My friends came across the following scenario the other day:
Enter combat. Wasitora, Nekoru Queen attacks. Obelisk Spider blocks (it is the defending player's only creature). Combat damage happens. The attacking player wants Wasitora, Nekoru Queen to kill the Obelisk Spider and deal 1 trampling damage to the defending player; conversely, the defending player wants to put a -1-1 counter Wasitora, Nekoru Queen thus preventing the 1 trampling damage from being dealt (although still losing their creature to the lethal damage being dealt to it). So what happens "first"? Who ends up getting what they want? Please quote some rules if you can. Thanks for everything. You're the best.
Combat damage is dealt, after being assigned, at the same time.(CR 510.2) Since this is true, the Wasitora must have dealt its damage by the time Obelisk Spider has dealt its damage. Therefore, Wasitora dealt its damage before the triggered ability might possibly put a -1/-1 counter on it.
510. Combat Damage Step
510.1. First, the active player announces how each attacking creature assigns its combat damage, then the defending player announces how each blocking creature assigns its combat damage. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack. A player assigns a creature’s combat damage according to the following rules:
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510.2. Second, all combat damage that’s been assigned is dealt simultaneously. <...>
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Both Wasitora and the Spider have combat damage triggers. Meaning they both trigger at the same time. So Wasitora's ability will be on the stack when it gets the-1/-1 counter. We don't go back and undue the damage that was dealt because the creature is smaller now. So Wasitora's trigger resolves and you get a cat.
This player is too hasty; they'll need to wait AFTER damage has been dealt before placing a -1/-1 counter on damaged attacking dragon.
The spider's ability (and the cat's, for that matter) are called TRIGGERED abilities. This kind of ability works a little differently than the way their wording would suggest: there is a delay, before the ability actually gets to enact its effect; this delay is not readily obvious from the way the text is written.
So, in Magic-speach, "Whenever Obelisk Spider deals combat damage..." actually means "A short moment after Spider has dealt its combat damage..."
Have a peek at rule 603 for details.
603.2. Whenever a game event or game state matches a triggered ability’s trigger event, that ability automatically triggers. The ability doesn’t do anything at this point.
My friends came across the following scenario the other day:
Enter combat. Wasitora, Nekoru Queen attacks. Obelisk Spider blocks (it is the defending player's only creature). Combat damage happens. The attacking player wants Wasitora, Nekoru Queen to kill the Obelisk Spider and deal 1 trampling damage to the defending player; conversely, the defending player wants to put a -1-1 counter Wasitora, Nekoru Queen thus preventing the 1 trampling damage from being dealt (although still losing their creature to the lethal damage being dealt to it). So what happens "first"? Who ends up getting what they want? Please quote some rules if you can. Thanks for everything. You're the best.
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510.1. First, the active player announces how each attacking creature assigns its combat damage, then the defending player announces how each blocking creature assigns its combat damage. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack. A player assigns a creature’s combat damage according to the following rules:
<...>
510.2. Second, all combat damage that’s been assigned is dealt simultaneously. <...>
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The spider's ability (and the cat's, for that matter) are called TRIGGERED abilities. This kind of ability works a little differently than the way their wording would suggest: there is a delay, before the ability actually gets to enact its effect; this delay is not readily obvious from the way the text is written.
So, in Magic-speach,
"Whenever Obelisk Spider deals combat damage..."
actually means
"A short moment after Spider has dealt its combat damage..."
Have a peek at rule 603 for details.
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