which completely changes the enchanted creature.
Yes, because that is a copy effect.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
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Is the rule different for something like Metamorphic Alteration which completely changes the enchanted creature.
For context, I'm trying to copy my opponent's Niv-Mizzet, Parun commander to make their infinite possibilities more finite if they get rid of Reprobation.
I read the rule that mentions copying the printed text, but the debate is that the altering enchantments take precedence.
Thank you!
Yes, because that is a copy effect.