If I lose the game, and Lich's Mirror's trigger goes onto the stack, can I use Teferi's Protection in response to phase out my permanents so they don't get shuffled due to Lich's Mirror?
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Lich's Mirror does not have a triggered ability, but a static one that creates a replacement effect. Its effect happens instead of you losing the game, whenever during the game that is, even during the resolution of a spell or ability. Using Teferi's Protection in response to a spell/ability that will make you lose when it resolves, or before combat damage is dealt, will cause the Mirror to be phased out at the time its ability would apply, so there's no Mirror ability to be applied and you lose. If you'd lose due to having 0 or less life, then Teferi's Protection has that covered already and the Mirror couldn't even apply as there is no "you lose" event to replace.
If you'd lose due to having 0 or less life, then Teferi's Protection has that covered already and the Mirror couldn't even apply as there is no "you lose" event to replace.
Teferi's Protection doesn't actually protect you from having 0 or less life. This can be relevant in a number of scenarios most notably if you have a card like Phyrexian Unlife in play and are at 0 or less life. In such a scenario casting Teferi's protection will cause you to lose the game.
I was looking through my old posts, and would like to revisit this idea. Is there any way you know where I can get the Lich's Mirror replacement, but keep my permanents?
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I was looking through my old posts, and would like to revisit this idea. Is there any way you know where I can get the Lich's Mirror replacement, but keep my permanents?
The effect of Lich's Mirror has you shuffle only "your hand, your graveyard, and all permanents you own" into your library. Permanents you control but don't own are not shuffled this way, and this includes tokens you didn't create (C.R. 111.2).
So, a theft deck... I was thinking along the lines of mass flicker effects, or mass jail cards like Lumbering Battlement where the jail card would get shuffled, but not what's under it. If I'm thinking correctly the "leaves the battlefield" trigger would go on the stack right after resolving Lich's Mirror.
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So, a theft deck... I was thinking along the lines of mass flicker effects, or mass jail cards like Lumbering Battlement where the jail card would get shuffled, but not what's under it. If I'm thinking correctly the "leaves the battlefield" trigger would go on the stack right after resolving Lich's Mirror.
With Lich's Mirror, you don't shuffle any cards you own in exile into your library, even if they were exiled with a permanent you own.
Assume no permanents are phased out. If you own and control Lumbering Battlement and Lich's Mirror and would lose the game, instead—
you shuffle your hand, your graveyard, and all permanents you own (including Lumbering Battlement and Lich's Mirror) into your library, then
"immediately after" that, the cards exiled with Lumbering Battlement return to the battlefield under their owners' control (C.R. 610.3, 610.3c), then
you draw seven cards, then
your life total becomes 20.
Any ability that triggers in the process will go on the stack after the process completes — more specifically, the next time a player would get priority (C.R. 603.3).
Very interesting, so theft, phasing, and exile get around the Lich's Mirror downside... I might try for a "you can't kill me" commander deck with several set-ups that make it a sort of puzzle to solve. lol Then put cards like Darksteel Reactor in it to where there's a literal timer. "If you can't figure out how to kill me before turn X I win."
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If I lose the game, and Lich's Mirror's trigger goes onto the stack, can I use Teferi's Protection in response to phase out my permanents so they don't get shuffled due to Lich's Mirror?
Yeah, that's my fault...
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Assume no permanents are phased out. If you own and control Lumbering Battlement and Lich's Mirror and would lose the game, instead—
Any ability that triggers in the process will go on the stack after the process completes — more specifically, the next time a player would get priority (C.R. 603.3).
See C.R. 608.2f and see also this thread. Note, however, that Lumbering Battlement doesn't have a leaves-the-battlefield triggered ability (compare with Oblivion Ring; Yorion, Sky Nomad; and Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang) (C.R. 603.6c; review C.R. 603.1, 603.7).
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