When i regenerate a creature and it gets removed from combat, does it still do its damage during combat, or its removed before damage is assigned?
For example:
I attack with a cudgel troll, my daughter block with a serra angel (or some other 4/4 creature) both creatures die, except that i regenerate the troll.
So it taps ( if it weren't already tapped from attacking), the 4 damage the angel delt to it is removed, and the troll is removed from combat.
Does the angel still die?
Thanks for your help...
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When i regenerate a creature and it gets removed from combat, does it still do its damage during combat, or its removed before damage is assigned?
That depends: In the absence of that regeneration, when would it have been destroyed? The removal from combat is part of what replaces that event. If it would be destroyed prior to dealing combat damage (e.g., due to Lightning Bolt), it still doesn't get a chance to deal combat damage. If it would be destroyed as a result of combat damage received, it has already dealt its own combat damage by the time regeneration matters.
701.15. Regenerate
701.15a If the effect of a resolving spell or ability regenerates a permanent, it creates a replacement effect that protects the permanent the next time it would be destroyed this turn. In this case, “Regenerate [permanent]” means “The next time [permanent] would be destroyed this turn, instead remove all damage marked on it and tap it. If it’s an attacking or blocking creature, remove it from combat.”
For example:
I attack with a cudgel troll, my daughter block with a serra angel (or some other 4/4 creature) both creatures die, except that i regenerate the troll.
So it taps ( if it weren't already tapped from attacking), the 4 damage the angel delt to it is removed, and the troll is removed from combat.
Does the angel still die?
Thanks for your help...
Your combat phase begins. Beginning of combat step begins.
You get priority and pass.
Your daughter gets priority and passes.
Beginning of combat step ends.
Declare attackers step begins. You declare Cudgel Troll as an attacker and tap it.
You get priority and pass.
Your daughter gets priority and passes.
Declare attackers step ends.
Declare blockers step begins. Your daughter declares Serra Angel as a blocker for Cudgel Troll
You get priority and activate the "G: Regenerate Cudgel Troll." ability of Cudgel Troll. You pay the cost using G obtained in an unspecified way.
You get priority and pass.
Your daughter gets priority and passes.
The top object on the stack (the ability activated in step 10) resolves. "The next time Cudgel Troll would be destroyed this turn, instead remove all damage marked on it and tap it. If it’s an attacking or blocking creature, remove it from combat." This won't happen until step 19.
You get priority and pass.
Your daughter gets priority and passes.
Declare blockers step end.
Combat damage step begins. Cudgel Troll assigns 4 damage to Serra Angel. Serra Angel assigns 4 damage to Cudgel Troll.
Cudgel Troll deals 4 damage to Serra Angel. Serra Angel deals 4 damage to Cudgel Troll.
You would get priority, but there are state-based actions to perform. Cudgel Troll has lethal damage and is destroyed all damage is removed from it and it's removed from combat. Serra Angel has lethal damage and is destroyed.
You get priority and ....
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Yes.
Since you actually told us that Angel dealt 4 damage to Troll, we know that combat damage has been dealt (and that no other random card was implicated).
Troll received 4 damage, and then regenerated
At the same time, Angel received 4 damage, and then died.
Both the regeneration and Angel's death are caused by the damage; the removal from combat cannot happen before damage!
Also note, as Argus has outlined in his post, that you have to activate the regeneration ability before the creature would get destroyed, so in the declare blockers step at the latest. In order for regeneration to occur, the regeneration "shield" has to be present at the time the destruction would happen. And for that, the regeneration ability has to resolve before the destruction event happens.
For example:
I attack with a cudgel troll, my daughter block with a serra angel (or some other 4/4 creature) both creatures die, except that i regenerate the troll.
So it taps ( if it weren't already tapped from attacking), the 4 damage the angel delt to it is removed, and the troll is removed from combat.
Does the angel still die?
Thanks for your help...
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That depends: In the absence of that regeneration, when would it have been destroyed? The removal from combat is part of what replaces that event. If it would be destroyed prior to dealing combat damage (e.g., due to Lightning Bolt), it still doesn't get a chance to deal combat damage. If it would be destroyed as a result of combat damage received, it has already dealt its own combat damage by the time regeneration matters.
is destroyedall damage is removed from it and it's removed from combat. Serra Angel has lethal damage and is destroyed.Since you actually told us that Angel dealt 4 damage to Troll, we know that combat damage has been dealt (and that no other random card was implicated).
Troll received 4 damage, and then regenerated
At the same time, Angel received 4 damage, and then died.
Both the regeneration and Angel's death are caused by the damage; the removal from combat cannot happen before damage!
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